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Post by AQUA KEN! on Feb 16, 2021 22:38:22 GMT 1
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Feb 16, 2021 22:55:11 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 23:38:47 GMT 1
Good show, old chum
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 0:33:26 GMT 1
Man, this guy REALLY hates the McU!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 0:47:02 GMT 1
Man, this guy REALLY hates the McU! I was expecting that, too, but this time he barely mentions superhero films. He seems to be angry about "content" no longer being a reserved business term for films only, but all motion-picture content, like TV. I get the impression this guy would rather TV retained its old "No storylines, every episode retains the status quo the series is known for, few cast changes and set changes" format they used to abide by before the implementation of storylines and frequent cast and other changes based on those storylines.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Feb 17, 2021 20:56:06 GMT 1
Popeye pointed this out on v2. But THE IRISHMAN was a Netflix film and it did still very well. Hell his next movie is happening because a streamer was willing to fork over a shitton of money for him to direct it. Seems like he's biting the hand that's feeding him.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Feb 17, 2021 21:58:00 GMT 1
This is a much more measured take. I agree with this much more than last time. I've wanted to agree with him for a while, but he lost me when he made the MCU the target of his examples. The MCU did things very well, better than the sum of all of its parts because of how it played out onscreen. Even Scorsese admitted at the time that it's a new artform. It plays out like onscreen chapters of a graphic novel, booked (and adapted) years in advance with character arcs spanning several films.
My opinion is that it didn't seem to bother Scorsese and other directors when superhero movies were being superhero films; it was when they tried to be something more that Scorsese said whoa, it's fine but it's not art. I mean, it's art but it's not 'art art'. That's where he lost me. His criticism is with the studios, and while they are the same studios that fork out money for franchises, they also fork out money for films that job in place and shoot for the middle. Serenity is my go-to example (not the Firefly movie). Serenity stars Anne Hathaway and Matthew Mcconaughey, two Oscar winners in a film about nothing. It's worse than that because it's not a bad movie, it shoots right for the middle and that's worse.
It's hard to let the MCU comments go, not just for the movies themselves but for the gatekeeping. A couple of years ago, an anonymous academy member said they would never vote a superhero film for best picture. It's just so close-minded. The last two years, superhero films were nominated for best picture and the lead of one of them won best actor. In 2000, it was probably inconcievable that a Kung Fu film would be nominated for best picture, then came along Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I mean, can you imagine some academy member boasting they would never vote for a woman for best picture? It's the same prejudice, it clings on to a bygone era's art while cutting its throat in the present. Anybody seen The Night Porter (1974)?
Art moves society forward. It challenges norms and gives visual aid to unusual perspectives, including comic book stuffs. Art will always grow and the need for it will never die. Scorsese is an ally of art and that's good enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 22:10:04 GMT 1
Omg I love Scorsese and tons of his movies but he seriously needs to get over himself. There is room for all kinds of movies and storytelling. It should not be an us vs them mentality. A great story is a great story no matter the genre. There is plenty of room for "art" and plain old entertainment. He acts as if people can not appreciate both. Apparently plenty of serious Oscar/nominated actors do not think being in a comic book based movie is beneath them. Someone should tell Martin its OK to let lose sometimes and just have fun. Art will still be made despite it.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Feb 17, 2021 22:21:11 GMT 1
Um. I agree with him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 23:30:37 GMT 1
So do I. 100%. Before clicking the article I thought it was going to be Superhero bashing. But I agree with everything he says here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 23:41:55 GMT 1
So do I. 100%. Before clicking the article I thought it was going to be Superhero bashing. But I agree with everything he says here. He is basically saying people are too stupid to search out differant movies and are relying on what is suggested. Sorry but how can anyone agree with that? I can promise you most people are not afraid to go out of their comfort zone and seek out more than pop corn flicks. They dont need Netflix or any other service to suggest anything. Having said that,how many people would know about other countries cinema if they did not get a little nudge from the streaming companies? Anything you could want is right there. He sounds seriously out of touch. P.S. I value everyones opinion so please don't kill me lol I just feel strongly about devaluing anyones hard work weather you consider it "art" or not. Of course there are exceptions where we can agree if something is crap and defiantly not art.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Feb 18, 2021 0:29:41 GMT 1
So do I. 100%. Before clicking the article I thought it was going to be Superhero bashing. But I agree with everything he says here. He is basically saying people are too stupid to search out differant movies and are relying on what is suggested. Sorry but how can anyone agree with that? I can promise you most people are not afraid to go out of their comfort zone and seek out more than pop corn flicks. They dont need Netflix or any other service to suggest anything. Having said that,how many people would know about other countries cinema if they did not get a little nudge from the streaming companies? Anything you could want is right there. He sounds seriously out of touch. P.S. I value everyones opinion so please don't kill me lol I just feel strongly about devaluing anyones hard work weather you consider it "art" or not. Of course there are exceptions where we can agree if something is crap and defiantly not art. That was what I had the hardest time getting last time, this idea that there's a difference between watching 8 1/2 one night and Deadpool the next.
I feel fairly strongly about devaluing other people's work too. I agreed with the directors who shot back and defended their craft, half of whom were probably inspired by someone like Scorsese to get in the game. If the Thor movies are good enough for Anthony Hopkins to roll up his sleeves and whip Asgard into shape, who's anybody to judge? All movies have that in common at least. A role is a role is a role.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 0:32:30 GMT 1
So do I. 100%. Before clicking the article I thought it was going to be Superhero bashing. But I agree with everything he says here. He is basically saying people are too stupid to search out differant movies and are relying on what is suggested. Sorry but how can anyone agree with that? I can promise you most people are not afraid to go out of their comfort zone and seek out more than pop corn flicks. They dont need Netflix or any other service to suggest anything. Having said that,how many people would know about other countries cinema if they did not get a little nudge from the streaming companies? Anything you could want is right there. He sounds seriously out of touch. P.S. I value everyones opinion so please don't kill me lol I just feel strongly about devaluing anyones hard work weather you consider it "art" or not. Of course there are exceptions where we can agree if something is crap and defiantly not art. Yep. I hated this argument when it was used on the original IMDb whenever I came across someone who couldn't stand that my preferences lean towards popcorn flicks, and I hate this argument now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 0:33:18 GMT 1
He is basically saying people are too stupid to search out differant movies and are relying on what is suggested. Sorry but how can anyone agree with that? I can promise you most people are not afraid to go out of their comfort zone and seek out more than pop corn flicks. They dont need Netflix or any other service to suggest anything. Having said that,how many people would know about other countries cinema if they did not get a little nudge from the streaming companies? Anything you could want is right there. He sounds seriously out of touch. P.S. I value everyones opinion so please don't kill me lol I just feel strongly about devaluing anyones hard work weather you consider it "art" or not. Of course there are exceptions where we can agree if something is crap and defiantly not art. That was what I had the hardest time getting last time, this idea that there's a difference between watching 8 1/2 one night and Deadpool the next.
I feel fairly strongly about devaluing other people's work too. I agreed with the directors who shot back and defended their craft, half of whom were probably inspired by someone like Scorsese to get in the game. If the Thor movies are good enough for Anthony Hopkins to roll up his sleeves and whip Asgard into shape, who's anybody to judge? All movies have that in common at least. A role is a role is a role.
it is also disregarding up and coming movie makers who are trying to make thought provoking movies. You just have to look. Small budget or indie does not necessarily mean bad. You can find some gems. I just think his energy would be better spent nurturing directors like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 0:41:34 GMT 1
That was what I had the hardest time getting last time, this idea that there's a difference between watching 8 1/2 one night and Deadpool the next.
I feel fairly strongly about devaluing other people's work too. I agreed with the directors who shot back and defended their craft, half of whom were probably inspired by someone like Scorsese to get in the game. If the Thor movies are good enough for Anthony Hopkins to roll up his sleeves and whip Asgard into shape, who's anybody to judge? All movies have that in common at least. A role is a role is a role.
it is also disregarding up and coming movie makers who are trying to make thought provoking movies. You just have to look. Small budget or indie does not necessarily mean bad. You can find some gems. I just think his energy would be better spent nurturing directors like that. I know I find a lot of interesting personal projects made on people's wallet money on YouTube all the time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 0:46:49 GMT 1
it is also disregarding up and coming movie makers who are trying to make thought provoking movies. You just have to look. Small budget or indie does not necessarily mean bad. You can find some gems. I just think his energy would be better spent nurturing directors like that. I know I find a lot of interesting personal projects made on people's wallet money on YouTube all the time. I have seen a lot of short films on youtube and thought this could easily be a great feature film. The talent is out there they just need someone to take a chance on them instead of bitching there is no quality work anymore. We as movie goers are also starving for new talent and ideas instead of remakes and reboots.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 0:49:33 GMT 1
I know I find a lot of interesting personal projects made on people's wallet money on YouTube all the time. I have seen a lot of short films on youtube and thought this could easily be a great feature film. The talent is out there they just need someone to take a chance on them instead of bitching there is no quality work anymore. Some have. The horror film director, as well as director of Shazam!, David F. Sangberg for discovered because of his short YouTube film Lights Out, which then got a full-length movie. Not too terribly many, but it is starting to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 0:52:47 GMT 1
I have seen a lot of short films on youtube and thought this could easily be a great feature film. The talent is out there they just need someone to take a chance on them instead of bitching there is no quality work anymore. Some have. The horror film director, as well as director of Shazam!, David F. Sangberg for discovered because of his short YouTube film Lights Out, which then got a full-length movie. Not too terribly many, but it is starting to happen. Yup and I saw the short first before there was ever a movie. Are you familiar with the Dust channel of sci fi shorts as well as other genres? There is a wealth of ideas right there. Really good sci fi and horror are few and far between.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 1:01:17 GMT 1
Some have. The horror film director, as well as director of Shazam!, David F. Sangberg for discovered because of his short YouTube film Lights Out, which then got a full-length movie. Not too terribly many, but it is starting to happen. Yup and I saw the short first before there was ever a movie. Are you familiar with the Dust channel of sci fi shorts as well as other genres? There is a wealth of ideas right there. Really good sci fi and horror are few and far between. Not for a while, but I am familiar with it. It is a pretty good channel, though, isn't it? That said, I think Scorsese really doesn't want to let go of the past where it was always Film >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else, except maybe books.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 1:04:12 GMT 1
Yup and I saw the short first before there was ever a movie. Are you familiar with the Dust channel of sci fi shorts as well as other genres? There is a wealth of ideas right there. Really good sci fi and horror are few and far between. Not for a while, but I am familiar with it. It is a pretty good channel, though, isn't it? That said, I think Scorsese really doesn't want to let go of the past where it was always Film >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else, except maybe books. 👍👍👍👍
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 1:44:04 GMT 1
So do I. 100%. Before clicking the article I thought it was going to be Superhero bashing. But I agree with everything he says here. He is basically saying people are too stupid to search out differant movies and are relying on what is suggested. Sorry but how can anyone agree with that? I can promise you most people are not afraid to go out of their comfort zone and seek out more than pop corn flicks. They dont need Netflix or any other service to suggest anything. Having said that,how many people would know about other countries cinema if they did not get a little nudge from the streaming companies? Anything you could want is right there. He sounds seriously out of touch. P.S. I value everyones opinion so please don't kill me lol I just feel strongly about devaluing anyones hard work weather you consider it "art" or not. Of course there are exceptions where we can agree if something is crap and defiantly not art. Honestly, most people are that stupid. But he makes lots of other great points. I do absolutely think that the golden age of television (Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Game of Thrones) is slowly dying because of streeeeeeaaaaming services. Long running tv shows are being replaced with flash in the pan, cancel it after two seasons, binge watch shows that no one cares about after they stop trending. And quality large budget landmark movies could soon become extinct. Streeeeeaming is the McDonaldification of television and film.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 2:03:06 GMT 1
He is basically saying people are too stupid to search out differant movies and are relying on what is suggested. Sorry but how can anyone agree with that? I can promise you most people are not afraid to go out of their comfort zone and seek out more than pop corn flicks. They dont need Netflix or any other service to suggest anything. Having said that,how many people would know about other countries cinema if they did not get a little nudge from the streaming companies? Anything you could want is right there. He sounds seriously out of touch. P.S. I value everyones opinion so please don't kill me lol I just feel strongly about devaluing anyones hard work weather you consider it "art" or not. Of course there are exceptions where we can agree if something is crap and defiantly not art. Honestly, most people are that stupid. And I do absolutely think that the golden age of television (Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Game of Thrones) is slowly dying because of streeeeeeaaaaming services. It’s the McDonaldification of television. You realize all the channels those shows are on you can stream on their apps. Every company is streaming now. There are still good shows. Streaming just means no annoying commercials and more choices. A lot of people rely on streaming because more and more people are cutting the cable. The prices are outrageous for cable. I don't understand how streaming now equals bad. Not like we can go to movies like before. The real problem is people eating up anything. Quantity over quality. Even so there are still great stories to be told no matter what the platform is to telling them. The world did not end when movies gave way to TV gave way to VHS to DVD and now to streaming. As long as their are people willing to tell great stories there will be something for everyone on the small or big screen.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 2:06:13 GMT 1
Honestly, most people are that stupid. And I do absolutely think that the golden age of television (Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Game of Thrones) is slowly dying because of streeeeeeaaaaming services. It’s the McDonaldification of television. You realize all the channels those shows are on you can stream on their apps. Every company is streaming now. There are still good shows. Streaming just means no annoying commercials and more choices. A lot of people rely on streaming because more and more people are cutting the cable. The prices are outrageous for cable. I don't understand how streaming now equals bad. Not like we can go to movies like before. The real problem is people eating up anything. Quantity over quality. Even so there are still great stories to be told no matter what the platform is to telling them. The world did not end when movies gave way to TV gave way to VHS to DVD and now to streaming. As long as their are people willing to tell great stories there will be something for everyone on the small or big screen. Oh.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 2:10:58 GMT 1
He is basically saying people are too stupid to search out differant movies and are relying on what is suggested. Sorry but how can anyone agree with that? I can promise you most people are not afraid to go out of their comfort zone and seek out more than pop corn flicks. They dont need Netflix or any other service to suggest anything. Having said that,how many people would know about other countries cinema if they did not get a little nudge from the streaming companies? Anything you could want is right there. He sounds seriously out of touch. P.S. I value everyones opinion so please don't kill me lol I just feel strongly about devaluing anyones hard work weather you consider it "art" or not. Of course there are exceptions where we can agree if something is crap and defiantly not art. Honestly, most people are that stupid. But he makes lots of other great points. I do absolutely think that the golden age of television (Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Game of Thrones) is slowly dying because of streeeeeeaaaaming services. Long running tv shows are being replaced with flash in the pan, cancel it after two seasons, binge watch shows that no one cares about after they stop trending. And quality large budget landmark movies could soon become extinct. Streeeeeaming is the McDonaldification of television and film. I'm pretty sure those shows are a part of what Scorsese hates about the current atmosphere. I really got a "all other forms of media need to stay in their lane" feeling from his words.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 2:16:38 GMT 1
You realize all the channels those shows are on you can stream on their apps. Every company is streaming now. There are still good shows. Streaming just means no annoying commercials and more choices. A lot of people rely on streaming because more and more people are cutting the cable. The prices are outrageous for cable. I don't understand how streaming now equals bad. Not like we can go to movies like before. The real problem is people eating up anything. Quantity over quality. Even so there are still great stories to be told no matter what the platform is to telling them. The world did not end when movies gave way to TV gave way to VHS to DVD and now to streaming. As long as their are people willing to tell great stories there will be something for everyone on the small or big screen. Oh. Umm...I really really like you all 😁
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 2:19:39 GMT 1
Honestly, most people are that stupid. But he makes lots of other great points. I do absolutely think that the golden age of television (Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Game of Thrones) is slowly dying because of streeeeeeaaaaming services. Long running tv shows are being replaced with flash in the pan, cancel it after two seasons, binge watch shows that no one cares about after they stop trending. And quality large budget landmark movies could soon become extinct. Streeeeeaming is the McDonaldification of television and film. I'm pretty sure those shows are a part of what Scorsese hates about the current atmosphere. I really got a "all other forms of media need to stay in their lane" feeling from his words. Yet he wasn't too bothered that his movie The Irishman was on a streaming service 🙄 lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 2:22:19 GMT 1
I'm pretty sure those shows are a part of what Scorsese hates about the current atmosphere. I really got a "all other forms of media need to stay in their lane" feeling from his words. Yet he wasn't too bothered that his movie The Irishman was on a streaming service 🙄 lol That, or his publicist convinced him that griping about his film ending up on Streaming wouldn't be a good look. I consider both possibilities equally ikely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 2:25:18 GMT 1
Yet he wasn't too bothered that his movie The Irishman was on a streaming service 🙄 lol That, or his publicist convinced him that griping about his film ending up on Streaming wouldn't be a good look. I consider both possibilities equally ikely. Bless him not embracing the times 😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 2:28:21 GMT 1
That, or his publicist convinced him that griping about his film ending up on Streaming wouldn't be a good look. I consider both possibilities equally ikely. Bless him not embracing the times 😂 That said, I do have my own issues with the focus on Streaming. But I don't know how this will turn out. A lot of people are fighting to keep the theaters open and keep benchmark movies in theaters, so I'm a lot more optimistic than Our Dear Ackbar.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 2:38:07 GMT 1
Bless him not embracing the times 😂 That said, I do have my own issues with the focus on Streaming. But I don't know how this will turn out. A lot of people are fighting to keep the theaters open and keep benchmark movies in theaters, so I'm a lot more optimistic than Our Dear Ackbar. The virus put a hit on all entertainment. Like it or not streaming is the only option right now. Like you I don't want the theaters shut down. Some movies are meant to be seen on the big screens. I would mourn if we lost that. I grew up in a magical time IMHO and watching movies on the big screen was a large part of my youth.
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