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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 5:31:54 GMT 1
What has your experience been like in general? Any horror stories? Valuable lessons learned?
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 27, 2021 8:42:22 GMT 1
Its the worst.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jan 27, 2021 18:39:06 GMT 1
What has your experience been like in general? Any horror stories? Valuable lessons learned? I just storm the bosses office if things don't go my way.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 27, 2021 19:39:17 GMT 1
I never discuss politics at work. It's the quickest way to turn your livelihood into a living hell.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 13:59:38 GMT 1
I never discuss politics at work. It's the quickest way to turn your livelihood into a living hell. Just to clarify-are you talking actual left/right-wing politics? Or the other kind?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 14:02:23 GMT 1
It is. Although thankfully nothing that bad has happened to me yet. There have been issues with family members and their work
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 28, 2021 14:39:10 GMT 1
It is. Although thankfully nothing that bad has happened to me yet. There have been issues with family members and their work With my old job it was always the same. Friends of management could get away with everything and some people were always the ones to blame.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 28, 2021 15:49:09 GMT 1
I never discuss politics at work. It's the quickest way to turn your livelihood into a living hell. Just to clarify-are you talking actual left/right-wing politics? Or the other kind? Is there another kind?
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jan 28, 2021 17:40:29 GMT 1
I worked with some people who believe in QAnon. It was not fun...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 28, 2021 18:08:32 GMT 1
What has your experience been like in general? Any horror stories? Valuable lessons learned? If you're referring to the politics of the workplace, I usually am pretty good at ignoring that stuff - unless it's to my advantage for advancement.Getting a good result usually speaks for itself, and that's what I focus on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 20:30:26 GMT 1
I thought this topic was going to be about in-house politics of the workplace, but after reading through, I'm not so sure now. But I'll stick to that, anyway, because I don't ask what side my coworkers fall on in the politic spectrum.
I'm never the guy that's in the "popular kid" in-crowd at work, but I'm also the guy who'll defiantly sit at their table just to annoy them with my presence, because you can't tell someone to leave if they're just minding their own business in polite, adult society. So yeah, I'm always the outlier in office politics.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jan 28, 2021 20:39:51 GMT 1
I thought this topic was going to be about in-house politics of the workplace, but after reading through, I'm not so sure now. But I'll stick to that, anyway, because I don't ask what side my coworkers fall on in the politic spectrum. I'm never the guy that's in the "popular kid" in-crowd at work, but I'm also the guy who'll defiantly sit at their table just to annoy them with my presence, because you can't tell someone to leave if they're just minding their own business in polite, adult society. So yeah, I'm always the outlier in office politics. I think that is what he meant, until we started messing with him. And to answer the original question, I am capable of "getting along with anyone"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2021 21:04:11 GMT 1
I thought this topic was going to be about in-house politics of the workplace, but after reading through, I'm not so sure now. But I'll stick to that, anyway, because I don't ask what side my coworkers fall on in the politic spectrum. I'm never the guy that's in the "popular kid" in-crowd at work, but I'm also the guy who'll defiantly sit at their table just to annoy them with my presence, because you can't tell someone to leave if they're just minding their own business in polite, adult society. So yeah, I'm always the outlier in office politics. I think that is what he meant, until we started messing with him. And to answer the original question, I am capable of "getting along with anyone" I'm generally fine with my coworkers, too, on a functional level. I'm just not the guy who'll get a promotion for being in good with the right people.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 28, 2021 21:16:30 GMT 1
Im not good at the politics bit. I tend to speak my mind to anyone. Including management. That has gotten me in trouble a lot over the years. On the other hand people do know what they get. I will not go behind your back. In fact, I usually got your back.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jan 28, 2021 21:53:20 GMT 1
It's hard. Working in restaurants and kitchens is the only professional experience I have (besides working elections, once). Every workplace is its own private game of thrones. My advice, my only advice short of playing along and cutting throats, is to insulate yourself by doing a good job. Redundant though it may seem, I really think doing the best possible job is the best kind of job security, at least in that environment. Politics come and go; restaurants are filled with people who can't (or won't) make it elsewhere, and I've seen a lot of people do their "who's coming with me?" speech from Half-Baked just to find nobody's moving. Life goes on.
My understanding (generally) is when you do a good job, i.e. doing the job well AND gelling well with the staff, you'll always be valuable. Don't make yourself into a slave or anything, but you never know when somebody you 'taught' a lesson might be promoted ahead of you. When cooks (and whomever) get promoted, first thing on the agenda is make change. Show that your promotion actually does make a different and the first step is usually saving money. If you're the dude who can work multiple stations, surprise, you'll be among the last to be sent home. It's a nasty reality but it's a restaurant reality: the more people's jobs you can do, the more you'll stay on the clock while others are sent home to save money.
I'm lead by example type. In some ways, I feel like I survive on good behavior. I've never considered myself a kitchen natural, but I've seen people rage quit over things that make me laugh. The toughest people can become soft in a matter of seconds. The hardest people aren't the ones who yell the loudest, they're the quiet ones who can endure anything because their passion is providing for their family. It's like pro-wrestling, some people define their greatness by winning scripted matches and others are fine just working.
I have seen some pretty ugly and bad stuff, on occasion. My first restaurant, we all endured the spectacle of the chef firing his own business-partner's son. That's just another part of politics. Man can't defend his son or else it looks like favoritism, conflict of interest.
Interesting thing is there's all sorts of policy and internal rules to nail you, so doing a good job helps management decide who to punish. On many occasions, I've given a little extra food to servers because they were hungry. I'm me so it flies. A friend of mine, he was suspended for 10 shifts for giving a server a little bowl of mash potatoes. The difference is night and day; they wanted him gone so they maneuvered him into wanting to leave using the fine print.
Do like Captain America. Compromise when you can, and when you can't, don't.
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Post by primemcgee on Jan 28, 2021 23:19:57 GMT 1
The only trouble i had was when I was visiting a guy about a job--my boss at the time took me to this guy. And he said he thinks people work better at night, and he said he had a theory about why, and he said to me "radio waves. They shut tv and radio stuff off at night and it makes people think more clearly."
And I smiled and he said very paranoid-like "why are you smiling?"
I started to stutter and had to think quick so I said: "oh yeah I heard about Project HAARP and all that so yeah, no I understand."
He calmed down, and after I left, I said to thew boss: "why did you take me to this guy if he was going to say that?"
and he said: "I didnt know he was going to say that!"
The guy did warn me privately that my boss was the type of asshole he had to deal with often and he was right about that. He was an asshole. When Bob the boss died, someone I knew said she had to deal with his son-in-law and said to him "I'm sorry about your loss...."
I burst out laughing, and then she started to laugh too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 0:10:19 GMT 1
It's hard. Working in restaurants and kitchens is the only professional experience I have (besides working elections, once). Every workplace is its own private game of thrones. My advice, my only advice short of playing along and cutting throats, is to insulate yourself by doing a good job. Redundant though it may seem, I really think doing the best possible job is the best kind of job security, at least in that environment. Politics come and go; restaurants are filled with people who can't (or won't) make it elsewhere, and I've seen a lot of people do their "who's coming with me?" speech from Half-Baked just to find nobody's moving. Life goes on.
My understanding (generally) is when you do a good job, i.e. doing the job well AND gelling well with the staff, you'll always be valuable. Don't make yourself into a slave or anything, but you never know when somebody you 'taught' a lesson might be promoted ahead of you. When cooks (and whomever) get promoted, first thing on the agenda is make change. Show that your promotion actually does make a different and the first step is usually saving money. If you're the dude who can work multiple stations, surprise, you'll be among the last to be sent home. It's a nasty reality but it's a restaurant reality: the more people's jobs you can do, the more you'll stay on the clock while others are sent home to save money.
I'm lead by example type. In some ways, I feel like I survive on good behavior. I've never considered myself a kitchen natural, but I've seen people rage quit over things that make me laugh. The toughest people can become soft in a matter of seconds. The hardest people aren't the ones who yell the loudest, they're the quiet ones who can endure anything because their passion is providing for their family. It's like pro-wrestling, some people define their greatness by winning scripted matches and others are fine just working.
I have seen some pretty ugly and bad stuff, on occasion. My first restaurant, we all endured the spectacle of the chef firing his own business-partner's son. That's just another part of politics. Man can't defend his son or else it looks like favoritism, conflict of interest.
Interesting thing is there's all sorts of policy and internal rules to nail you, so doing a good job helps management decide who to punish. On many occasions, I've given a little extra food to servers because they were hungry. I'm me so it flies. A friend of mine, he was suspended for 10 shifts for giving a server a little bowl of mash potatoes. The difference is night and day; they wanted him gone so they maneuvered him into wanting to leave using the fine print.
Do like Captain America. Compromise when you can, and when you can't, don't.
As Im in the same biz atm, I just cant relate to that. The constant bitching. This customer did this, did that. It's like theyre acting it's a whole new experience, as if they just started the job. It's customer service after all, the biz that we're in. Also dont get the stress, you do the same thing everyday and it aint exactly hard. Then I realised a few of us are smokers-withdrawal symptoms between puffs lol Yeah theres one guy who's the head chef. Booming voice but kinda agitated all the time. Also a smoker lol The venue manager, she knows her stuff but she doesnt really run the place well. There are managers and then there are leaders. Just mind-boggling that she's so hands-on too
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 0:11:51 GMT 1
The only trouble i had was when I was visiting a guy about a job--my boss at the time took me to this guy. And he said he thinks people work better at night, and he said he had a theory about why, and he said to me "radio waves. They shut tv and radio stuff off at night and it makes people think more clearly." And I smiled and he said very paranoid-like "why are you smiling?" I started to stutter and had to think quick so I said: "oh yeah I heard about Project HAARP and all that so yeah, no I understand." He calmed down, and after I left, I said to thew boss: "why did you take me to this guy if he was going to say that?" and he said: "I didnt know he was going to say that!" The guy did warn me privately that my boss was the type of asshole he had to deal with often and he was right about that. He was an asshole. When Bob the boss died, someone I knew said she had to deal with his son-in-law and said to him "I'm sorry about your loss...." I burst out laughing, and then she started to laugh too. Haha pieces of work everywhere. Makes you all warm and fuzzy inside
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 0:14:09 GMT 1
Im not good at the politics bit. I tend to speak my mind to anyone. Including management. That has gotten me in trouble a lot over the years. On the other hand people do know what they get. I will not go behind your back. In fact, I usually got your back. Yeah way of the world. The 'elite' get away with murder
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2021 0:20:26 GMT 1
I worked with some people who believe in QAnon. It was not fun... I, too know someone like that Eh? Who knows? Not going to rule it out. At a certain point no one would believe in the existence of the mafia, Epstein scandal, metoo, Allison Mack's sex cult etc Never underestimate mankind's ability to do evil
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jan 29, 2021 1:12:51 GMT 1
It's hard. Working in restaurants and kitchens is the only professional experience I have (besides working elections, once). Every workplace is its own private game of thrones. My advice, my only advice short of playing along and cutting throats, is to insulate yourself by doing a good job. Redundant though it may seem, I really think doing the best possible job is the best kind of job security, at least in that environment. Politics come and go; restaurants are filled with people who can't (or won't) make it elsewhere, and I've seen a lot of people do their "who's coming with me?" speech from Half-Baked just to find nobody's moving. Life goes on.
My understanding (generally) is when you do a good job, i.e. doing the job well AND gelling well with the staff, you'll always be valuable. Don't make yourself into a slave or anything, but you never know when somebody you 'taught' a lesson might be promoted ahead of you. When cooks (and whomever) get promoted, first thing on the agenda is make change. Show that your promotion actually does make a different and the first step is usually saving money. If you're the dude who can work multiple stations, surprise, you'll be among the last to be sent home. It's a nasty reality but it's a restaurant reality: the more people's jobs you can do, the more you'll stay on the clock while others are sent home to save money.
I'm lead by example type. In some ways, I feel like I survive on good behavior. I've never considered myself a kitchen natural, but I've seen people rage quit over things that make me laugh. The toughest people can become soft in a matter of seconds. The hardest people aren't the ones who yell the loudest, they're the quiet ones who can endure anything because their passion is providing for their family. It's like pro-wrestling, some people define their greatness by winning scripted matches and others are fine just working.
I have seen some pretty ugly and bad stuff, on occasion. My first restaurant, we all endured the spectacle of the chef firing his own business-partner's son. That's just another part of politics. Man can't defend his son or else it looks like favoritism, conflict of interest.
Interesting thing is there's all sorts of policy and internal rules to nail you, so doing a good job helps management decide who to punish. On many occasions, I've given a little extra food to servers because they were hungry. I'm me so it flies. A friend of mine, he was suspended for 10 shifts for giving a server a little bowl of mash potatoes. The difference is night and day; they wanted him gone so they maneuvered him into wanting to leave using the fine print.
Do like Captain America. Compromise when you can, and when you can't, don't.
As Im in the same biz atm, I just cant relate to that. The constant bitching. This customer did this, did that. It's like theyre acting it's a whole new experience, as if they just started the job. It's customer service after all, the biz that we're in. Also dont get the stress, you do the same thing everyday and it aint exactly hard. Then I realised a few of us are smokers-withdrawal symptoms between puffs lol Yeah theres one guy who's the head chef. Booming voice but kinda agitated all the time. Also a smoker lol The venue manager, she knows her stuff but she doesnt really run the place well. There are managers and then there are leaders. Just mind-boggling that she's so hands-on too It's an easy environment to get wound up in. I've been trying to leave for years. It can be a magical place though. Friendships forged there can last for years because you've seen the same shit. Plus food is fascinating. Best defense against the abyss of blandness.
Yeah nobody needs that kind of negativity. The people the most upset on a regular basis are upset at themselves. I'm a sucker so I'm sympathetic the first 10 times. The eleventh?
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