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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 6, 2021 1:20:58 GMT 1
Is there a genre that the MCU has not explored that you wish they would? Or, has Kevin done it all?
I hope against hope for a genuine techno-thriller/cyber-punk movie out of the house of (cinematic) ideas based on either Iron Man 2020 or Deathlok.
A Lovecraftian horror movie featuring Namor or the (other) Defenders is also on my to-do list for Kevin. Doctor Strange 2 might scratch this itch, but I'm not holding my breath.
Anything based on the Film Noir style (even though THE Batman seems to have this covered) would also work.
I would classify WandaVision as surrealist (with comedic overtones), but a straight surrealists Marvel movie makes all kinds of sense to me.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 6, 2021 2:09:54 GMT 1
Is there a genre that the MCU has not explored that you wish they would? Or, has Kevin done it all? I hope against hope for a genuine techno-thriller/cyber-punk movie out of the house of (cinematic) ideas based on either Iron Man 2020 or Deathlok. A Lovecraftian horror movie featuring Namor or the (other) Defenders is also on my to-do list for Kevin. Doctor Strange 2 might scratch this itch, but I'm not holding my breath. Anything based on the Film Noir style (even though THE Batman seems to have this covered) would also work. I would classify WandaVision as surrealist (with comedic overtones), but a straight surrealists Marvel movie makes all kinds of sense to me. Id like to see all of that and maybe a couple of these - A genuine retro Western, perhaps with Carter Slade and his transition to Ghostrider - An explorative Sci-Fi in the tone of Trek or 2001, perhaps discovering something of deep cosmic lore within the MCU. It’s possible that Eternals trespasses on this sort of style. - An isolationist film. I love Phone Booth. I love Buried. I love The Thing. Anything with a remote vibe where the danger is much more personal yet unavoidable. Hulk is a great candidate, but there could be others. - A period Ancient Rome film somewhere just a little ok the Clash of the Titans side of Gladiator starring Hercules. I always love ancient lore in any universe. - A dark mystery thriller, whodunnit. Absolutely no idea what would work best here.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 6, 2021 3:43:30 GMT 1
Is there a genre that the MCU has not explored that you wish they would? Or, has Kevin done it all? I hope against hope for a genuine techno-thriller/cyber-punk movie out of the house of (cinematic) ideas based on either Iron Man 2020 or Deathlok. A Lovecraftian horror movie featuring Namor or the (other) Defenders is also on my to-do list for Kevin. Doctor Strange 2 might scratch this itch, but I'm not holding my breath. Anything based on the Film Noir style (even though THE Batman seems to have this covered) would also work. I would classify WandaVision as surrealist (with comedic overtones), but a straight surrealists Marvel movie makes all kinds of sense to me. Id like to see all of that and maybe a couple of these - A genuine retro Western, perhaps with Carter Slade and his transition to Ghostrider - An explorative Sci-Fi in the tone of Trek or 2001, perhaps discovering something of deep cosmic lore within the MCU. It’s possible that Eternals trespasses on this sort of style. - An isolationist film. I love Phone Booth. I love Buried. I love The Thing. Anything with a remote vibe where the danger is much more personal yet unavoidable. Hulk is a great candidate, but there could be others. - A period Ancient Rome film somewhere just a little ok the Clash of the Titans side of Gladiator starring Hercules. I always love ancient lore in any universe. - A dark mystery thriller, whodunnit. Absolutely no idea what would work best here. Hell yeah, a Ghost Rider movie set in the old west is the perfect way to bring new life into the concept. It sounds like Eternals covers this ground, but it's hard to be sure. I dig where you're coming from here - an epic and slightly more cerebral science fiction piece. Inhumans could be good candidates for this type of movie.The fans would never go for it but, a Hulk movie that is more of a psychological thriller would be fantastic. There could be an isolationist angle to it for sure. If Marvel had control of the character, Spider-Woman would work well in the mystery genre. I'm sure Sony plans to make some loud and splashy thing where she jumps around a lot and fights some lady in a pantsuit. I'm hoping Marvel delves deeper into the crime-thriller genre - Power Man and Iron Fist would work perfectly in that case.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 6, 2021 4:28:48 GMT 1
All good thoughts here and I agree they couldn’t likely get away with much towards the isolation angle per the hulk of fans, but maybe a show? Mayyyybe. Yeah no lol
And flashy pantsuit lolololol
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 6, 2021 5:28:55 GMT 1
All good thoughts here and I agree they couldn’t likely get away with much towards the isolation angle per the hulk of fans, but maybe a show? Mayyyybe. Yeah no lol And flashy pantsuit lolololol I am willing to wager a non-vital organ that Spider-Woman's nemesis will be a businesswoman in a pantsuit who will say Spider-Woman's full name in a snide and self-satisfied way at some point in the movie... "Jessica Drew... You thought you were soooo smart..." After giving up on WW84 on Christmas, I promptly watched my favorite Christmas movie, Diehard. So much fun. But, after that, I caught another low-key superhero film --- Archenemy. Archenemy doesn't quite deliver on its phenomenal premise, but it is well-acted across the board and has a ton of action. It convinced me that you could combine the hardboiled crime genre with the superhero genre - although Marvel would have to ease up on the drug use and graphic violence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 12:23:36 GMT 1
Fantasy genre-Thor would probs suit best for obvious reasons. Those other realms. Doctor Strange too I guess
Adventure-Namor or the F4 in another dimension
Alternate history-What if Hydra won instead and took over? Would like to see Cap and the gang take it all back from them. Might have to be a trilogy
What if Titan wasnt destroyed? What if there was a war instead with Titan with another alien species. Thanos the General. Becomes a war of attrition
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 12:24:15 GMT 1
All good thoughts here and I agree they couldn’t likely get away with much towards the isolation angle per the hulk of fans, but maybe a show? Mayyyybe. Yeah no lol And flashy pantsuit lolololol Sure why not? More Bruce, the better
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jan 6, 2021 12:41:02 GMT 1
I'd love a film or series that played around with a Wild West setting.
I definitely want a horror film.
A lord of the rings style Fantasy film.
A film noir would be cool.
Something involving Atlantis would be awesome.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 6, 2021 16:56:55 GMT 1
All good thoughts here and I agree they couldn’t likely get away with much towards the isolation angle per the hulk of fans, but maybe a show? Mayyyybe. Yeah no lol And flashy pantsuit lolololol Sure why not? More Bruce, the better The fans who are in it more for the BAM, THWOK aspect of the character might not appreciate a film where you could get more Banner than the big guy. I can hear the grumbling already; "why doesn't he just change!?" And the complaints will go on for years. I'd rather not have to live through that for a decade+ as a fan. The Hulk is one of those characters where fans won't tolerate you messing with the formula - that's a shame really. That said, a movie where Bruce Banner and the Hulk are separate entities would be very interesting to me. They were removed from each other in the comic books back in the 90s or aughts, I think. The Hulk was reduced to a mindless and feral death machine with occasional moments of contemplation. Bruce was left to pursue and destroy it while eschewing help from the superhero community.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 6, 2021 17:38:48 GMT 1
Fantasy genre-Thor would probs suit best for obvious reasons. Those other realms. Doctor Strange too I guess Adventure-Namor or the F4 in another dimension Alternate history-What if Hydra won instead and took over? Would like to see Cap and the gang take it all back from them. Might have to be a trilogy What if Titan wasnt destroyed? What if there was a war instead with Titan with another alien species. Thanos the General. Becomes a war of attrition I really want to see Namor in something horror-oriented. I thought Aquaman was fun and entertaining, but I disagreed with the film's bioluminescent vision of Atlantis. It was a valid creative choice; I just didn't appreciate it aesthetically. Outside of the sequence in the Trench, Atlantis felt like Tomorrowland or maybe Pandora. I see the depths of the ocean as a dark and more foreboding place. The best Atlantis for me is the one you probably only catch glimpses of and don't see very often. Atlantis should feel a little older. You could do it and be successful in many ways, but I really want the Marvel Atlantis to be distinct from the DC Atlantis. The alternate-history idea would be excellent. What if...? should move to live-action as its own sub-franchise, and a true Secret Empire movie with a fascist Captain America would make for a bold start.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Jan 6, 2021 18:05:10 GMT 1
I'd love a film or series that played around with a Wild West setting. I definitely want a horror film. A lord of the rings style Fantasy film. A film noir would be cool. Something involving Atlantis would be awesome. All of these.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jan 6, 2021 18:10:13 GMT 1
I really want to see Namor in something horror-oriented. I thought Aquaman was fun and entertaining, but I disagreed with the film's bioluminescent vision of Atlantis. It was a valid creative choice; I just didn't appreciate it aesthetically. Outside of the sequence in the Trench, Atlantis felt like Tomorrowland or maybe Pandora. I see the depths of the ocean as a dark and more foreboding place. The best Atlantis for me is the one you probably only catch glimpses of and don't see very often. Atlantis should feel a little older. You could do it and be successful in many ways, but I really want the Marvel Atlantis to be distinct from the DC Atlantis. Oh, I would love this. But then I’m really interested in the Atlantis myth anyway. And, yes, an Atlantis you “only catch glimpses of” is an excellent idea—preserving its mystery, even if the parallels to Crete and Santorini are a given at this point. And this idea is taylorfirst1 ’s and detour ’s, not mine, but I love it: a ’60s Fantastic Four that harkens back to the era’s pop surrealism, à la the Steed and Mrs. Peel Avengers (veddy English gentleman walking out of the ocean in garbage bag, and that sort of thing).
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Post by detour on Jan 6, 2021 18:30:06 GMT 1
If Disney decides the Neflix shows are not MCU canon, then I would love a Power Man & Iron Fist film set in the 70s, done in the blaxploitation style.
With comic book accurate costumes, sucka.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 6, 2021 18:59:01 GMT 1
I really want to see Namor in something horror-oriented. I thought Aquaman was fun and entertaining, but I disagreed with the film's bioluminescent vision of Atlantis. It was a valid creative choice; I just didn't appreciate it aesthetically. Outside of the sequence in the Trench, Atlantis felt like Tomorrowland or maybe Pandora. I see the depths of the ocean as a dark and more foreboding place. The best Atlantis for me is the one you probably only catch glimpses of and don't see very often. Atlantis should feel a little older. You could do it and be successful in many ways, but I really want the Marvel Atlantis to be distinct from the DC Atlantis. Oh, I would love this. But then I’m really interested in the Atlantis myth anyway. And, yes, an Atlantis you “only catch glimpses of” is an excellent idea—preserving its mystery, even if the parallels to Crete and Santorini are a given at this point. And this idea is taylorfirst1 ’s and detour ’s, not mine, but I love it: a ’60s Fantastic Four that harkens back to the era’s pop surrealism, à la the Steed and Mrs. Peel Avengers (veddy English gentleman walking out of the ocean in garbage bag, and that sort of thing). I've always had very specific ideas about Namor and Atlantis as the sovereign is a favorite character. Aquaman's struggles with his identity, familial dysfunction issues, and reluctance to be a monarch make sense for that character. Namor, on the other hand, is quite a different animal. I see him as supremely confident in his place in the world, to the point of arrogance and very self-assured in his role as a monarch and fierce protector of Atlantis. His struggle would be to win the war within himself and embrace his humanity. As for Atlantis, I'm not exceptionally well versed in its mythology, but I've seen and read enough portrayals of the city to know what I don't want. Atlantis, I think, should have some sense of ruin to it. I don't want to feel like I'm on a rollercoaster ride or in the city of the future. A Namor movie told from the point of view of early deep-sea explorers on the verge of discovering Atlantis would be infinitely intriguing to me. A claustrophobic Sub-Marine adventure where our "heroes" are stalked by a mythical, hyper adapted man from the depths. Namor as a myth and a legend would be a unique take on the superhero "origin story." taylorfirst1 and detour have obviously cracked the Fantastic Four problem. A sixties-set adventure makes more sense to me than flirtations with the 80s, 90s and other recently past periods. Those decades are still too close to us to be appreciated for what they were. The 60s almost feels like it could have been a dream - especially if you weren't actually there.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2021 21:22:01 GMT 1
Sure why not? More Bruce, the better The fans who are in it more for the BAM, THWOK aspect of the character might not appreciate a film where you could get more Banner than the big guy. I can hear the grumbling already; "why doesn't he just change!?" And the complaints will go on for years. I'd rather not have to live through that for a decade+ as a fan. The Hulk is one of those characters where fans won't tolerate you messing with the formula - that's a shame really. That said, a movie where Bruce Banner and the Hulk are separate entities would be very interesting to me. They were removed from each other in the comic books back in the 90s or aughts, I think. The Hulk was reduced to a mindless and feral death machine with occasional moments of contemplation. Bruce was left to pursue and destroy it while eschewing help from the superhero community. Depends how it's done but I could see a psychological, isolationist film. Where Bruce just battles himself, his alter ego the Hulk in his own mind. Although the audience wouldnt know it was taking place in his own mind. I guess kinda like that American Psycho ending. Could be a thriller too
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 6, 2021 21:29:09 GMT 1
The fans who are in it more for the BAM, THWOK aspect of the character might not appreciate a film where you could get more Banner than the big guy. I can hear the grumbling already; "why doesn't he just change!?" And the complaints will go on for years. I'd rather not have to live through that for a decade+ as a fan. The Hulk is one of those characters where fans won't tolerate you messing with the formula - that's a shame really. That said, a movie where Bruce Banner and the Hulk are separate entities would be very interesting to me. They were removed from each other in the comic books back in the 90s or aughts, I think. The Hulk was reduced to a mindless and feral death machine with occasional moments of contemplation. Bruce was left to pursue and destroy it while eschewing help from the superhero community. Depends how it's done but I could see a psychological, isolationist film. Where Bruce just battles himself, his alter ego the Hulk in his own mind. Although the audience wouldnt know it was taking place in his own mind. I guess kinda like that American Psycho ending. Could be a thriller too I would see that film in a heart beat. A metaphysical battle between the Hulk and Banner is a must for anyone considering a new film, in my opinion. A battlefield where the Hulk's strength and Banner's intellect become irrelevant turns it into more of a contest of wills.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 8, 2021 3:21:00 GMT 1
The fans who are in it more for the BAM, THWOK aspect of the character might not appreciate a film where you could get more Banner than the big guy. I can hear the grumbling already; "why doesn't he just change!?" And the complaints will go on for years. I'd rather not have to live through that for a decade+ as a fan. The Hulk is one of those characters where fans won't tolerate you messing with the formula - that's a shame really. That said, a movie where Bruce Banner and the Hulk are separate entities would be very interesting to me. They were removed from each other in the comic books back in the 90s or aughts, I think. The Hulk was reduced to a mindless and feral death machine with occasional moments of contemplation. Bruce was left to pursue and destroy it while eschewing help from the superhero community. Depends how it's done but I could see a psychological, isolationist film. Where Bruce just battles himself, his alter ego the Hulk in his own mind. Although the audience wouldnt know it was taking place in his own mind. I guess kinda like that American Psycho ending. Could be a thriller too And there could be some sort of real world side plot established where the result of Bruce’s internal battle is going to have a huge consequence.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 8, 2021 3:28:48 GMT 1
Rewatching 9.4 of our Marvel episode of the Podcast of Champions, you guys really got me into this idea of Future Foundation. I really started to see that as an introduction. Would make sense to start a Philanthropic organization dedicated to a better future post snap. Have the be publicly known through it as the 4 fantastic founders. And meanwhile they’ve been able to do that as a part of research they’re doing that leads to their gaining of powers. Somehow I started to see that as a possibility
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 8, 2021 6:49:55 GMT 1
Rewatching 9.4 of our Marvel episode of the Podcast of Champions, you guys really got me into this idea of Future Foundation. I really started to see that as an introduction. Would make sense to start a Philanthropic organization dedicated to a better future post snap. Have the be publicly known through it as the 4 fantastic founders. And meanwhile they’ve been able to do that as a part of research they’re doing that leads to their gaining of powers. Somehow I started to see that as a possibility There were moments when I was nearly bought to tears reading Future Foundation. The scope of Hickman's ideas, their optimism, their humanism... Not since the inception of the Fantastic Four has there ever been a better pairing of concept and characters. The Future Foundation is the natural and logical evolution of the mission of the Fantastic Four.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 8, 2021 18:10:52 GMT 1
I just want to see some clobberin time!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 8, 2021 18:22:30 GMT 1
I just want to see some clobberin time! As the Talosians say, you'll get that "and more."
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