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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 12:55:36 GMT 1
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Post by Nightman on Dec 19, 2020 15:28:08 GMT 1
I'm offended, yet I can't dispute anything the creepy voiceover said. LOST is the GOAT.
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Post by Jayman on Dec 19, 2020 17:28:26 GMT 1
I watched the whole series but after awhile it became clear that they had no idea which direction they were going and it just became more and more bizarre. And I hate flashbacks and flash forwards!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 2:17:16 GMT 1
I watched the whole series but after awhile it became clear that they had no idea which direction they were going and it just became more and more bizarre. And I hate flashbacks and flash forwards! The flashbacks are what made the show. Theyre great. Agreed on the direction though lol
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Post by Jayman on Dec 20, 2020 2:50:50 GMT 1
I watched the whole series but after awhile it became clear that they had no idea which direction they were going and it just became more and more bizarre. And I hate flashbacks and flash forwards! The flashbacks are what made the show. Theyre great. Agreed on the direction though lol half the time I didn’t know what was real what was past and what was forward. It’s like the show didn’t take place in an island anymore
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 20, 2020 7:06:09 GMT 1
Funniest jokes in that^ (for me) were the Felicity one and the one about no new Pope. I enjoyed Lost for the first three seasons, then at the beginning of Season 4 they introduced five new characters all at once - none of which I cared for. I mean, throughout the first three seasons they introduced some new characters here and there, and made some of them regulars, but not so many all at the same time. I just didn’t care for the new regulars of Season 4 and lost interest from that season onward (although stuck with the show until the bitter end). I liked that my favourite female character on the show, Juliet (played by Elizabeth Mitchell), got to be in the first scene of a season (the Season 3 premiere) and the last scene of a season (the Season 5 final). I would've been content with the Season 3 final being the final episode. Hell, I would've even taken the Season 5 final (that was such an awesomely dramatic moment and Elizabeth Mitchell sold the hell out of it, I thought. I remember the weird coincidence that both the Season 5 final for Lost and the season final for Supernatural that same year - Season 4 - both ended with bright white flashes of light). I always loved seeing Vincent the dog. I had originally thought the “smoke monster” was going to turn out to be some sort of weird-looking contraption with someone operating it (one of the sounds it made sounded like a winch to me) and that it emitted smoke around it to conceal what it truly was. Though I always remember once reading a theory that 'Lostzilla' (as I saw some people name it), before it was revealed to be black smoke, was going to turn out to be a giant sloth - I think I would've even preferred that to what it actually ended up being. I was amused when I saw someone dub the character who wasn't actually Locke in Season 6 'WTFlocke'.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Dec 27, 2020 1:07:55 GMT 1
Never saw a single episode. Should I still bother with it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 1:54:03 GMT 1
Never saw a single episode. Should I still bother with it? I thought it was a pretty solid show all up. It's just that when a certain very powerful character is introduced, well two of them, then it kinda declines in quality. The ending is so underwhelming for a show like this too. Just a warning, as it's been quite a while since Ive seen the show my memory of the show may be a bit cloudy
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Post by Indiana Jones on Dec 27, 2020 2:16:01 GMT 1
Never saw a single episode. Should I still bother with it? I thought it was a pretty solid show all up. It's just that when a certain very powerful character is introduced, well two of them, then it kinda declines in quality. The ending is so underwhelming for a show like this too. Just a warning, as it's been quite a while since Ive seen the show my memory of the show may be a bit cloudy Yeah I do remember hearing about the ending being a letdown.
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Post by Grandmaster on Dec 28, 2020 18:28:27 GMT 1
Never seen it.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 28, 2020 19:08:28 GMT 1
Tried watching it a couple of times and didn't like it. Couldn't stick with it more than a few episodes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 0:07:56 GMT 1
Tried watching it a couple of times and didn't like it. Couldn't stick with it more than a few episodes. How come? What didnt you like about it?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 29, 2020 2:41:29 GMT 1
Tried watching it a couple of times and didn't like it. Couldn't stick with it more than a few episodes. How come? What didnt you like about it? I think it was just too dark for me. The people all seemed like idiots and everything they tried to do went horribly wrong. Also, too much random stuff with no explanations.
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Post by Jayman on Dec 29, 2020 2:57:33 GMT 1
How come? What didnt you like about it? I think it was just too dark for me. The people all seemed like idiots and everything they tried to do went horribly wrong. Also, too much random stuff with no explanations. For me the appeal was in seeing how a group of people cope with being stranded on an island and how they learn to survive and live with each other. But it turned into something completely different which was a little disappointing but it did hold my interest for the whole series.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jan 19, 2022 1:04:17 GMT 1
I managed to score the first two seasons on DVD for a real bargain, and started rewatching the show from the beginning last night. Episode 1: 'Pilot, Part 1'. **spoilers below, obviously** The show opens on an eyeball, with a guy dressed in a suit in the middle of what appears to be jungle. When the dog - a Labrador (which is the breed of dog we've always had) - appeared, my immediate reaction was "Aww!". The show did a good job of slowly revealing the plane wreckage disaster. Whereas I'm sure a lot of shows would've just started with the scene on the beach, this one takes its time getting to there - but once it does, it's quite impactful. One thing I noticed was how many people stood in front of that still-going plane engine and yet they didn't get sucked into it, but then a short time later...one poor bastard did. Seeing Ian Somerhalder pre- The Vampire Diaries was somewhat amusing, since he was SO not-Damon Salvatore in this. Boone was trying his best to resuscitate a woman, but not doing it the right way, so Jack had to take over and I was somewhat amused that Boone's go-to solution was a tracheotomy, and even funnier that he took Jack seriously when he told him basically "Yeah, you go find some pens.". Hurley, who Jack tasked with the job of getting the pregnant Aussie, Claire, moved off the beach, couldn't seem to do his ONE JOB that he was given, and almost got them both flattened by a falling plane wing which Jack had to rescue them from (on top of saving other people/telling others what to do - therefore making him the default leader of the survivors), though Hurley did win some points back later on by supplying Claire with not one, but two meals - so he's not completely useless...unlike Shannon, who made a bad first impression by just standing there on the beach screaming her head of like a child lost at a supermarket. She's a grown woman and was totally bratty the whole way through this first episode. I mean, really - refusing chocolate? You think being stranded on an island is a time to be worrying about watching your weight? Plus, her belief they'd be rescued in no time/denial about how screwed they were got annoying fast. Also annoying? "WAAAALT!" - which is the first thing we hear from the character of Michael and will be hearing plenty more of throughout the first couple of seasons (don't play a drinking game, taking a swig every time he says it - you'll be dead from alcohol poisoning in no time). I'd forgotten that Locke and Sawyer didn't even get any lines in this first half of the 'Pilot' episode...but they still managed to make an impression - Sawyer is all broody and smoking a cigarette while Locke gives Kate a creepy orange smile and embraces the rain that everyone else seeks shelter from. Speaking of Kate (it's fun to revisit my introduction to Evangeline Lilly as an actress, as well as other actors like Ian Somerhalder, Maggie Grace and Josh Holloway), it was almost eyeroll-worthy that her introduction to the show's lead/'hero' required his shirt being off. Yes, he has a wound that needs sewing up, but the shirtlessness when two characters in a show first meet seems to be like a prerequisite that immediately lets you know they're going to be paired up as love interests. I remembered Jack's story about 'letting the fear in, but only for 5 seconds'...but mainly for the 'angel hair pasta' description of nerves spilling out (THANKS for that visual!). It was a good scene for setting up these two characters, but I'll always be amused at them both having the most common character names EVER. Seriously, at the time this show aired, it was like you couldn't watch a series without a main character named Jack or Kate. I did like that the show teamed them up with Charlie straight off the bat. He was clearly zoned out, going by his wandering around the beach as wreckage fell and not really reacting to it. I think my fondness for LotR helped me take an instant liking to his character, since he was played by Dominic Monaghan from those movies. However, his singing that line from the song his band was known for, in an effort to jog Kate's memory of what she recognised him from, was SO damn annoying with his high-pitched voice and just repeating that same three word lyric over and over. I thought, "If that's any indication of your singing ability/band's songwriting ability...it's a wonder Kate doesn't just automatically throw a rock at you for how much your band must suck." (or something to that effect, anyway). On the plus side, we got to see Vincent again as he watched these foolish humans from afar as they ventured into a jungle they *knew* was home to a monster that, in Charlie's words, had 'a certain gargantuan quality about it' (I'll never forget reading theories the first time around that the show would end with everyone on the island dead and Vincent being the lone survivor, looking out over all these graves, and rescue finally arriving - which would've been both an amusing and sad outcome). Speaking of the monster, things got really interesting when it first made its presence known, shaking the trees about (which, as soon as I saw it the first time around, I was immediately reminded of the ending to the 1998 movie Deep Rising that starred Treat Williams and Famke Janssen) whilst making a bizarre mechanical noise. When Walt asked his dad "Is that Vincent?", my immediate thought was, "Unless Vincent is a mechanical version of Clifford the Big Red Dog...what a stupid question to ask." (though I did like that Walt's first concern was his missing dog). Everything from when the trio go into the jungle to find the front of the plane onwards was really enthralling, and of course Greg Grunberg had to be in this (playing the pilot), since J. J. Abrams was involved with the show and Grunberg's a close personal friend (which I learned back during his Felicity days). Having the monster attack ramped things up and was what brought Charlie out of the bathroom of the plane, which he'd disappeared into for a time (to get up to what? We will find out in due course, but looking back...it's pretty darn obvious). And then Abrams had his BFF become the monster's first victim - the blood splattering against the window showed this 'Lostzilla' (as I saw it referred to somewhere) meant business. The running through the rain sequence made things exciting, and Jack's 'fear' story proved to have a point, as Kate resorted to the 'counting to 5' trick as she attempted to deal with being by herself (since Jack stopped to help Charlie whose foot got snagged on a random thing on the ground). It's kind of funny that when Charlie was the one to find her, Kate's first thought was "Where's Jack?" and Charlie reminded her his name's Charlie, wondering why she wasn't calling out after him. The reveal of dead Grunberg in the tree was gruesomely effective. All in all, I think this remains one of the BEST 'Pilot' episodes of any series ever, as the time flew by and I thought there was never a dull moment (even during the 'talky' scenes or when it cut back to show everyone on the plane pre-crash).
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jan 21, 2022 11:33:25 GMT 1
Episode 2: 'Pilot, Part 2'. **obviously, spoilers below** This episode we got to know a bit more about the other main characters in the show who didn't get much (if anything) to say/do in 'Part 1'. Shannon is still absolutely useless, which Boone calls her out on as she just sunbathes and sits on her arse being all weepy, then she gets pissy at him about his calling her out on her whole 'woe is me' thing when everyone else is in the same boat (figuratively, not literally, of course - otherwise they'd be saved!), and because she's such a petulant brat, it takes having her uselessness pointed out to her by someone for her to *finally* get up off her butt and volunteer to go on a hike that Sayid and Kate were going on to get a signal on a radio they have. So, her volunteering to actually do something useful was just her being contrary, since Boone said she'd never do such a thing. Of course, then near the end she just so happens to be the *one* person who knows some French (even though she fights against Boone saying that she does for ages until finally just shutting up and actually listening/translating). Her screaming her head off again when they all started running away from the noise in the jungle - which turned out to be a polar bear - was just about as irritating as our introduction to her character when she was doing the same thing whilst standing amongst the wreckage on the beach in the first episode. I'd forgotten how unlikeable Shannon was in the early part of the show. Also unlikeable, though to a lesser extent, was Jin - who was obviously very controlling of his wife, Sun, with his shouting at her to 'cover up' when Michael was looking for WAAAALT! (as if he spends the first season doing anything else) because she had the top button of her shirt undone (though she defied him later by undoing it again...though he'd already walked off, so not THAT defiant - but still, baby steps) and slapping her hand when they were preparing whatever sea creature Jin was offering to the other Losties. Speaking of, I thought it was a bit rich for Hurley to refuse the offer of food. At least Claire was brave enough to try it...though maybe her immediately feeling her unborn child kick as a result was its way of saying "That food's HORRIBLE!". I wonder if anyone got up in arms about her forcing Jin to touch her pregnant belly (when he clearly didn't want to) and thought her rude for doing so? I personally think that was him getting off easy considering the way he treated his wife. Hurley continued to be fairly useless, as he did exactly what Jack told him *not* to in regards to looking at the marshal's wound as he held onto him (in case the unconscious patient suddenly regained consciousness), then promptly fainted as a result. On the plus side, at least Hurley was decent to Sayid...which was more than Sawyer was capable of. I kind of thought it was an abrupt cut to the two of them fighting, since we hadn't seen what led up to it and only learned through dialogue that Sawyer had accused Sayid of crashing the plane. Hurley attempted to play peacekeeper, and as a result wound up being the first victim of what would become a regular thing - ie. Sawyer giving the other characters nicknames (in this case it was 'Lardo'. Further nicknames uttered by Sawyer throughout the episode included 'Doc', Sweetheart' and 'Sweetcheeks' - though I don't like my chances of being able to keep count of all the ones he says every episode - there's just SO MANY of them throughout the series). Hurley's reaction to what Sawyer called him really said a lot, and it was good that Jack and others stood up for him against Sawyer, but even though he appeared to be a jerkwad, we did see other layers to his character in this episode. There was the scene of him reading a letter, which appeared to get him somewhat emotional, and then there was the fact that although he could be rude to everyone including Kate, he also helped her up when they were scaling the mountain. Plus, Sawyer was the *only* one who stood his ground when they heard the noise that they thought may have been the monster. Of course, he had a gun - so that's probably a large part of why he felt 'brave' enough to just stand there - though he stupidly wasted a bunch of bullets before actually hitting/killing his target. Speaking of said target...I felt sorry for that polar bear, who obviously had just escaped his captivity and was probably as lost, in regards to wondering where it was, as the humans were...and then when it finally gains its freedom and flees, some bastard shoots the poor thing. Though I was amused by Charlie's description of it when Boone asked whether that was the monster and he answered, "No, that's a tiny, teeny version compared to that." (and if you want a good laugh, check out what the fake bear they had leaping at Sawyer/Josh Holloway originally looked like before they improved upon it - it's like someone threw a bear rug at him). RIP, polar bear, who probably just wanted something (or in this case, some one) to eat since those fish biscuits probably don't taste so great (spoiler!). Apart from getting to know a bit more about Sawyer, we also got to learn that Kate was the prisoner who the marshal had been escorting on the plane. It was neat how the show had weaved in clues to it being Kate with her reactions to what Jack said in regards to whether the marshal would survive or not, and when there was the argument between Sawyer and Sayid about the handcuffs (which WAAAALT! found), there were shots of Kate reacting to what they were saying that should've clued the audience in to the fact that *she* was the one those handcuffs had been on (I think I even recall back in the first episode, when she appeared to Jack, she was holding/rubbing her wrist like it was sore). They also spelled out to us that Charlie had a dangerous deathly addiction...to DRUGS - dun dun DUN! - which actually more resembled brown sugar than anything (it's funny how they had to keep cutting away since they were obviously not allowed to show him actually snorting the stuff). A character who actually got some dialogue this episode (unlike in the previous one) was Locke, and his whole speech to WAAAALT! about Backgammon and it being between two sides - light & dark - would tend to suggest that the show's final season/ending was planned out from the start (but I personally still think a lot of it was just made up as they went along and then they tried to circle it back around and make stuff like this relevant so they could claim, "See?! We had this whole light vs dark thing planned out ALL ALONG!"). Locke managed to be interesting with just his brief scenes, whereas Michael managed to be annoying with his. I mean, really, saying to your kid "I'll get you another dog."? How would you like someone saying, "I'll get you another WAAAALT!", huh? I'm glad Jack mentioned having seen a Labrador in the jungle and that he looked okay (then again... how would you know the poor dog wasn't starving or dying of thirst, Jack? And when Michael mentioned the missing dog and Jack had to clarify it was a 'Lab', did he think there were other dogs on this plane that miraculously managed to survive? I'd have thought the odds of there belong more than one alive dog from that crash would've been pretty slim. Speaking of...seeing the plane rip apart really showed that, if there was any 'realism' to this show, they'd all be well and truly dead, as NO ONE could've survived that.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jan 24, 2022 10:59:41 GMT 1
Episode 3: 'Tabula Rasa'. **below, obviously spoilers** This is Kate's flashback episode. The dying marshal tells Jack to look in his pocket, after wondering where his handcuffs are and rambling about how "She’s dangerous", "Don't trust her", etc and Jack finds Kate's mugshot (I imagined Jack thinking, "Dang. I told her my angel hair pasta story and EVERYTHING." when he saw this). The criminal in question is walking with the hiking gang, after hearing a French woman's message about 'all the others being dead' that's been repeated for 16 years last episode, Sayid wants to make camp, there's the typical Shannon response (seriously, at this point I'm not sure why Lostzilla hasn't just eaten her to finally SHUT HER UP), nicknames which Sawyer uses this episode - 'Abdul', 'Al Jazeera' (those two are directed at Sayid), the first instance of him calling Kate 'Freckles' and 'Doc' is uttered again in reference to Jack, they decide not to tell anyone else about the message they heard - this is the first instance of 'lying' being the go-to move for the characters, I think. We flashback to Kate being caught sleeping in a farmer's barn, but he agrees to let her stay/help her get to MelBORN (as she pronounces) if she helps him out around the place...and he's got 'a hell of a mortgage' (which is *important*, and said enough times so we won't forget it). While the hiking gang are sleeping, Boone steals the gun from Sawyer (which Kate dismantled in the last episode after he shot the poor polar bear, acting like she didn't know how to handle a gun even though *we* know she does), Sawyer's predictably pissed, then Shannon says Kate should have it - I wonder how tempted Kate would've been to use it to MAKE SHANNON STFU? Hurley's wondering if Lostzilla is a dinosaur (I personally liked one theory I read somewhere at the time the show originally aired where they thought it was a giant sloth - now THAT would've been unexpected). Stupid Jack left Kate's mugshot out for Hurley to stumble across, the hiking gang get back, Kate's whole "So, we lie." solution she came up with for not telling the rest about the message apparently doesn't include Jack, since she tells him almost straight away. He's more interested in her 'fessing up about her criminal activity...but she won't, it's clear Hurley's never played poker since he can't keep from freaking out about Kate being a criminal even when she introduces herself to him in a friendly manner, she goes to lean over the marshal where he's being kept, and in flashback mode we learn the farmer sold Kate out to the marshal (who's pursuing them as they're driving) because he has A HELL OF A MORTGAGE to pay off. She feels betrayed, swerves the car, it crashes, she's miraculously conscious whilst the farmer is not and she pulls him free of the burning vehicle which is what costs her her chance to get away, as then the marshal's there pointing a gun at her. Back on the island, he starts choking her until Jack intervenes and automatically assumes she did something to him instead of vice versa. Dying marshal moans for all to hear, Shannon says she wishes he'd just DIE already, Boone calls her out on her shittiness, and Locke's fashioning a whistle after his talk with WAAAALT! last episode - Michael's not fond of this old man befriending his son and tells him to stay away from Locke, but unlike Michael's useless self, Locke's actually DOING SOMETHING to find the missing Vincent. Whereas Michael's all "I'll find your dog, son...as soon as it stops raining." and then we get the abrupt end to the rain (which seems to be a common thing on this island) and Michael's clearly regretting making that promise as he ventures into the jungle, whining to himself, then hears a noise he somehow thinks is Vincent (do none of these characters actually know what a dog sounds like?), but instead he runs straight into a showering Sun and it's awkward between them. Charlie and Claire share a moment together, he makes her laugh and already you're wanting the two of them to hook up. Kate tries making a fire at night, Sawyer gives her his lighter, they talk about the marshal and how he doesn't envy her having the gun since he'd use it to put the guy out of his misery. She goes to talk with the marshal (who's *still* in the process of dying), he wonders what favour she was going to ask him on the plane before everything went to hell, she says she wants the farmer to get the reward for turning her in (because of his HELL OF A MORTGAGE), and eventually we get to the part of the episode which matters - where Jack learns Kate's got a gun, they hear a loud BANG! come from the tent (yet somehow this doesn't cause all the Losties to come running over in a panic), Jack sees Kate walking off, thinking she offed the marshal, but then Sawyer emerges and he's got the gun...but apparently he's a piss-poor shot judging by the fact that he couldn't even manage to shoot a guy dead who was laying still, as we hear the marshal gurgling, Jack yells at Sawyer and says how it's going to take time for the marshal to die now. Sawyer's pissed at himself (SO pissed he throws one of his ciggies away!), and the episode ends with - ugh - one of those musical montages that I came to HATE in this show courtesy of Hurley managing to find some headphones, so we're treated to hearing what he's listening to as we see Charlie writing on his finger bandages (as he does), Boone gifting Shannon some sunglasses he found (not sure WHY he'd reward her with anything, considering her behaviour), Sayid tossing Sawyer an apple (I guess because he knows he's feeling bad about being such a suck shot), and - MOST IMPORTANTLY - Vincent being reunited with WAAAALT! ( Locke was the one who got him out of the jungle, thanks to his dog whistle he made, but tells Michael *he* should be the one to take him to his son - letting him have all the credit despite the fact that he clearly couldn't have cared less about Vincent). It was an "aww"-worthy moment seeing WAAAALT! hug Vincent...but Locke sitting, watching from afar and seeming slightly creepy suggests he mightn't be as 'nice' as he first appeared - which would suck, if it were the case, as I'd hate for useless Michael to have been proven RIGHT about him.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 24, 2022 16:04:24 GMT 1
I never watch these things for shows and films I love. I’m not trying to put little nitpicks in my head about them.
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