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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 31, 2024 9:22:07 GMT 1
I have lost almost all interest in the MCU. Because it is such a shit show. Its lacking in cohesion overall and with all the delays and recasts I have a real hard time staying invested as I once did.
That doesnt mean I stop watching it or dont enjoy the occassional individual project. But the excitement of the build up is really missing. And that was what made the MCU unique.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 31, 2024 16:34:51 GMT 1
I haven't given up on the brand, but this iteration of the MCU would be best put to rest before it becomes a total DCEU-style train wreck and they completely lose all of the money and goodwill they struggled to earn in the first decade.
Frankly, I'm STILL shocked that Disney managed to be as successful as they were with the Marvel brand - considering what they'd done to Star Wars with the prequels, I never thought their company culture or tendency towards YA-oriented storytelling would serve the brand.
Before the acquisition, I frequently and heartily made fun of the legions of zombified adult Disney fans and the Star Wars fans they'd managed to enslave. For weeks after the announcement, I wouldn't accept it; I thought the deal would fall through as one of these Ivy League-trained executives realized how bad of an idea buying Marvel was.
After every billion-dollar victory, I said this has to be a fluke; eventually, they will mess this up. They held on a lot longer than I ever thought they would, and they built something unprecedented in cinema. And it could have only been done with Marvel stories and Marvel characters. They reflect the times in a way DC characters and stories simply don't.
It's time to stop, but the sad part is they won't - they will likely drag the brand for every last dollar they can get.
The only way back is a long rest for Marvel and, maybe, after a decent night's sleep, a resurgence on the printed page.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 31, 2024 17:09:41 GMT 1
Frankly, I'm STILL shocked that Disney managed to be as successful as they were with the Marvel brand - considering what they'd done to Star Wars with the prequels, I never thought their company culture or tendency towards YA-oriented storytelling would serve the brand. I'm a little confused. Did you mean the SEQUELS?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 31, 2024 17:31:33 GMT 1
Frankly, I'm STILL shocked that Disney managed to be as successful as they were with the Marvel brand - considering what they'd done to Star Wars with the prequels, I never thought their company culture or tendency towards YA-oriented storytelling would serve the brand. I'm a little confused. Did you mean the SEQUELS? Lord Death Man, I'm still confused.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 31, 2024 17:39:52 GMT 1
Yes, I meant the sequels. Put the prequels are still so divisive among many that I frequently conflate them with the more recent and even more divisive films. Aside from the billions at the box office, Star Wars really got a raw deal from Disney. LOL!
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Post by Grandmaster on Jan 31, 2024 18:42:29 GMT 1
Im happy Lord Death Man agrees. I dont think Disney+ was the problem. Multiplatform universes can easily work. Its the sheer amount of content that hurt the franchise. Because of the quantity the quality got hurt. Because they couldnt put the same amount of care into it. They should have gone for 3 movies and 2 shows per year. That way you would always be in the conversation without it being so much you cannot control it the way the Infinity Saga was. I know the pandemic and the strikes had their effect but its such a waste they hurt the best franchise ever by making too much content.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jan 31, 2024 19:14:08 GMT 1
Yes, I meant the sequels. Put the prequels are still so divisive among many that I frequently conflate them with the more recent and even more divisive films. Aside from the billions at the box office, Star Wars really got a raw deal from Disney. LOL! to be fair, 2 of the disney films were prequels
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jan 31, 2024 19:16:13 GMT 1
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Jan 31, 2024 19:45:50 GMT 1
I am right on the verge of not caring. I’m not a pessimist but I am a realist and I can recall numerous great movie franchises and tv shows that soured, having me hoping with each new entry or season that they’d return to form. They never do. At least not consistently. TV shows do however still have the occasional gem in their later, tired seasons.
That is why I think the absolute smartest thing they can do now is make each entry as stand alone as possible to increase the accessibility on a movie by movie basis. Gotg Vol 3 was a big success because people saw it as a GotG movie first and foremost. The shared universe may have lost me but I will always be there for a solid stand alone movie for Dr Strange, Fantastic Four, Blade, Spider-Man, etc.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Jan 31, 2024 19:49:31 GMT 1
Also…
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jan 31, 2024 20:08:50 GMT 1
I honestly started feeling this some time after phase 3 ended. Endgame felt like a big finale to the MCU and i honestly kinda wished it was.
The only three movies i looked forward to in phase 4 was Eternals, Doctor Strange 2 and Spider-Man 3 and honestly since then they have been putting out stuff that doesn't even feel like a passion project anymore.
It all feels like it's just studio mandated slop. With a lot of it being dumped on Disney+ which i still think hurt the brand the most.
If they make it to Secret Wars, here's hoping they completely wipe the slate clean and put the brand on hold for several years before putting out any more movies.
Maybe even go the Star Wars route and wait 10 years.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jan 31, 2024 21:07:40 GMT 1
Also…
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Post by LokisMom on Jan 31, 2024 22:16:08 GMT 1
It is just show biz and we shouldn’t let be that important to us. I got too emotionally wrapped up in Loki and that was silly. Nothing lasts forever.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jan 31, 2024 22:16:35 GMT 1
I still havent watched all of Echo but I still like it after viewing the second episode. After the disappointing She-Hulk and Secret Invasion, the excitement was gone in a major way for me. Skipped the Marvels but took note of the post credits scene. Maybe Deadpool 3 will resurrect the passion for me. Waiting for X-Men and Fantastic 4. There's also that Blade game
Loki Season 2 was fine but after having digested both seasons, I duno, I expected more (preferred the first season). Maybe they should have stayed with fantasy and Thor's universe (9 realms) but I guess the multiverse and Kang took priority..
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Post by LokisMom on Jan 31, 2024 22:57:15 GMT 1
Captain's Log. Stardate 4768.3. The Enterprise is in orbit above a planet whose surface, our sensors tell us, is devoid of all life, a world destroyed and dead for at least a half million years. Yet from it comes a voice, the energy of pure thought, telling us something has survived here for those thousands of centuries.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Feb 1, 2024 4:19:23 GMT 1
Can't say that quite just yet. If I don't think I'll enjoy something, or have the time and patience for it, I'll simply skip it and move on.
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Post by Merv on Feb 1, 2024 15:56:19 GMT 1
In all honesty…this is a perfect year to take a break from the McU. The only movie will be Deadpool 3 and I don’t even know what tv shows are planned but if ever the season was ripe for a Hall Pass this is it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 7, 2024 0:56:04 GMT 1
I have lost almost all interest in the MCU. Because it is such a shit show. Its lacking in cohesion overall and with all the delays and recasts I have a real hard time staying invested as I once did. That doesnt mean I stop watching it or dont enjoy the occassional individual project. But the excitement of the build up is really missing. And that was what made the MCU unique. Im fully in this boat as well as LDMs that its this interaction and it is not unrecoverable. There’s just no hook. I even strongly think they could easily get away with some very independent projects going on that have nothing to do with any overarching plot but still reside in the same world. But they still need some driving force and for whatever reason that hasn’t happened. Supposedly it’s Kang but not really. I mean even if Meyers was still around, what exactly are we waiting on? What’s the plot? And what does any of this have to do with it?
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Feb 7, 2024 1:33:13 GMT 1
I have lost almost all interest in the MCU. Because it is such a shit show. Its lacking in cohesion overall and with all the delays and recasts I have a real hard time staying invested as I once did. That doesnt mean I stop watching it or dont enjoy the occassional individual project. But the excitement of the build up is really missing. And that was what made the MCU unique. Im fully in this boat as well as LDMs that its this interaction and it is not unrecoverable. There’s just no hook. I even strongly think they could easily get away with some very independent projects going on that have nothing to do with any overarching plot but still reside in the same world. But they still need some driving force and for whatever reason that hasn’t happened. Supposedly it’s Kang but not really. I mean even if Meyers was still around, what exactly are we waiting on? What’s the plot? And what does any of this have to do with it? I think all they all needed was some indication of who/what the Avengers were going to be going forward. Just provide some foundation for it. I don’t even think they needed to set up a villain.
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Post by Merv on Feb 7, 2024 1:35:24 GMT 1
I have lost almost all interest in the MCU. Because it is such a shit show. Its lacking in cohesion overall and with all the delays and recasts I have a real hard time staying invested as I once did. That doesnt mean I stop watching it or dont enjoy the occassional individual project. But the excitement of the build up is really missing. And that was what made the MCU unique. Im fully in this boat as well as LDMs that its this interaction and it is not unrecoverable. There’s just no hook. I even strongly think they could easily get away with some very independent projects going on that have nothing to do with any overarching plot but still reside in the same world. But they still need some driving force and for whatever reason that hasn’t happened. Supposedly it’s Kang but not really. I mean even if Meyers was still around, what exactly are we waiting on? What’s the plot? And what does any of this have to do with it? I think it was definitely going to be Kang...but as such is for the luck of the MCU lately several factors have gone against them and their timeline including Majors conviction and the actors and writers strike forcing delays. I haven't heard if theyre planning on keeping the Kang character around or if they're sidelining him but they should make the decision asap because they are planning an Avengers 5 release in 2 years.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 7, 2024 2:13:09 GMT 1
Im fully in this boat as well as LDMs that its this interaction and it is not unrecoverable. There’s just no hook. I even strongly think they could easily get away with some very independent projects going on that have nothing to do with any overarching plot but still reside in the same world. But they still need some driving force and for whatever reason that hasn’t happened. Supposedly it’s Kang but not really. I mean even if Meyers was still around, what exactly are we waiting on? What’s the plot? And what does any of this have to do with it? I think all they all needed was some indication of who/what the Avengers were going to be going forward. Just provide some foundation for it. I don’t even think they needed to set up a villain. this is what I’m talking about. Who is the main cast at this point? I need to feel the story of the team going on
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Feb 7, 2024 2:16:37 GMT 1
I think all they all needed was some indication of who/what the Avengers were going to be going forward. Just provide some foundation for it. I don’t even think they needed to set up a villain. this is what I’m talking about. Who is the main cast at this point? I need to feel the story of the team going on It’s crazy they neglected to do this. Lots of Phase 4 movies reference the blip but none reference the actual state of the AVENGERS. Should’ve had Cap 4 out way sooner or at least had someone mention the future of the team. Could have at least built towards smaller teams like Midnight Suns.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 7, 2024 12:25:26 GMT 1
this is what I’m talking about. Who is the main cast at this point? I need to feel the story of the team going on It’s crazy they neglected to do this. Lots of Phase 4 movies reference the blip but none reference the actual state of the AVENGERS. Should’ve had Cap 4 out way sooner or at least had someone mention the future of the team. Could have at least built towards smaller teams like Midnight Suns. My take is one of the underlying themes should be that there is no team if there is no team. Do little team ups on that premise which would play in great to the Marvel Team Up series for instance. IDK. I mean they aren’t sunk or anything. They havent made anything that’s a disaster. They could still do this, it’s just, let’s get going already. If they came out tomorrow with a big hook I’d be in
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Feb 7, 2024 12:38:44 GMT 1
this is what I’m talking about. Who is the main cast at this point? I need to feel the story of the team going on It’s crazy they neglected to do this. Lots of Phase 4 movies reference the blip but none reference the actual state of the AVENGERS. Should’ve had Cap 4 out way sooner or at least had someone mention the future of the team. Could have at least built towards smaller teams like Midnight Suns. Honestly i've always wonder if Disney+ wasn't a thing, would Falcon and the Winter Soldier the premise of Captain America 4? Like it would make sense from a post Endgame story with the government wanting a Captain America they can control and Sam debating about whether or not he's the right choice to carry on the legacy of Captain America.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Feb 7, 2024 17:59:24 GMT 1
It’s crazy they neglected to do this. Lots of Phase 4 movies reference the blip but none reference the actual state of the AVENGERS. Should’ve had Cap 4 out way sooner or at least had someone mention the future of the team. Could have at least built towards smaller teams like Midnight Suns. Honestly i've always wonder if Disney+ wasn't a thing, would Falcon and the Winter Soldier the premise of Captain America 4? Like it would make sense from a post Endgame story with the government wanting a Captain America they can control and Sam debating about whether or not he's the right choice to carry on the legacy of Captain America. Would’ve been a good choice to kick off Phase 4. Honestly though I couldn’t get past episode one of that show. Both characters just came off as flat and one dimensional. Doing another halfway Avengers movie like Civil War with Cap 4 would’ve been another way to go.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Feb 7, 2024 18:03:03 GMT 1
It’s crazy they neglected to do this. Lots of Phase 4 movies reference the blip but none reference the actual state of the AVENGERS. Should’ve had Cap 4 out way sooner or at least had someone mention the future of the team. Could have at least built towards smaller teams like Midnight Suns. My take is one of the underlying themes should be that there is no team if there is no team. Do little team ups on that premise which would play in great to the Marvel Team Up series for instance. IDK. I mean they aren’t sunk or anything. They havent made anything that’s a disaster. They could still do this, it’s just, let’s get going already. If they came out tomorrow with a big hook I’d be in And that was right there in front of them too! Blade and Moonknight movies lead to Midnight Suns starring Cumberbatch. A cosmic team up with Carol, Thor and Rocket etc. (Annihilators?). And a street level Avengers movie with Sam, Spidey, Ant Man, etc in the form of Cap 4. BAM! An epic Phase 4!
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