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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 16, 2024 19:49:13 GMT 1
No big shocker there. Honestly they probably never should made Ant Man 3 or Captain Marvel 2. I think they're missing the point of their own success. The post Endgame MCU world is too difficult to follow. Endgame took it to the threshold of what the casual audience can follow. I hate the term casual audience but in this case it fits. Remembering who's dead and who's from another timeline and who died before the snap so they can't come back is exhausting.
I don't think it's because of a bunch of missteps, but rather the fundamental conclusion that Disney/MCU is preferring to ignore, which is that everything ends. It's too selfish for me to want to continue even when the movies aren't so bad. They're not letting the story be done despite the fact it was done years ago. It's a turn-off.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Mar 17, 2024 1:14:06 GMT 1
No big shocker there. Honestly they probably never should made Ant Man 3 or Captain Marvel 2. I think they're missing the point of their own success. The post Endgame MCU world is too difficult to follow. Endgame took it to the threshold of what the casual audience can follow. I hate the term casual audience but in this case it fits. Remembering who's dead and who's from another timeline and who died before the snap so they can't come back is exhausting.
I don't think it's because of a bunch of missteps, but rather the fundamental conclusion that Disney/MCU is preferring to ignore, which is that everything ends. It's too selfish for me to want to continue even when the movies aren't so bad. They're not letting the story be done despite the fact it was done years ago. It's a turn-off.
I think thatâs largely true, and Feige probably realized it which is why everything has been so directionless. At the same time though it wouldâve been a shame to leave some of the individual series unfinished. For example, I think it made sense to continue with Dr Strange movies. To just have one and not allow a full trilogy wouldâve been a shame. Of course, by continuing individual series there would be the expectation of a shared universe. In any case, smaller scale was the way to goâ and a dozen new characters plus a confusing AF multiverse was, in retrospect, probably the worst possible route to go.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 18, 2024 21:20:44 GMT 1
I think they're missing the point of their own success. The post Endgame MCU world is too difficult to follow. Endgame took it to the threshold of what the casual audience can follow. I hate the term casual audience but in this case it fits. Remembering who's dead and who's from another timeline and who died before the snap so they can't come back is exhausting.
I don't think it's because of a bunch of missteps, but rather the fundamental conclusion that Disney/MCU is preferring to ignore, which is that everything ends. It's too selfish for me to want to continue even when the movies aren't so bad. They're not letting the story be done despite the fact it was done years ago. It's a turn-off.
I think thatâs largely true, and Feige probably realized it which is why everything has been so directionless. At the same time though it wouldâve been a shame to leave some of the individual series unfinished. For example, I think it made sense to continue with Dr Strange movies. To just have one and not allow a full trilogy wouldâve been a shame. Of course, by continuing individual series there would be the expectation of a shared universe. In any case, smaller scale was the way to goâ and a dozen new characters plus a confusing AF multiverse was, in retrospect, probably the worst possible route to go. It does kind of seem like a shame to leave some of them unfinished. Dr. Strange especially. I think Benedict Cumberbatch does a really good job.
Did you like No Way Home? I did, but I'm as confused as ever by it because now it seems like one giant universe. Even Across the Spiderverse, which I really liked, threw me by having Donald Glover show up for a second. Across the Spiderverse was one of my favourite films all last year, but that one Donald Glover cameo threw me.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Mar 19, 2024 2:57:43 GMT 1
I think thatâs largely true, and Feige probably realized it which is why everything has been so directionless. At the same time though it wouldâve been a shame to leave some of the individual series unfinished. For example, I think it made sense to continue with Dr Strange movies. To just have one and not allow a full trilogy wouldâve been a shame. Of course, by continuing individual series there would be the expectation of a shared universe. In any case, smaller scale was the way to goâ and a dozen new characters plus a confusing AF multiverse was, in retrospect, probably the worst possible route to go. It does kind of seem like a shame to leave some of them unfinished. Dr. Strange especially. I think Benedict Cumberbatch does a really good job.
Did you like No Way Home? I did, but I'm as confused as ever by it because now it seems like one giant universe. Even Across the Spiderverse, which I really liked, threw me by having Donald Glover show up for a second. Across the Spiderverse was one of my favourite films all last year, but that one Donald Glover cameo threw me.
I do like No Way Home. Its very gimmicky but it also doesnât feel cynical like most fan service. It all has such heart. I also was not a fan of Hollandâs first two movies and NWH was a good course correction. Though I think it does pose a problem when the larger MCU wants us to take the multiverse seriously as a concept when it sometimes uses it for pure fan service.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 20, 2024 0:05:32 GMT 1
It does kind of seem like a shame to leave some of them unfinished. Dr. Strange especially. I think Benedict Cumberbatch does a really good job.
Did you like No Way Home? I did, but I'm as confused as ever by it because now it seems like one giant universe. Even Across the Spiderverse, which I really liked, threw me by having Donald Glover show up for a second. Across the Spiderverse was one of my favourite films all last year, but that one Donald Glover cameo threw me.
I do like No Way Home. Its very gimmicky but it also doesnât feel cynical like most fan service. It all has such heart. I also was not a fan of Hollandâs first two movies and NWH was a good course correction. Though I think it does pose a problem when the larger MCU wants us to take the multiverse seriously as a concept when it sometimes uses it for pure fan service. That's how I feel. NWH was the only MCU Spiderman movie I really liked. I saw it in the theater and I really enjoyed it. I don't like fan service either, but when Willem Dafoe said "you know, I'm something of a scientist myself" I loved it. Normally I would have cringed beyond belief. I might have if I wasn't in a better mood. Instead I was more like this baby:
Then this baby by the end:
I have not seen The Marvels yet. Been super slow on that uptake. The one I'm really waiting for is Deadpool 3, which I've mixed feelings about being an MCU property. I liked it as its own thing.
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Mar 20, 2024 0:47:34 GMT 1
I do like No Way Home. Its very gimmicky but it also doesnât feel cynical like most fan service. It all has such heart. I also was not a fan of Hollandâs first two movies and NWH was a good course correction. Though I think it does pose a problem when the larger MCU wants us to take the multiverse seriously as a concept when it sometimes uses it for pure fan service. That's how I feel. NWH was the only MCU Spiderman movie I really liked. I saw it in the theater and I really enjoyed it. I don't like fan service either, but when Willem Dafoe said "you know, I'm something of a scientist myself" I loved it. Normally I would have cringed beyond belief. I might have if I wasn't in a better mood. Instead I was more like this baby:
Then this baby by the end:
I have not seen The Marvels yet. Been super slow on that uptake. The one I'm really waiting for is Deadpool 3, which I've mixed feelings about being an MCU property. I liked it as its own thing.
Yeah it has a great sense of fun about it. Very pandering to fans but for some reason it works. I especially dislike Hollandâs second movie. Itâs such a weightless teen comedy- so seeing his character actually deal with some heavy stuff, like the death of May and other actual sacrifices was a step in the right direction. Unfortunately I cannot recommend The Marvels. I think it may very well be the worst MCU movie. Its the culmination of literally everything wrong with the latest MCU movies (obvious reshoots, bad editing, terrible characters) as well as some of the problems that have plagued the franchise since Phase One (weak villains, forced comedy)
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 21, 2024 1:23:45 GMT 1
That's how I feel. NWH was the only MCU Spiderman movie I really liked. I saw it in the theater and I really enjoyed it. I don't like fan service either, but when Willem Dafoe said "you know, I'm something of a scientist myself" I loved it. Normally I would have cringed beyond belief. I might have if I wasn't in a better mood. Instead I was more like this baby:
Then this baby by the end:
I have not seen The Marvels yet. Been super slow on that uptake. The one I'm really waiting for is Deadpool 3, which I've mixed feelings about being an MCU property. I liked it as its own thing.
Yeah it has a great sense of fun about it. Very pandering to fans but for some reason it works. I especially dislike Hollandâs second movie. Itâs such a weightless teen comedy- so seeing his character actually deal with some heavy stuff, like the death of May and other actual sacrifices was a step in the right direction. Unfortunately I cannot recommend The Marvels. I think it may very well be the worst MCU movie. Its the culmination of literally everything wrong with the latest MCU movies (obvious reshoots, bad editing, terrible characters) as well as some of the problems that have plagued the franchise since Phase One (weak villains, forced comedy) I think that's the best thing about No Way Home. It pandered and was thick on the fan service, yet it just worked. I guess it earned it. For some reason, like you said, it just worked. I'm good with "for some reason". I couldn't figure out why I liked it so much, and that made me just like it more. I also saw it not long after theaters were reopened post-lock down.
I meant to tell you in the recently watched movies thread that Tenet was the first movie I watched in a theater when the lock downs were lifted. Whatever there is to say about that movie, I'll always enjoy the experience of watching it in a theater because of the circumstances. There were like 5 people in the theater besides me on a dark Wednesday night; just how I like it. I even saved the ticket stub for sentimental value.
That's too bad about The Marvels. On the plus side the new X-Men 97 series premiers today if you're into that sort of thing. My house has a Disney + account, which I do not particularly condone because they don't really need my money, but since it's here and it's someone else' money paying for it I might as well use it.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 7, 2024 15:20:07 GMT 1
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 8, 2024 15:48:23 GMT 1
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 10, 2024 16:56:39 GMT 1
Another issue. As of now it looks like there is going to be 16 MCU movies in between Endgame and Avengers 5 without even counting the TV shows. That's way too many.
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Post by Merv on May 10, 2024 18:41:15 GMT 1
Another issue. As of now it looks like there is going to be 16 MCU movies in between Endgame and Avengers 5 without even counting the TV shows. That's way too many. Just for comparison there was 4 movies between Avenger 1 and Avengers 2.
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Post by primemcgee on May 11, 2024 1:04:13 GMT 1
The superhero cycle has burned out. Deadpool is satire right? Once you get to the Airplane! treatment, you can't go back to Burt Lancaster.
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Post by Grandmaster on May 11, 2024 7:56:07 GMT 1
We'll see. I dont know where I stepped of the hype train exactly but I really did. Im no longer in a hurry to watch new content. The Deadpool movie I couldnt care less about. And I think its the lack of planning that is what killed my curiosity. I can live with an outing that is lesser in quality, I mean Im also a Star Wars fan even after te prequels, but to have that and no longer what made the MCU great is really too much of a bad thing.
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