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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Sept 17, 2023 13:47:05 GMT 1
Well, I never thought I'd skip episodes of a series like Secret Invasion and just give up on it. Dont know what's going and dont really care-all we can do is speculate with the decline in quality and direction. Just look at Adam Warlock too. I didnt mind him but fuck that shouldve been a shotgun blast not some water pistol..
I believe it's still salvageable but I'd be ok with a reboot too (soft or otherwise)
They shouldve made the tv shows their own self-contained stories imo. It's clear they cant handle it all properly re one big universe. Too many cooks spoil the broth or something. The Infinity Saga was already very ambitious, it was on borrowed time after that I guess. Not like it was perfect either though. Hindsight is 20/20 right?
So what's going on with these characters?
-Sharon Carter -who's the next Black Panther? -I think Ironheart, Echo and Wonder Man are now all cancelled? Also Daredevil? I cant remember the details. She-Hulk shouldnt be renewed-just let it become an embarrassing bad memory fading into the abyss -White Vision -Is Wanda really dead? -Mephisto going to show up still? Apparently Sacha? Was it real? -I really wonder how Deadpool and Wolverine are going to join the team now lol -Fantastic 4 coming up -as already mentioned Kang and the actor's legal problems. Also wasnt there some problem with Namor's actor too? -Blade delayed -Eternals and the Black Knight -Moon Knight-where does he fit in exactly? -Rhodey -Overpowered skrull girl -Red Skull just you know in the aether hanging out lol -Baron Zemo, also is Strucker or Hydra still around? I hope Valentina is an awesome character-the female anti Nick Fury -problem of different multiverses/timelines -star lord will return -thor and his de facto daughter (movie no. 5) -shang chi, those rings and their origin -new guardians -portal girl
A lot to take into account and I feel like Im still missing some things
Is anyone here going to watch Captain Marvel 2 on the silver screen? Honestly at this point, I really dont know if Im going to or not
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Sept 17, 2023 21:37:43 GMT 1
Well, I never thought I'd skip episodes of a series like Secret Invasion and just give up on it. Dont know what's going and dont really care-all we can do is speculate with the decline in quality and direction. Just look at Adam Warlock too. I didnt mind him but fuck that shouldve been a shotgun blast not some water pistol.. I believe it's still salvageable but I'd be ok with a reboot too (soft or otherwise) They shouldve made the tv shows their own self-contained stories imo. It's clear they cant handle it all properly re one big universe. Too many cooks spoil the broth or something. The Infinity Saga was already very ambitious, it was on borrowed time after that I guess. Not like it was perfect either though. Hindsight is 20/20 right? So what's going on with these characters? -Sharon Carter -who's the next Black Panther? -I think Ironheart, Echo and Wonder Man are now all cancelled? Also Daredevil? I cant remember the details. She-Hulk shouldnt be renewed-just let it become an embarrassing bad memory fading into the abyss -White Vision -Is Wanda really dead? -Mephisto going to show up still? Apparently Sacha? Was it real? -I really wonder how Deadpool and Wolverine are going to join the team now lol -Fantastic 4 coming up -as already mentioned Kang and the actor's legal problems. Also wasnt there some problem with Namor's actor too? -Blade delayed -Eternals and the Black Knight -Moon Knight-where does he fit in exactly? -Rhodey -Overpowered skrull girl -Red Skull just you know in the aether hanging out lol -Baron Zemo, also is Strucker or Hydra still around? I hope Valentina is an awesome character-the female anti Nick Fury -problem of different multiverses/timelines -star lord will return -thor and his de facto daughter (movie no. 5) -shang chi, those rings and their origin -new guardians -portal girl A lot to take into account and I feel like Im still missing some things Is anyone here going to watch Captain Marvel 2 on the silver screen? Honestly at this point, I really dont know if Im going to or not And since you don't have the option of doing so on DVD anywhere, the fact you're considering taking a pass on seeing it in theaters says a lot.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 18, 2023 4:25:11 GMT 1
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Post by Merv on Sept 18, 2023 10:40:51 GMT 1
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Sept 18, 2023 12:16:15 GMT 1
I just like feeling vindicated. I've said multiple times in the past that something like this would eventually happen.
Some fans need to realize that no property is bulletproof.
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Post by Merv on Sept 18, 2023 14:05:50 GMT 1
I just like feeling vindicated. I've said multiple times in the past that something like this would eventually happen. Some fans need to realize that no property is bulletproof. All empires fall eventually.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Sept 18, 2023 14:36:31 GMT 1
I just like feeling vindicated. I've said multiple times in the past that something like this would eventually happen. Some fans need to realize that no property is bulletproof. What's the big deal anyway? It will eventually fail somehow..Nostradamus over here
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Sept 18, 2023 14:38:40 GMT 1
Well, I never thought I'd skip episodes of a series like Secret Invasion and just give up on it. Dont know what's going and dont really care-all we can do is speculate with the decline in quality and direction. Just look at Adam Warlock too. I didnt mind him but fuck that shouldve been a shotgun blast not some water pistol.. I believe it's still salvageable but I'd be ok with a reboot too (soft or otherwise) They shouldve made the tv shows their own self-contained stories imo. It's clear they cant handle it all properly re one big universe. Too many cooks spoil the broth or something. The Infinity Saga was already very ambitious, it was on borrowed time after that I guess. Not like it was perfect either though. Hindsight is 20/20 right? So what's going on with these characters? -Sharon Carter -who's the next Black Panther? -I think Ironheart, Echo and Wonder Man are now all cancelled? Also Daredevil? I cant remember the details. She-Hulk shouldnt be renewed-just let it become an embarrassing bad memory fading into the abyss -White Vision -Is Wanda really dead? -Mephisto going to show up still? Apparently Sacha? Was it real? -I really wonder how Deadpool and Wolverine are going to join the team now lol -Fantastic 4 coming up -as already mentioned Kang and the actor's legal problems. Also wasnt there some problem with Namor's actor too? -Blade delayed -Eternals and the Black Knight -Moon Knight-where does he fit in exactly? -Rhodey -Overpowered skrull girl -Red Skull just you know in the aether hanging out lol -Baron Zemo, also is Strucker or Hydra still around? I hope Valentina is an awesome character-the female anti Nick Fury -problem of different multiverses/timelines -star lord will return -thor and his de facto daughter (movie no. 5) -shang chi, those rings and their origin -new guardians -portal girl A lot to take into account and I feel like Im still missing some things Is anyone here going to watch Captain Marvel 2 on the silver screen? Honestly at this point, I really dont know if Im going to or not And since you don't have the option of doing so on DVD anywhere, the fact you're considering taking a pass on seeing it in theaters says a lot. Lol I actually forgot about this development. Meh I stopped buying dvds ages ago, not because of streaming either. Just kinda stopped
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Sept 18, 2023 15:20:47 GMT 1
I just like feeling vindicated. I've said multiple times in the past that something like this would eventually happen. Some fans need to realize that no property is bulletproof. What's the big deal anyway? It will eventually fail somehow..Nostradamus over here It matters to me because of all the bullshit I went through on imdbv2 and knowhere!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 18, 2023 16:51:19 GMT 1
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 18, 2023 17:17:11 GMT 1
I just like feeling vindicated. I've said multiple times in the past that something like this would eventually happen. Some fans need to realize that no property is bulletproof. What's the big deal anyway? It will eventually fail somehow..Nostradamus over here I don't get that attitude; it's counterproductive and self-serving. It mostly comes from the need to be proven right, even if it means you need to poke a comatose patient with a stick every day until they're actually dead. If I predict that there will be an earthquake in Japan, a place that is widely known for earthquakes, that doesn't necessarily make me clairvoyant. It just means I'm in possession of some common sense. And I certainly wouldn't feel a sense of vindication at a funeral for a much-beloved property. In any event, before I earn my highly touted reputation as a drama queen, let me say that even in the case of the DCEU, which is far more deserving of having been read the last rights, I'd never stomp on its grave. These characters and stories mean something to many people, and they deserve better than watching corporate pirates slowly run their fandom into the ground. And with DC, it's been agonizingly slow.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 18, 2023 22:40:21 GMT 1
And since you don't have the option of doing so on DVD anywhere, the fact you're considering taking a pass on seeing it in theaters says a lot. Lol I actually forgot about this development. Meh I stopped buying dvds ages ago, not because of streaming either. Just kinda stopped If you care, the Mandalorian, Loki, and WandaVision are headed to Blu-ray. Strong indicators support that the Falcon & the Winter Soldier will follow shortly. MCU theatrical releases typically end up on Blu-ray, so I'm wondering why we'd feel insecure about that - unless we're distinguishing between DVDs and Blu-rays. Blu-Ray sales shrank 20% between 2019 and 2021 - it's not a mystery why companies are hesitant to invest in physical media.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Sept 19, 2023 3:55:05 GMT 1
I just like feeling vindicated. I've said multiple times in the past that something like this would eventually happen. Some fans need to realize that no property is bulletproof. All empires fall eventually. Until they rise from the ashes like a phoenix...force...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 19, 2023 14:53:56 GMT 1
All empires fall eventually. Until they rise from the ashes like a phoenix...force... For as much as they've already done, they've still got a lot of popular properties and characters to adapt.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Sept 23, 2023 23:20:54 GMT 1
I never thought the MCU was 'the greatest cinematic achievement ever' like some others did. Hell, I didn't even like the first few movies that kickstarted it (ie. the Iron Man films - though I preferred The Incredible Hulk to Hulk). It wasn't until 2011's Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger that I saw something I actually liked/ enjoyed - they were what got me into the MCU. Unfortunately, they didn't seem as well-liked as the IM films and thus there weren't more films like those ones I enjoyed. Every so often an MCU film would be released that I liked (though none ever reached the same heights as those first two films I enjoyed). There were MCU films I liked and ones I didn't. The ones I was interested in I saw at the theatre, the ones I wasn't interested in I waited until they were on TV to watch. Because I never thought that every film out of the MCU was 'high quality' and it was 'hit and miss' for me even in the early Phases, I guess that's why there's not this supposed 'dramatic drop in quality' for me regarding the current Phases. It's always been a case of, some were 'great', some were 'good', some were 'average' and some were 'crap' as far as I was concerned. That really hasn't changed for me, since I've found films of those varying degrees of quality even in the modern Phases of the MCU. Therefore, it's just more of the same - some films I'll enjoy, others I won't. Just like I couldn't be 'made' to see why the much-lauded MCU films were so 'great', there's nothing that can 'make' me believe that the MCU is suddenly 'terrible'...as it's pretty much the same as it's always been for me personally.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Sept 23, 2023 23:53:09 GMT 1
Chalice_Of_Evil, Fair assessment. I can see why you were reluctant to write it out, though. A younger me from five years ago would have been less understanding, much to current me's chagrin. I don't think the MCU films individually are the greatest things ever made, but I was really impressed by the whole they made up and how well Marvel Studios was able to cross them over and keep it the momentum going.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 25, 2023 11:55:11 GMT 1
BTW - I still contend the MCU through the Infinity Saga is the greatest cinematic achievement ever. Never been done before, and the vision it took to even attempt it, and the follow through level of commitment it took to roll out 23 films, that work together, with a consistent fairly high quality, over a relatively short period of time, to globe spanning embrace, simply is like nothing ever seen. The achievement of accomplishing that, is far beyond any single better film or anything else I can name and I’ll always appreciate it for its existence.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Sept 25, 2023 13:03:09 GMT 1
I think Infinity Saga definitely earned it's well deserved praise. But I still think people probably gave Feige too much credit for it's success.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Sept 25, 2023 15:35:42 GMT 1
I think Infinity Saga definitely earned it's well deserved praise. But I still think people probably gave Feige too much credit for it's success. Yep. Like I said in an earlier post, it is obvious that Jon Favreau, Joss Whedon, and the others Phase 1 directors did A LOT to lay the groundwork, set the tone, and and the standards for the rest of the series. Then Feige struck gold twice more with Gunn and the Russos.
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Post by primemcgee on Sept 25, 2023 22:35:47 GMT 1
If this is true about Secret Wars--that they are doing a swan song (again), it suggests they aren't confident they will seek to do another reboot. Because they could do that in the Secret Wars too--if they don't then perhaps that feel the superhero cycle is going out.
Logically--hiring new people would make more sense if they want to continue. A springboard. Unless they plan a CGI solution and replacing actors with cgi ones. I am betting they will reduce the focus on superhero movies.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Oct 25, 2023 3:04:02 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 27, 2023 11:24:06 GMT 1
I still think their biggest mistake has been not establishing something to hold traction. Cornerstones were meant to follow. How is Sam not showing up? Where is Shang Chi at? Now they started to get Yelena going in a few different projects and thats exactly what I’m talking about, but it needs to be more of that.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Oct 27, 2023 12:28:28 GMT 1
On the plus side if they do reboot the MCU they will have a blueprint to build off of. Going by what worked and what didn't work, hell maybe with the rebooted MCU we will see a better version of it.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Nov 10, 2023 1:53:08 GMT 1
On the plus side if they do reboot the MCU they will have a blueprint to build off of. Going by what worked and what didn't work, hell maybe with the rebooted MCU we will see a better version of it. They're all replaced by A.I. reproductions.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jan 26, 2024 11:57:15 GMT 1
Wasn’t sure which thread to plop this in
But I was thinking yesterday, after hearing the absolutely rousing avengers theme for the first time in a while, which still gives me a tear btw, that what they should have done was have relatively isolated stories, but with a theme of there is no united avengers team, few experienced heros, and a consequent surge in successful villains which ultimately leads to new avengers forced to come together and that rousing theme holding value once more
How’s that for a run on sentence?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 21, 2024 18:22:37 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 22, 2024 0:09:53 GMT 1
just read this. Thanks for the share and I love this theme. “They’re not giving up. They want to make something great” And I think they still can. They haven’t buried themselves. They haven’t made a disaster from a story perspective. They can still find a creative hook that brings us all back along for the ride. And honestly if they can pull that off again it would be quite the story in itself.
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Post by primemcgee on Feb 22, 2024 0:36:29 GMT 1
I think they should abandon the multiverse and connected universe approach and just do single story movies with the most popular characters. I.e. Hulk fighting mutants on an army base in the desert or Spider-man fighting hijackers on a ski resort
Don't even need to have a super villain all the time either.
The Fantastic Four casting is poor--think like Roger Corman--do the basics instead. But they won't. Too many cooks. Too many ingredients.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Mar 15, 2024 17:14:08 GMT 1
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Post by WOLVERINE JACK! on Mar 16, 2024 19:19:13 GMT 1
No big shocker there. Honestly they probably never should made Ant Man 3 or Captain Marvel 2.
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