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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 26, 2022 2:39:12 GMT 1
I honestly have no idea what most of you are talking about. If you think I mean your post, you’re probably right
Anyway, back to the actual show, it looks like Planet Hulk is actually going to take place on Sakaar after all and I really can’t imagine how it doesn’t in large part follow the planet hulk storyline that hasn’t been covered yet. And that’s awesome!!!
I’m loving Jen. I can’t wait to see how conflicted she gets about what’s she’s doing and if what she does results in consequences she had to clean up. Do we believe Abomination? He made a damn good case. What else sneaks in here? Does Jen start seeking out other Avengers? Why exactly did Wong drag Abomination to the fighting ring? When does Madame Hydra come after Emil?
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 26, 2022 4:53:30 GMT 1
I honestly have no idea what most of you are talking about. If you think I mean your post, you’re probably right Anyway, back to the actual show, it looks like Planet Hulk is actually going to take place on Sakaar after all and I really can’t imagine how it doesn’t in large part follow the planet hulk storyline that hasn’t been covered yet. And that’s awesome!!! I’m loving Jen. I can’t wait to see how conflicted she gets about what’s she’s doing and if what she does results in consequences she had to clean up. Do we believe Abomination? He made a damn good case. What else sneaks in here? Does Jen start seeking out other Avengers? Why exactly did Wong drag Abomination to the fighting ring? When does Madame Hydra come after Emil? Join the show saturday and find out...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 26, 2022 6:36:31 GMT 1
Thoughts on the social politics of this show? I noticed over at Knowhere that there were some strong opinions on this from taylorfirst1 AQUA RAPTOR! and LokisMom . Let’s spark some of those fireworks over here, shall we? 😈 Sorry, but Lokismom told me I'm not allowed to say anything about the show, ever, even though I'm just concerned about how the female characters are being treated at Marvel Studios. I guess I could talk about how I'm irked that they turned She-Hulk, an interesting character with her own story, struggles, and overarcing themes into monogenous representation of all ladykind who deals with women's issues at large instead of her own individual issues and story from the comics. I guess I could talk about how I feel that may end up actually setting female led properties back if they're treated like they always have to make gender social commentary to the point of it being a detriment to the main character, instead of focusing on the baked-in social commentaries from the original comics. But hey, they've left all of She-Hulk's actual social commentary to the wayside, which was more about Jenn coming out of her shell and learning to be more confident, assertive, and about her taking control of her life. But I when I expressed this concern, I got accused of wanting women to be second class citizens and subservient to men because I have issues with this aspect of how She-Hulk was handled in her first episode. Far be from me to question the iron hammer of feminism when someone like Lokismom has such an obvious chip on her shoulder which made her shoot first and not ask any questions about what I might have meant. It was better for her to just assume a horrible, mongoloid man like me was complaining about a woman being given a series at all. Yet taylorfirst1 and I have not received a reply from her, and I'm especially interested in hearing what she has to say about the male led MCU entries not having to be about men's issues, but can just be about the personal journeys of their main characters, instead. Marvel has a woman problem, even more so than an alleged villain problem. To paraphrase a quote I read, 'not every Marvel female character is written the same, but many of them have surprising similarities.' When you try to write a woman as the embodiment of female suffering, they become archetypes defined only by how much harder everything is for them. Many of the MCU's female characters spend a good amount of their character arc trying to step out of the shadow of male authority; the Wasp and Hank, Pepper and Tony, Captain Marvel and Yon Rogg, Monica Rambeau and Tyler Hayward, Nebula/Gamora and Thanos, etc. Wanda and Natasha seem to have the most agency, but even they can sometimes be totems to female suffering. Both are deliberately denied the ability to have a family through infertility or mental instability. The Dora Milaje - not surprisingly - seems immune to these issues. Their focus on honor and service to their monarch and country makes them more than just the product of inequality between the sexes. It may not quite rise to the level of a "problem," but it is noteworthy. Marvel should be grateful that their female actors are typically so talented they can usually transcend these issues with great performances. Titania seems like a fun character who is somewhat petty and conceited and isn't afraid to break down your door to get what she wants. I'm hoping that she isn't mired down in gender-related problems. Good show so far, but I have to say the toxic discussion is wearing me down a bit.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Aug 26, 2022 6:41:49 GMT 1
Sorry, but Lokismom told me I'm not allowed to say anything about the show, ever, even though I'm just concerned about how the female characters are being treated at Marvel Studios. I guess I could talk about how I'm irked that they turned She-Hulk, an interesting character with her own story, struggles, and overarcing themes into monogenous representation of all ladykind who deals with women's issues at large instead of her own individual issues and story from the comics. I guess I could talk about how I feel that may end up actually setting female led properties back if they're treated like they always have to make gender social commentary to the point of it being a detriment to the main character, instead of focusing on the baked-in social commentaries from the original comics. But hey, they've left all of She-Hulk's actual social commentary to the wayside, which was more about Jenn coming out of her shell and learning to be more confident, assertive, and about her taking control of her life. But I when I expressed this concern, I got accused of wanting women to be second class citizens and subservient to men because I have issues with this aspect of how She-Hulk was handled in her first episode. Far be from me to question the iron hammer of feminism when someone like Lokismom has such an obvious chip on her shoulder which made her shoot first and not ask any questions about what I might have meant. It was better for her to just assume a horrible, mongoloid man like me was complaining about a woman being given a series at all. Yet taylorfirst1 and I have not received a reply from her, and I'm especially interested in hearing what she has to say about the male led MCU entries not having to be about men's issues, but can just be about the personal journeys of their main characters, instead. Marvel has a woman problem, even more so than an alleged villain problem. To paraphrase a quote I read, 'not every Marvel female character is written the same, but many of them have surprising similarities.' When you try to write a woman as the embodiment of female suffering, they become archetypes defined only by how much harder everything is for them. Many of the MCU's female characters spend a good amount of their character arc trying to step out of the shadow of male authority; the Wasp and Hank, Pepper and Tony, Captain Marvel and Yon Rogg, Monica Rambeau and Tyler Hayward, Nebula/Gamora and Thanos, etc. Wanda and Natasha seem to have the most agency, but even they can sometimes be totems to female suffering. Both are deliberately denied the ability to have a family through infertility or mental instability. The Dora Milaje - not surprisingly - seems immune to these issues. Their focus on honor and service to their monarch and country makes them more than just the product of inequality between the sexes. It may not quite rise to the level of a "problem," but it is noteworthy. Marvel should be grateful that their female actors are typically so talented they can usually transcend these issues with great performances. Titania seems like a fun character who is somewhat petty and conceited and isn't afraid to break down your door to get what she wants. I'm hoping that she isn't mired down in gender-related problems. Good show so far, but I have to say the toxic discussion is wearing me down a bit. Thank you for not shooting down my criticisms of this issue, and for being civil about it.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 26, 2022 7:03:09 GMT 1
Marvel has a woman problem, even more so than an alleged villain problem. To paraphrase a quote I read, 'not every Marvel female character is written the same, but many of them have surprising similarities.' When you try to write a woman as the embodiment of female suffering, they become archetypes defined only by how much harder everything is for them. Many of the MCU's female characters spend a good amount of their character arc trying to step out of the shadow of male authority; the Wasp and Hank, Pepper and Tony, Captain Marvel and Yon Rogg, Monica Rambeau and Tyler Hayward, Nebula/Gamora and Thanos, etc. Wanda and Natasha seem to have the most agency, but even they can sometimes be totems to female suffering. Both are deliberately denied the ability to have a family through infertility or mental instability. The Dora Milaje - not surprisingly - seems immune to these issues. Their focus on honor and service to their monarch and country makes them more than just the product of inequality between the sexes. It may not quite rise to the level of a "problem," but it is noteworthy. Marvel should be grateful that their female actors are typically so talented they can usually transcend these issues with great performances. Titania seems like a fun character who is somewhat petty and conceited and isn't afraid to break down your door to get what she wants. I'm hoping that she isn't mired down in gender-related problems. Good show so far, but I have to say the toxic discussion is wearing me down a bit. Thank you for not shooting down my criticisms of this issue, and for being civil about it. Being civil is the easy part. Being honest and constructive is the challenge. Jen feels like a character that is set up to succeed. She'll have her own unique personality, ambitions and issues that aren't overshadowed by the hardships of being female. She already has the honor of being the horniest superhero in the MCU… good for her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 10:32:17 GMT 1
Thoughts on the social politics of this show? I noticed over at Knowhere that there were some strong opinions on this from taylorfirst1 AQUA RAPTOR! and LokisMom . Let’s spark some of those fireworks over here, shall we? 😈 Sorry, but Lokismom told me I'm not allowed to say anything about the show, ever, even though I'm just concerned about how the female characters are being treated at Marvel Studios. I guess I could talk about how I'm irked that they turned She-Hulk, an interesting character with her own story, struggles, and overarcing themes into monogenous representation of all ladykind who deals with women's issues at large instead of her own individual issues and story from the comics. I guess I could talk about how I feel that may end up actually setting female led properties back if they're treated like they always have to make gender social commentary to the point of it being a detriment to the main character, instead of focusing on the baked-in social commentaries from the original comics. But hey, they've left all of She-Hulk's actual social commentary to the wayside, which was more about Jenn coming out of her shell and learning to be more confident, assertive, and about her taking control of her life. But I when I expressed this concern, I got accused of wanting women to be second class citizens and subservient to men because I have issues with this aspect of how She-Hulk was handled in her first episode. Far be from me to question the iron hammer of feminism when someone like Lokismom has such an obvious chip on her shoulder which made her shoot first and not ask any questions about what I might have meant. It was better for her to just assume a horrible, mongoloid man like me was complaining about a woman being given a series at all. Yet taylorfirst1 and I have not received a reply from her, and I'm especially interested in hearing what she has to say about the male led MCU entries not having to be about men's issues, but can just be about the personal journeys of their main characters, instead. Lol yeah that sounds like LokisMom. Im shocked you had the right skin color
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 10:35:21 GMT 1
Fantastic second episode. Cousin Larry is in this!!! We get confirmation that Hulk is Sakaar bound. Shang Chi cage fight reference. The "totally different person" 4th wall break caught me off guard in a good way. If i have one criticism is that it was only 20 minutes or so and I wanted more. Great episode… didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I did. Did you catch the Wolverine reference? Get hype? What was the reference?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 10:40:01 GMT 1
Yeah the ep felt so short, was surprised when it ended. I guess we really are going to get some version of World War Hulk It's awesome how She-Hulk was basically a diversity hire lol. Although there's another superhero lawyer in town Didnt expect her to be linked to the Abomination in that way. It was fresh. Thoughts on the social politics of this show? I noticed over at Knowhere that there were some strong opinions on this from taylorfirst1 AQUA RAPTOR! and LokisMom . I didnt really think about it at first but yeah I kinda have to agree with Team Hulk. He has been through and Ill be technical here leaving no room for confusion, A SHIT LOAD OF CRAP to just be dismissed like that. I blame the writers and their agenda. There's nothing wrong with displaying the female experience and agency but do it in the right way otherwise the result, even if you had good intentions, becomes lost
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 26, 2022 10:50:43 GMT 1
Great episode… didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I did. Did you catch the Wolverine reference? Get hype? What was the reference? It's a freeze-frame-or-you'll-miss-it moment. While Jen is job hunting online, you can see a headline in the sidebar that says "man fights with metal claws in bar brawl." Wolverine is clearly in this universe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 10:54:49 GMT 1
It's a freeze-frame-or-you'll-miss-it moment. While Jen is job hunting online, you can see a headline in the sidebar that says "man fights with metal claws in bar brawl." Wolverine is clearly in this universe. Yeah Im not surprised there was a bar brawl. Exhibit A
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 26, 2022 15:36:07 GMT 1
Episode 2 was fantastic. I was worried about how Blonsky would be portrayed in this show but so far it's going great.
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Post by Merv on Aug 26, 2022 17:53:06 GMT 1
Not to read too much in that Wolverine reference but…this implies Weapon X is already a thing….and if Weapon X is a thing then maybe Wild Child is out there somewhere. Awesome.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Aug 26, 2022 18:19:35 GMT 1
It's a freeze-frame-or-you'll-miss-it moment. While Jen is job hunting online, you can see a headline in the sidebar that says "man fights with metal claws in bar brawl." Wolverine is clearly in this universe. Good eye!
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Aug 26, 2022 18:46:12 GMT 1
It's a freeze-frame-or-you'll-miss-it moment. While Jen is job hunting online, you can see a headline in the sidebar that says "man fights with metal claws in bar brawl." Wolverine is clearly in this universe. Good eye! coulda been freddy krueger tho
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 26, 2022 18:55:27 GMT 1
coulda been freddy krueger tho Setting up for the ultimate crossover! leaked footage of their epic rap battle!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 19:09:01 GMT 1
Boy I’ll tell ya, this show is such an Ally McBeal ripoff- Harrison Ford just proposed to the lead actress!
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Aug 26, 2022 19:15:16 GMT 1
coulda been freddy krueger tho Setting up for the ultimate crossover! leaked footage of their epic rap battle! "That claw is like a strapon, there's a pussy underneath"
The smirk when he said that.
The R. Kelly line too!
I'm a fan of the ERB's. Have been since the el beginning.
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 26, 2022 21:59:31 GMT 1
Jen never said she is better at controling her anger than Bruce. She said she does it constantly and that Bruce was projecting his shit on to her.
People argue about stuff that isnt even in the show because of what they think that has been said.
Its Brie Larson all over again. Marvel deserves better fans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 22:08:51 GMT 1
Jen never said she is better at controling her anger than Bruce. She said she does it constantly and that Bruce was projecting his shit on to her. People argue about stuff that isnt even in the show because of what they think that has been said. Its Brie Larson all over again. Marvel deserves better fans.I’ll tell ya, these MCU fans are so toxic! Vladimir Putin is now using them on Russian journalists!
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 26, 2022 22:11:01 GMT 1
Jen never said she is better at controling her anger than Bruce. She said she does it constantly and that Bruce was projecting his shit on to her. People argue about stuff that isnt even in the show because of what they think that has been said. Its Brie Larson all over again. Marvel deserves better fans.I’ll tell ya, these MCU fans are so toxic! Vladimir Putin is now using them on Russian journalists! Lmao
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2022 22:40:30 GMT 1
Jen never said she is better at controling her anger than Bruce. She said she does it constantly and that Bruce was projecting his shit on to her. People argue about stuff that isnt even in the show because of what they think that has been said. Its Brie Larson all over again. Marvel deserves better fans. Well, she did say she gets angry more often than him and considering what the Hulk has been through. Coupled with the fact that she suddenly mentions men, I mean why point to that specifically? The writers were clumsy. Further, considering she wanted to just leave does suggest she knows better at managing anger. It didnt seem she was that long at boot/mindful camp Also murder? Kind of hyperbolic. Sure there are psychos around but I doubt there are less around men. Domestic violence is another thing but even that depends on the situation
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 1:28:01 GMT 1
Also what is a woman and a man? Heeheehee
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 27, 2022 1:32:36 GMT 1
Also what is a woman and a man? Heeheehee that’s bait ;-)
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 27, 2022 4:08:59 GMT 1
Jen never said she is better at controling her anger than Bruce. She said she does it constantly and that Bruce was projecting his shit on to her. People argue about stuff that isnt even in the show because of what they think that has been said. Its Brie Larson all over again. Marvel deserves better fans. Well, she did say she gets angry more often than him and considering what the Hulk has been through. Coupled with the fact that she suddenly mentions men, I mean why point to that specifically? The writers were clumsy. Further, considering she wanted to just leave does suggest she knows better at managing anger. It didnt seem she was that long at boot/mindful camp Also murder? Kind of hyperbolic. Sure there are psychos around but I doubt there are less around men. Domestic violence is another thing but even that depends on the situation On average, worldwide, 66000 women per year get killed for the sole reason they are a woman. Femicide is a thing. Its not hyperbolic at all. Its a fact. The actual joke was on Jen because she hulked out the moment she said she constantly controlled her anger, proving her wrong. I thought, when I was watching at the time, that it was quite comedic. I really didnt get the vibe a lot of people are talking about and I actually dont understand it. It all seems very silly to me. The things Jen talks about come from men. She never said all men. Men. Its not women catcalling her. And men do have a tendency to be so confident that they think they know it all. Let me throw Covid in the mix here. A lot of people think they know better than people who studied virology or are in the medical field. To me the word men came naturally and the writers never said "All men". Again facts, not weird. And the truth is Jen knows what Bruce has been through hence the projecting his shit line. Thats why she never said she is better. And if you do something constantly you are not doing it less. Not possible. I find this thing infantile and boring actually. Im actually done with, and I dont mean this personally in any way, im on twitter so Im referencing that, people getting angry or upset over nothing or something they believe is happening which is simply not the case. So I think I will stop putting energy into it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2022 4:31:42 GMT 1
Well, she did say she gets angry more often than him and considering what the Hulk has been through. Coupled with the fact that she suddenly mentions men, I mean why point to that specifically? The writers were clumsy. Further, considering she wanted to just leave does suggest she knows better at managing anger. It didnt seem she was that long at boot/mindful camp Also murder? Kind of hyperbolic. Sure there are psychos around but I doubt there are less around men. Domestic violence is another thing but even that depends on the situation On average, worldwide, 66000 women per year get killed for the sole reason they are a woman. Femicide is a thing. Its not hyperbolic at all. Its a fact. The actual joke was on Jen because she hulked out the moment she said she constantly controlled her anger, proving her wrong. I thought, when I was watching at the time, that it was quite comedic. I really didnt get the vibe a lot of people are talking about and I actually dont understand it. It all seems very silly to me. The things Jen talks about come from men. She never said all men. Men. Its not women catcalling her. And men do have a tendency to be so confident that they think they know it all. Let me throw Covid in the mix here. A lot of people think they know better than people who studied virology or are in the medical field. To me the word men came naturally and the writers never said "All men". Again facts, not weird. And the truth is Jen knows what Bruce has been through hence the projecting his shit line. Thats why she never said she is better. And if you do something constantly you are not doing it less. Not possible. I find this thing infantile and boring actually. Im actually done with, and I dont mean this personally in any way, im on twitter so Im referencing that, people getting angry or upset over nothing or something they believe is happening which is simply not the case. So I think I will stop putting energy into it. 66000 worldwide? Thats not a lot in a year...very very small amount She hulked out yes but she was in control, she said so and she turned back to normal at will Consider what Hulk has been through. Jen is nowhere near that scale. He has lots of constant reasons to be angry. He even said at one point he's constantly angry if I remember correctly
Like I said it's clumsy writing and especially with all the politics going on. They should know better. Did she say some men? Im not sure she did
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Post by Merv on Aug 28, 2022 16:20:41 GMT 1
Went back and rewatched some of the Shang Chi scene…
Wong definitely says something after the fight like ‘Maybe you’ll learn to control those punches like we practiced.’ So it almost seems like he’s just helping Blonsky control his rage in a way. Not sure why an underground cage fight is the best place for that to take place tho. Lol
Also I never noticed before but in one of the other cage fights a Black Widow named Helen is fighting one of the Extremis soldiers from Iron Man 3.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2022 22:02:28 GMT 1
On average, worldwide, 66000 women per year get killed for the sole reason they are a woman. Femicide is a thing. Its not hyperbolic at all. Its a fact. The actual joke was on Jen because she hulked out the moment she said she constantly controlled her anger, proving her wrong. I thought, when I was watching at the time, that it was quite comedic. I really didnt get the vibe a lot of people are talking about and I actually dont understand it. It all seems very silly to me. The things Jen talks about come from men. She never said all men. Men. Its not women catcalling her. And men do have a tendency to be so confident that they think they know it all. Let me throw Covid in the mix here. A lot of people think they know better than people who studied virology or are in the medical field. To me the word men came naturally and the writers never said "All men". Again facts, not weird. And the truth is Jen knows what Bruce has been through hence the projecting his shit line. Thats why she never said she is better. And if you do something constantly you are not doing it less. Not possible. I find this thing infantile and boring actually. Im actually done with, and I dont mean this personally in any way, im on twitter so Im referencing that, people getting angry or upset over nothing or something they believe is happening which is simply not the case. So I think I will stop putting energy into it. 66000 worldwide? Thats not a lot in a year...very very small amount She hulked out yes but she was in control, she said so and she turned back to normal at will Consider what Hulk has been through. Jen is nowhere near that scale. He has lots of constant reasons to be angry. He even said at one point he's constantly angry if I remember correctly
Like I said it's clumsy writing and especially with all the politics going on. They should know better. Did she say some men? Im not sure she did
Well, this one isn’t for everyone. At least you have the next show to look forward to. Let’s see, what was that one again? Middle schooler becomes Iron Man because of girl power! Oh shit. The fandom is screwed! 😫
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 28, 2022 22:26:53 GMT 1
I really wish we could talk about these series for what’s going on with the characters and plot and not whatever real world social applications we think it has. That’s the kind of stuff I’m trying to not talk about while following my favorite series ever.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 3:35:38 GMT 1
66000 worldwide? Thats not a lot in a year...very very small amount She hulked out yes but she was in control, she said so and she turned back to normal at will Consider what Hulk has been through. Jen is nowhere near that scale. He has lots of constant reasons to be angry. He even said at one point he's constantly angry if I remember correctly
Like I said it's clumsy writing and especially with all the politics going on. They should know better. Did she say some men? Im not sure she did
Well, this one isn’t for everyone. At least you have the next show to look forward to. Let’s see, what was that one again? Middle schooler becomes Iron Man because of girl power! Oh shit. The fandom is screwed! 😫 I like She-Hulk. Just didnt agree with that clumsy scene
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