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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 27, 2022 17:17:50 GMT 1
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Post by Merv on Jul 27, 2022 18:18:58 GMT 1
Remember what happened the last time someone got Hulk blood in them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 3:48:37 GMT 1
Do you agree that the Hulk has been neutered in the MCU? he needs this time before he goes all WWH. Remember when he was wrecking South Africa in AOU? No. He’s hasn’t been neutered. Perhaps but I do want og Hulk back pronto!
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 1, 2022 17:25:45 GMT 1
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 3, 2022 22:56:02 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 4, 2022 1:40:26 GMT 1
count me among those who is perfectly happy. I don’t understand this culture of inventing shit to complain about.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 4, 2022 2:07:12 GMT 1
count me among those who is perfectly happy. I don’t understand this culture of inventing shit to complain about. It's funny how people are complaining about her CG when, to me, she crosses into the uncanny valley more than the Hulk. Her eyes are much more lifelike and expressive - so much so that it's a little creepy. She-Hulk has a soul, and the Hulk does not.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 4, 2022 2:22:27 GMT 1
count me among those who is perfectly happy. I don’t understand this culture of inventing shit to complain about. It's funny how people are complaining about her CG when, to me, she crosses into the uncanny valley more than the Hulk. Her eyes are much more lifelike and expressive - so much so that it's a little creepy. She-Hulk has a soul, and the Hulk does not. This show is going to be cool. Guaranteed and my little quick run through of phase 4 has me appreciating the entirety of it on a whole new level. I love that it’s a transition period. That they took the time to equally wrap up old arc and start new ones which won’t begin in Earnest until phase 5. It reminds me of Age of Ultron. The only Avengers film where they’re a team start to finish. They took the time to do that and the course of the entire series benefits by having these eras that have time to breathe. I got a little impatient myself and I’m sorry I did.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 4, 2022 17:37:00 GMT 1
I don't see anything wrong with the CGI, but that's a bullshit answer if I ever heard one.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 4, 2022 18:29:43 GMT 1
I don't see anything wrong with the CGI, but that's a bullshit answer if I ever heard one. The "problem" most people had with the CGI was that it didn't look photo-realistic. Some discussion about her body type revolved around whether or not she should have had a female bodybuilder's physique (instead of looking like a scaled-up woman who doesn't engage in regular intensive exercise). This is squarely an issue of pixels per inch and not 'ownership of woman's bodies.' Her comments make the debate more toxic at the expense of showing off how well she can repeat what was preached to her in first-year undergraduate gender studies classes.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Aug 9, 2022 6:00:26 GMT 1
It looks like Daenerys gave Daredevil his 'golden crown'.
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Post by Merv on Aug 10, 2022 17:55:08 GMT 1
These are the kinds of comments that could, and will, turn people away at the door. "You don't think the cgi looks great, well you're probably sexist." It's just not good marketing.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 10, 2022 18:17:53 GMT 1
These are the kinds of comments that could, and will, turn people away at the door. "You don't think the cgi looks great, well you're probably sexist." It's just not good marketing. Agreed, creators rarely know how to market their work. I honestly don't mind that She-Hulk is so full of "win" right out of the gate. Jennifer appears to be a well-adjusted young woman with an uncomplicated upbringing and a strong support network. Bruce had to get passed childhood trauma and repressed anger to find his current balance with the Hulk. It makes sense. I wish the creators didn't feel like they had to justify their choices to the fans; it's the first sign of weakness and possible insecurity in their chosen vision.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 15, 2022 14:43:47 GMT 1
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO "Todd is described as one of Jen's worst dating experiences, with Baywatch star Jon Bass playing the role in the series. As shared by Disney+ and described by Bass himself, Todd tries to pass himself off as a Tony Stark wannabe, but he usually comes across as "a total creep" as he pops up throughout the series: “Todd is a billionaire playboy philanthropist douchebag who wants more than anything to feel like Tony Stark, but comes off as Jon Bass. He is used to getting whatever he wants, but he’s a total creep who starts popping up everywhere.” Co-producer Wendy Jacobson shared how funny Bass is in the role, especially with him "playing this terrible person." While the character is "mostly harmless," the show highlights the idea of having someone in Jen's life who just keeps showing up at random places unexpectedly: “Jon Bass is so funny and he’s so good at playing this terrible person—it’s really fun to watch. The character of Todd plays on the social commentary of misogyny and incel culture and the unfair views of women. He’s annoying, but mostly harmless and it’s really about embodying these awkward interactions you have with someone when they keep showing up in your life over and over again.” thedirect.com/article/disney-tony-stark-she-hulk-show
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Post by They-Hulk on Aug 17, 2022 18:57:00 GMT 1
‘She-Hulk: Attorney at Law’ Is Marvel Trash at Its Most Offensive
There *may* have been potential to do something campy and fun with Tatiana Maslany’s lawyer-turned-Hulk. But this cringe-worthy series is a Hulk-smash on the skip button.
Coleman Spilde
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Updated Aug. 17, 2022 1:15PM ET Published Aug. 17, 2022 9:00AM ET
Think back to the worst, most haphazardly-made, monetary glue trap you saw that also cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce. Chances are, you’re landing on something in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The latest Thor entry was middling; Ms. Marvel squandered a promisingly progressive tale; Eternals was a visually bland superhero link-up; and Black Widow was a confoundingly boring letdown that arrived long after its star hero was already dead.
The MCU has garnered a sour reputation for following the same pattern: films and television shows are announced at flashy conventions, with an increased move toward diversity and stories that will broaden the universe past the thousandth Avengers expansion. Then, all of that is almost always sacrificed for the same rote twists and humor tropes. We should be used to this betrayal by now.
Still, when it was announced that She-Hulk would be the next hero to enter the MCU, there was an inkling of promise. She-Hulk is inherently silly, as is any superhero that has a hyphen in their name. But this wasn’t just to be She-Hulk, oh no. The eighth series from Marvel Studios was properly titled She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, and it would be lead by Orphan Black star Tatiana Maslany as Jennifer Walters, the genetically-mutated green woman just trying to make it in the cutthroat world of law.
Just by concept alone, this was a chance for Marvel to lean into the campiness that’s always lingering on the fringes of everything they do, an opportunity to actually surprise us with an appropriately cartoonish superhero outing.
That’s why it stings so acutely seeing that, once again, She-Hulk’s potential is entirely wasted.
The show’s premise is undeniably strong, which is proven immediately as the series opens, showing Maslany as Jennifer Walters trying a case in court. Maslany is as watchable as ever in her few human moments before she transforms into her Hulk half when Titania (Jameela Jamil), a Big-Bird-esque supervillain, crashes into the courtroom.
“Do it, do the thing!” Jennifer’s paralegal best friend Ginger begs her. Suddenly, Jennifer is a 6-foot-7 green mutation who can no longer fit into her smart blazer and sensible pumps. She knocks Titania out of the courtroom to the applause of the jury and delivers a smirk-inducing line about being ready to give her closing statements. It’s fun, it’s pretty gloriously stupid, and it’s even kind of exciting. And it’s all downhill from there.
I should be clear here: only the first four of She-Hulk: Attorney at Law’s nine episodes were provided for press. There’s a chance that things could pick up by the time the show rounds out its first season in mid-October. But what I did see only got progressively worse, so much so that I wondered if there was a gas leak in my apartment.
After a dragging but necessary amount of flashback exposition that finds Jennifer and her cousin Bruce Banner (Mark Ruffalo) in Mexico trying to ascertain the level of Jennifer’s newfound powers—Hulkability is apparently a bloodborne genetic disease, who knew!—the show throws her back into the world of Los Angeles law. Except that, after her little courtroom stunt, she’s become a liability to her firm and is cut loose.
Not long after she’s fired, she’s approached to become an attorney for a firm that only defends supervillains. Left with what I’d assume to be thousands of dollars in law school debt (that’s never mentioned; I’m just trying to add the color to her character that the writers forgot to) and thrust into the spotlight overnight after news of her Hulk status broke, Jennifer reluctantly agrees to the job.
The superhero law firm could be an intriguing plot device if it were implemented with a more winking, The Incredibles-style self-aware comedy. Instead, it’s the show’s first major mistake. The firm acts as the series’ catalyst for endless obnoxious cameo appearances by a slew of forgotten or never-before-seen villains from Marvel’s past. As the series goes on, it feels more and more like Jennifer Walters is being used as a stiff prop for the villains to act around. Their boring B-plots supersede She-Hulk—the one whose name is on the title card!
At one point, Jennifer attempts to call attention to that, using another one of the show’s glaring mistakes: fourth wall-breaking asides. “I hope you don’t think this is one of those cameo-a-week type of shows,” she says to the camera in the third episode. “Just remember whose show this really is.” Honestly, I was starting to lose track.
These wannabe-Fleabag fourth wall breaks were already a risk given the fact that Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s masterpiece still remains so prevalent in cultural memory, so why the writers then decided to make it so bafflingly inconsistent is far beyond my comprehension—especially when they were so integral in the show’s initial marketing and the original comics’ appeal.
If you’re going to break the fourth wall in a television show, you’ve really got to commit to it. There should be a reason that it’s employed, a punchline thrown in here or a serving of exposition doled out by the main character there. In She-Hulk, those things come sparingly and randomly. Spots where a humorous aside could be helpful in propelling the show’s plodding pace along are ignored in favor of having Maslany break the fourth wall in moments that are so glaringly on the nose that several of them made me groan out loud.
In what could’ve been a genuinely funny sequence in the fourth episode, Jennifer goes on a series of bad dates in Hulk form after changing the picture on her dating profile to her green alter ego for a little male attention. After an already-lazy joke about men skipping out on the tab, She-Hulk turns to the camera, lifts a glass of white wine to her computer-generated mouth, and says, “Is there anything worse than dating in your 30s?”
The moment nearly made me Hulk out and throw my television through the window. It’s bold of a show to think it’s this witty without ever landing a single punchline. She-Hulk is filled with these kinds of indolent jokes, plucked from the ashes of the Greta Gerwig-starring, abandoned How I Met Your Dad spinoff from 2014.
Instead of spending time trying to punch-up its comedy, She-Hulk: Attorney at Law is laser-focused on hammering us over the head with a rote take on the difficulties of being a woman in the world, one that unfortunately boils down to the nothingburger of “Men Are Bad.”
It’s too bad the show has absolutely nothing new to say about the intrinsic evils of masculinity and chauvinism that haven’t been said before hundreds of times in more interesting and involved programming. She-Hulk is not only a disservice to art that explores these things in more transgressive, thoughtful ways, but an insult to its viewers who are more than capable of digesting cultural criticism with a little nuance.
In fact, She-Hulk is irrefutable proof that Marvel doesn’t have a single iota of faith in its viewers. This was another opportunity to throw the rule book out the window—or, hell, at least put it in a drawer for a few hours—and make something truly unique and really, actually funny. And, no, I don’t mean with in-universe quips and useless cameos in place of punchlines. I mean with jokes. You know, the thing that television comedies are supposed to be filled with.
Then there's She-Hulk’s abysmal CGI. After an onslaught of VFX artists came forward about the poor working conditions at Marvel, Tatiana Maslany defended the show’s visual effects team, saying, “I watch it and it doesn’t feel like a cutscene from a video game.” Not a great bar, there.
Surely, the pressure to get She-Hulk’s complex level of CGI finished in time for deadlines that have millions of dollars tied up in them is a nightmare, and you can see the rush job playing out across every episode. I found myself thankful that the show is airing weekly. Maybe that will give the effects team more time to show the magic that they’re capable of because, as of now, She-Hulk looks like an ungodly abomination of science that not even Mary Shelley could love.
It’s disheartening to watch something that should play out like a delightfully bad ’80s cartoon squander every last bit of its promise once more in favor of falling back on a hemorrhaging formula. This is Marvel’s latest in a run of grand, ultimately useless tricks to distract from a complete and utter lack of imagination.
But perhaps the most criminal offense of all in this law procedural—and I use that genre phrasing extremely lightly here—is the grave misuse of Tatiana Maslany. If there’s one silver lining in her casting, it’s that She-Hulk: Attorney at Law has paid her enough to be able to take her time looking for a role deserving of her talent. After an undeniable star turn as no less than 14 different clones during the run of Orphan Black, which earned her three Emmy nominations and one win, it’s shocking that this is what she’s given to work with in the “Big Leagues.”
I could feel Maslany trying her best to get every laugh, to charm her way through the most confusing, bland scripts and CG constraints. But even the best actresses can’t will their way out of dreadful material. They’re then forced to hope that, at the very least, the final product will be so bad it’s campy. And while there’s maybe a shred of novelty to be found here watching just for laughs with your friends after three margaritas, you’re better off wasting half an hour on something that will at least be memorably bad when the hangover wears off.
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Post by Merv on Aug 18, 2022 8:54:52 GMT 1
Just watched episode 1...I enjoyed it. There is a pretty funny mid credits scene.
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 18, 2022 10:13:36 GMT 1
Talk spoilers on the show here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2022 12:26:59 GMT 1
Great pilot. Very endearing. Looking forward to the next episode. Hulk training camp was fun lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2022 12:28:35 GMT 1
I think Titania may be faking?
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 18, 2022 12:40:14 GMT 1
So the Sakarrians are after Hulk? Interesting. I wonder if the World War Hulk rumors will actually have some weight to them?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2022 12:53:38 GMT 1
So the Sakarrians are after Hulk? Interesting. I wonder if the World War Hulk rumors will actually have some weight to them? Oh yeah lol. Totally forgot about the spaceship
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 18, 2022 18:04:56 GMT 1
Why is no-one talking about that mid credit scene? I think Marvel never made me laugh so hard.
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 18, 2022 18:06:19 GMT 1
Just watched episode 1...I enjoyed it. There is a pretty funny mid credits scene. Pretty funny? I think I never laughed so hard when it comes to Marvel.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 18, 2022 18:28:29 GMT 1
Steve losing his virginity was finally confirmed. But my head canon is that he still lost his virginity to bucky.
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 18, 2022 21:00:03 GMT 1
Btw I believe on inifinite diversity in infinite combinations... So I love you all for coming out as transgender.
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Post by They-Hulk on Aug 18, 2022 22:14:11 GMT 1
‘She-Hulk: Attorney at Law’ Is Marvel Trash at Its Most Offensive
There *may* have been potential to do something campy and fun with Tatiana Maslany’s lawyer-turned-Hulk. But this cringe-worthy series is a Hulk-smash on the skip button.
Coleman Spilde
Entertainment Critic
Updated Aug. 17, 2022 1:15PM ET Published Aug. 17, 2022 9:00AM ET
Think back to the worst, most haphazardly-made, monetary glue trap you saw that also cost hundreds of millions of dollars to produce. Chances are, you’re landing on something in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The latest Thor entry was middling; Ms. Marvel squandered a promisingly progressive tale; Eternals was a visually bland superhero link-up; and Black Widow was a confoundingly boring letdown that arrived long after its star hero was already dead.
The MCU has garnered a sour reputation for following the same pattern: films and television shows are announced at flashy conventions, with an increased move toward diversity and stories that will broaden the universe past the thousandth Avengers expansion. Then, all of that is almost always sacrificed for the same rote twists and humor tropes. We should be used to this betrayal by now.
Still, when it was announced that She-Hulk would be the next hero to enter the MCU, there was an inkling of promise. She-Hulk is inherently silly, as is any superhero that has a hyphen in their name. But this wasn’t just to be She-Hulk, oh no. The eighth series from Marvel Studios was properly titled She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, and it would be lead by Orphan Black star Tatiana Maslany as Jennifer Walters, the genetically-mutated green woman just trying to make it in the cutthroat world of law.
Just by concept alone, this was a chance for Marvel to lean into the campiness that’s always lingering on the fringes of everything they do, an opportunity to actually surprise us with an appropriately cartoonish superhero outing.
That’s why it stings so acutely seeing that, once again, She-Hulk’s potential is entirely wasted.
The show’s premise is undeniably strong, which is proven immediately as the series opens, showing Maslany as Jennifer Walters trying a case in court. Maslany is as watchable as ever in her few human moments before she transforms into her Hulk half when Titania (Jameela Jamil), a Big-Bird-esque supervillain, crashes into the courtroom.
“Do it, do the thing!” Jennifer’s paralegal best friend Ginger begs her. Suddenly, Jennifer is a 6-foot-7 green mutation who can no longer fit into her smart blazer and sensible pumps. She knocks Titania out of the courtroom to the applause of the jury and delivers a smirk-inducing line about being ready to give her closing statements. It’s fun, it’s pretty gloriously stupid, and it’s even kind of exciting. And it’s all downhill from there.
I should be clear here: only the first four of She-Hulk: Attorney at Law’s nine episodes were provided for press. There’s a chance that things could pick up by the time the show rounds out its first season in mid-October. But what I did see only got progressively worse, so much so that I wondered if there was a gas leak in my apartment.
After a dragging but necessary amount of flashback exposition that finds Jennifer and her cousin Bruce Banner (Mark Ruffalo) in Mexico trying to ascertain the level of Jennifer’s newfound powers—Hulkability is apparently a bloodborne genetic disease, who knew!—the show throws her back into the world of Los Angeles law. Except that, after her little courtroom stunt, she’s become a liability to her firm and is cut loose.
Not long after she’s fired, she’s approached to become an attorney for a firm that only defends supervillains. Left with what I’d assume to be thousands of dollars in law school debt (that’s never mentioned; I’m just trying to add the color to her character that the writers forgot to) and thrust into the spotlight overnight after news of her Hulk status broke, Jennifer reluctantly agrees to the job.
The superhero law firm could be an intriguing plot device if it were implemented with a more winking, The Incredibles-style self-aware comedy. Instead, it’s the show’s first major mistake. The firm acts as the series’ catalyst for endless obnoxious cameo appearances by a slew of forgotten or never-before-seen villains from Marvel’s past. As the series goes on, it feels more and more like Jennifer Walters is being used as a stiff prop for the villains to act around. Their boring B-plots supersede She-Hulk—the one whose name is on the title card!
At one point, Jennifer attempts to call attention to that, using another one of the show’s glaring mistakes: fourth wall-breaking asides. “I hope you don’t think this is one of those cameo-a-week type of shows,” she says to the camera in the third episode. “Just remember whose show this really is.” Honestly, I was starting to lose track.
These wannabe-Fleabag fourth wall breaks were already a risk given the fact that Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s masterpiece still remains so prevalent in cultural memory, so why the writers then decided to make it so bafflingly inconsistent is far beyond my comprehension—especially when they were so integral in the show’s initial marketing and the original comics’ appeal.
If you’re going to break the fourth wall in a television show, you’ve really got to commit to it. There should be a reason that it’s employed, a punchline thrown in here or a serving of exposition doled out by the main character there. In She-Hulk, those things come sparingly and randomly. Spots where a humorous aside could be helpful in propelling the show’s plodding pace along are ignored in favor of having Maslany break the fourth wall in moments that are so glaringly on the nose that several of them made me groan out loud.
In what could’ve been a genuinely funny sequence in the fourth episode, Jennifer goes on a series of bad dates in Hulk form after changing the picture on her dating profile to her green alter ego for a little male attention. After an already-lazy joke about men skipping out on the tab, She-Hulk turns to the camera, lifts a glass of white wine to her computer-generated mouth, and says, “Is there anything worse than dating in your 30s?”
The moment nearly made me Hulk out and throw my television through the window. It’s bold of a show to think it’s this witty without ever landing a single punchline. She-Hulk is filled with these kinds of indolent jokes, plucked from the ashes of the Greta Gerwig-starring, abandoned How I Met Your Dad spinoff from 2014.
Instead of spending time trying to punch-up its comedy, She-Hulk: Attorney at Law is laser-focused on hammering us over the head with a rote take on the difficulties of being a woman in the world, one that unfortunately boils down to the nothingburger of “Men Are Bad.”
It’s too bad the show has absolutely nothing new to say about the intrinsic evils of masculinity and chauvinism that haven’t been said before hundreds of times in more interesting and involved programming. She-Hulk is not only a disservice to art that explores these things in more transgressive, thoughtful ways, but an insult to its viewers who are more than capable of digesting cultural criticism with a little nuance.
In fact, She-Hulk is irrefutable proof that Marvel doesn’t have a single iota of faith in its viewers. This was another opportunity to throw the rule book out the window—or, hell, at least put it in a drawer for a few hours—and make something truly unique and really, actually funny. And, no, I don’t mean with in-universe quips and useless cameos in place of punchlines. I mean with jokes. You know, the thing that television comedies are supposed to be filled with.
Then there's She-Hulk’s abysmal CGI. After an onslaught of VFX artists came forward about the poor working conditions at Marvel, Tatiana Maslany defended the show’s visual effects team, saying, “I watch it and it doesn’t feel like a cutscene from a video game.” Not a great bar, there.
Surely, the pressure to get She-Hulk’s complex level of CGI finished in time for deadlines that have millions of dollars tied up in them is a nightmare, and you can see the rush job playing out across every episode. I found myself thankful that the show is airing weekly. Maybe that will give the effects team more time to show the magic that they’re capable of because, as of now, She-Hulk looks like an ungodly abomination of science that not even Mary Shelley could love.
It’s disheartening to watch something that should play out like a delightfully bad ’80s cartoon squander every last bit of its promise once more in favor of falling back on a hemorrhaging formula. This is Marvel’s latest in a run of grand, ultimately useless tricks to distract from a complete and utter lack of imagination.
But perhaps the most criminal offense of all in this law procedural—and I use that genre phrasing extremely lightly here—is the grave misuse of Tatiana Maslany. If there’s one silver lining in her casting, it’s that She-Hulk: Attorney at Law has paid her enough to be able to take her time looking for a role deserving of her talent. After an undeniable star turn as no less than 14 different clones during the run of Orphan Black, which earned her three Emmy nominations and one win, it’s shocking that this is what she’s given to work with in the “Big Leagues.”
I could feel Maslany trying her best to get every laugh, to charm her way through the most confusing, bland scripts and CG constraints. But even the best actresses can’t will their way out of dreadful material. They’re then forced to hope that, at the very least, the final product will be so bad it’s campy. And while there’s maybe a shred of novelty to be found here watching just for laughs with your friends after three margaritas, you’re better off wasting half an hour on something that will at least be memorably bad when the hangover wears off.
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Post by Merv on Aug 18, 2022 22:55:19 GMT 1
Why is no-one talking about that mid credit scene? I think Marvel never made me laugh so hard. Lol it’s the one thing I mentioned!
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Post by Merv on Aug 18, 2022 22:56:05 GMT 1
Steve losing his virginity was finally confirmed. But my head canon is that he still lost his virginity to bucky. Bucky was on that tour, wasn’t he?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2022 0:04:17 GMT 1
Well, I’m not the world’s most masculine man. But I know what I am. And I know I’m a man.
And so is She Hulk. She she she sh-sh-she Hulk.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 19, 2022 1:09:43 GMT 1
Putting on She Hulk,,, nnnnn,,, nnnnnn,,, nnnnot yet,,, nnnnnnnnwait for it,,, nnnnnn,,, ok now
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