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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 22:42:07 GMT 1
I'm rewatching for the first time in years. The first season definately holds up to repeat viewings. I'm starting season two this weekend. Brilliant show... Well, the first four seasons anyway. The last four are hot garbage.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Sept 3, 2020 23:01:01 GMT 1
I'm rewatching for the first time in years. The first season definately holds up to repeat viewings. I'm starting season two this weekend. Brilliant show... Well, the first four seasons anyway. The last four are hot garbage. I watched the show when it originally aired on TV here, then later bought the complete series on Blu-ray (it came in this really neat-looking box that looked like a bigger version of Dexter's blood slide box that he kept all the samples of his victims in). I would've been quite content with the show ending on Season 5 or even Season 7. I didn't dislike those seasons as much as a lot of other people seemed to (even if they were 'weaker' than the earlier seasons). The only seasons I really didn't like were Seasons 6 and 8. I also wasn't fussed on Season 3, but at least that season had Jimmy Smits and the scene I've always remember where Dexter lost it and yelled Miguel's name (even if it wasn't 'real'). I also know that some people didn't like Dexter's sister, Deb. She was actually one of my favourite characters. She could swear like nobody else (very inventive). They really screwed over her character in both Season 6 (what were they thinking with that storyline where she became interested in her brother in a way nobody should be interested in their brother? Not since Luke/Leia, anyway) and Season 8 (I was royally ticked off with what they did to her in the final episode). I found her character entertaining, at least. There were other characters in the show who I found a lot more unlikable than Deb. On the whole, I thought the show had more good or at least 'decent' seasons than 'bad' ones. Trinity stills remains the best foe Dexter ever had (and I don't mean Carrie-Anne Moss from The Matrix).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 1:15:52 GMT 1
Chalice_Of_Evil, have you ever read about how Clyde Phillips, the show's creator, was planning to end the series before he left after season four? It would've been so perfect... Dexter in the execution chamber with all his more notable victims "appearing" in the gallery
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Sept 4, 2020 2:11:05 GMT 1
Chalice_Of_Evil , have you ever read about how Clyde Phillips, the show's creator, was planning to end the series before he left after season four? It would've been so perfect... {Spoiler}Dexter in the execution chamber with all his more notable victims "appearing" in the gallery Yeah, I do remember reading about that sometime after the series final. I would've much preferred that ending. One wonders how they came up with the ending that they decided to go with.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 13:08:41 GMT 1
I watched the pilot ages ago but it didnt take. Perhaps Ill try again sometime
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 1:26:26 GMT 1
Now I'm remembering what it is I didn't like about season two... It's mostly pretty good, but lacks direction. Too much screen time is dedicated to the "gross English titty vampire".
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Sept 5, 2020 2:31:48 GMT 1
Now I'm remembering what it is I didn't like about season two... It's mostly pretty good, but lacks direction. Too much screen time is dedicated to the "gross English titty vampire". I actually didn't mind Lila. I always remember that description Deb had for her, though. The funny thing is that Jaime Murray actually did play an English titty vampire in the movie Fright Night 2 (2013). Personally, I found LaGuerta's storyline to be the most boring in Season 2 of Dexter.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Sept 5, 2020 18:47:51 GMT 1
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Post by equality72521 on Sept 13, 2020 1:14:10 GMT 1
Dexter was an excellent series, but I agree that season 4 would have been the best place to end the show. AAMOF, "season 4" seams to be the make or break point for hour-long dramas: that's either where they should end or they had better have some really good writers to keep the "engagement" rolling.
It's all about the arcs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 1:38:28 GMT 1
Dexter was an excellent series, but I agree that season 4 would have been the best place to end the show. AAMOF, "season 4" seams to be the make or break point for hour-long dramas: that's either where they should end or they had better have some really good writers to keep the "engagement" rolling. It's all about the arcs. The problem was two-fold: 1) Showtime wanted four more seasons, and this character was too far along in his arc to sustain that much more. Season four was the perfect penultimate season. The fifth should have been the last. 2) A lot of the best writers left after season four, including the show runner.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 14, 2020 23:46:32 GMT 1
Dexter was an excellent series, but I agree that season 4 would have been the best place to end the show. AAMOF, "season 4" seams to be the make or break point for hour-long dramas: that's either where they should end or they had better have some really good writers to keep the "engagement" rolling. It's all about the arcs. The problem was two-fold: 1) Showtime wanted four more seasons, and this character was too far along in his arc to sustain that much more. Season four was the perfect penultimate season. The fifth should have been the last. 2) A lot of the best writers left after season four, including the show runner. So, apparently the show is returning for a 10 episode 'limited series'. deadline.com/2020/10/dexter-showtime-reboot-limited-michael-c-hall-clyde-phillips-1234597514/The only way I'd be interested in this is if they erase Season 8 and pretend it doesn't exist (or at least the last episode, anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 0:35:04 GMT 1
The problem was two-fold: 1) Showtime wanted four more seasons, and this character was too far along in his arc to sustain that much more. Season four was the perfect penultimate season. The fifth should have been the last. 2) A lot of the best writers left after season four, including the show runner. So, apparently the show is returning for a 10 episode 'limited series'. deadline.com/2020/10/dexter-showtime-reboot-limited-michael-c-hall-clyde-phillips-1234597514/The only way I'd be interested in this is if they erase Season 8 and pretend it doesn't exist (or at least the last episode, anyway). Whoa! Really?! Yeah... it’s hard to have interest knowing that they can never redo the things they ruined.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 3:18:25 GMT 1
I'm rewatching for the first time in years. The first season definately holds up to repeat viewings. I'm starting season two this weekend. Brilliant show... Well, the first four seasons anyway. The last four are hot garbage.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 15, 2020 5:08:02 GMT 1
I'm rewatching for the first time in years. The first season definately holds up to repeat viewings. I'm starting season two this weekend. Brilliant show... Well, the first four seasons anyway. The last four are hot garbage. Ive seen Seasons 1-3 and I loved it. I have no reason for not continuing but it has been awhile now since I got back to start season 4
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 6:18:45 GMT 1
I'm rewatching for the first time in years. The first season definately holds up to repeat viewings. I'm starting season two this weekend. Brilliant show... Well, the first four seasons anyway. The last four are hot garbage. Ive seen Seasons 1-3 and I loved it. I have no reason for not continuing but it has been awhile now since I got back to start season 4 Holy shit, dude. Start again IMMEDIATELY! Season four is fucking GOD LIKE television. It is seriously amazing stuff. You must watch it. Stop after season four though. 5-8 are horrible.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 15, 2020 7:16:50 GMT 1
Whoa! Really?! Yeah... it’s hard to have interest knowing that they can never redo the things they ruined. Firstly, thank you for editing your post to not include that spoiler it did originally, Mr Ackbar. I'm sure others who haven't seen to the end of the series appreciate it too. Not many would be as considerate as you and do that. Secondly...yeah, it's hard to be interested in this 'revival' or whatever you want to call it, considering how things ended. I guess the makers of the show were sick of being the butt of jokes and the standard all other bad series finales were compared to. Holy shit, dude. Start again IMMEDIATELY! Season four is fucking GOD LIKE television. It is seriously amazing stuff. You must watch it. Stop after season four though. 5-8 are horrible. You and I tend to disagree on where to stop watching the show, Mr Ackbar. While I agree Seasons 1, 2 & 4 were the show's 'best', I wasn't that fussed on Season 3 (though Jimmy Smits and Dexter's imagined freak-out were good). I didn't dislike Season 5 as much as others did. Season 6 was a real stinker and the only thing of worth from that season was the ending. Season 7 was rather average, but I at least preferred it to Season 6 and I liked seeing the fallout of Season 6's ending. Season 8 was about on par with Season 6 in its level of 'badness', as far as I was concerned. Ive seen Seasons 1-3 and I loved it. I have no reason for not continuing but it has been awhile now since I got back to start season 4 While you're welcome to stop when Mr Ackbar said (ie. after Season 4), like I mentioned above^...I didn't think Season 5 was that bad and Season 7 was worth watching if only to see the fallout from the Season 6 final's ending. Personally, I'd recommend skipping Season 6 except for the ending of it (which I'm sure can be found on YouTube). After watching Season 7, Season 8 isn't worth bothering with (in my opinion, anyway). There are three points in the show that I'd say are worth stopping at rather than watching the show's eighth season, and those are the end of Season 4 (as Mr Ackbar recommended), the end of Season 5 or the end of Season 7 (those two I would've been content with being the end of the show). Of course, it's really all up to you.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 15, 2020 14:22:36 GMT 1
So if I watch season 4 and stop, you’re saying that would actually be a good idea?
Think I have to watch season 4 at least then lol
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 15, 2020 14:23:59 GMT 1
Ive seen Seasons 1-3 and I loved it. I have no reason for not continuing but it has been awhile now since I got back to start season 4 Holy shit, dude. Start again IMMEDIATELY! Season four is fucking GOD LIKE television. It is seriously amazing stuff. You must watch it. Stop after season four though. 5-8 are horrible. Ok I read this after I read Chalice’s post and yeah, season 4 is going up almost immediately
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 18:42:16 GMT 1
So if I watch season 4 and stop, you’re saying that would actually be a good idea? Think I have to watch season 4 at least then lol I personally think it’s a good place to stop, though I do think Chalice’s opinion is completely valid as well and I agree with it to some extent. The problem is that after season four Showtime wanted the cash cow to continue long term while the lead writer did not. So he left and the writing suffered. The ending of the character arc is perfectly set up but then squandered. 5 and 7 are perfectly watchable but 6 and 8 are painful to watch. You can continue, but just make sure you REALLY savor season four. It’s soooooo good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2020 18:48:04 GMT 1
Whoa! Really?! Yeah... it’s hard to have interest knowing that they can never redo the things they ruined. Firstly, thank you for editing your post to not include that spoiler it did originally, Mr Ackbar. I'm sure others who haven't seen to the end of the series appreciate it too. Not many would be as considerate as you and do that. Secondly...yeah, it's hard to be interested in this 'revival' or whatever you want to call it, considering how things ended. I guess the makers of the show were sick of being the butt of jokes and the standard all other bad series finales were compared to. Holy shit, dude. Start again IMMEDIATELY! Season four is fucking GOD LIKE television. It is seriously amazing stuff. You must watch it. Stop after season four though. 5-8 are horrible. You and I tend to disagree on where to stop watching the show, Mr Ackbar. While I agree Seasons 1, 2 & 4 were the show's 'best', I wasn't that fussed on Season 3 (though Jimmy Smits and Dexter's imagined freak-out were good). I didn't dislike Season 5 as much as others did. Season 6 was a real stinker and the only thing of worth from that season was the ending. Season 7 was rather average, but I at least preferred it to Season 6 and I liked seeing the fallout of Season 6's ending. Season 8 was about on par with Season 6 in its level of 'badness', as far as I was concerned. Ive seen Seasons 1-3 and I loved it. I have no reason for not continuing but it has been awhile now since I got back to start season 4 While you're welcome to stop when Mr Ackbar said (ie. after Season 4), like I mentioned above^...I didn't think Season 5 was that bad and Season 7 was worth watching if only to see the fallout from the Season 6 final's ending. Personally, I'd recommend skipping Season 6 except for the ending of it (which I'm sure can be found on YouTube). After watching Season 7, Season 8 isn't worth bothering with (in my opinion, anyway). There are three points in the show that I'd say are worth stopping at rather than watching the show's eighth season, and those are the end of Season 4 (as Mr Ackbar recommended), the end of Season 5 or the end of Season 7 (those two I would've been content with being the end of the show). Of course, it's really all up to you. Yeah, I hope no one saw that spoiler. That was a reckless post. Sorry. Ive thought about rewatching season seven. The problem is that it’s so tied into season six that it would be hard to include it in my collection without it feeling out of place. It does have some good moments. Season five is enjoyable enough, but I just think it diminishes the ending of season four by essentially resetting everything. The big events of season seven should’ve been done immediately, not two seasons later. In any case, it is fun talking about this show again! I look forward to sharing thoughts once the revival comes out!
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 15, 2020 22:55:32 GMT 1
Firstly, thank you for editing your post to not include that spoiler it did originally, Mr Ackbar. I'm sure others who haven't seen to the end of the series appreciate it too. Not many would be as considerate as you and do that. Secondly...yeah, it's hard to be interested in this 'revival' or whatever you want to call it, considering how things ended. I guess the makers of the show were sick of being the butt of jokes and the standard all other bad series finales were compared to. You and I tend to disagree on where to stop watching the show, Mr Ackbar. While I agree Seasons 1, 2 & 4 were the show's 'best', I wasn't that fussed on Season 3 (though Jimmy Smits and Dexter's imagined freak-out were good). I didn't dislike Season 5 as much as others did. Season 6 was a real stinker and the only thing of worth from that season was the ending. Season 7 was rather average, but I at least preferred it to Season 6 and I liked seeing the fallout of Season 6's ending. Season 8 was about on par with Season 6 in its level of 'badness', as far as I was concerned. While you're welcome to stop when Mr Ackbar said (ie. after Season 4), like I mentioned above^...I didn't think Season 5 was that bad and Season 7 was worth watching if only to see the fallout from the Season 6 final's ending. Personally, I'd recommend skipping Season 6 except for the ending of it (which I'm sure can be found on YouTube). After watching Season 7, Season 8 isn't worth bothering with (in my opinion, anyway). There are three points in the show that I'd say are worth stopping at rather than watching the show's eighth season, and those are the end of Season 4 (as Mr Ackbar recommended), the end of Season 5 or the end of Season 7 (those two I would've been content with being the end of the show). Of course, it's really all up to you. Yeah, I hope no one saw that spoiler. That was a reckless post. Sorry. Ive thought about rewatching season seven. The problem is that it’s so tied into season six that it would be hard to include it in my collection without it feeling out of place. It does have some good moments. Season five is enjoyable enough, but I just think it diminishes the ending of season four by essentially resetting everything. The big events of season seven should’ve been done immediately, not two seasons later. In any case, it is fun talking about this show again! I look forward to sharing thoughts once the revival comes out! I agree with you that things that happened in Season 7 should've happened seasons earlier. Personally, I would've had Deb find out about Dexter at the end of Season 5 (which is what it looked like was going to happen...until it didn't), and then Season 6 could've been what Season 7 was about - Deb dealing with the revelation about her brother - and that could've been the final season. The reason I don't dislike Season 7 as much as others do is because of the stuff involving Deb dealing with learning the truth about her brother. I'd been waiting since the start of the show to see that and I thought they handled it well, as it would take at least a season to come to terms with it (and even into Season 8 she hadn't fully accepted him - which was realistic). Don't worry about the 'spoiler' in your post. The fact that you went to the trouble of replacing it with something non-spoilery shows that you actually care about not spoiling others (whereas a lot of people don't).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 0:41:08 GMT 1
Yeah, I hope no one saw that spoiler. That was a reckless post. Sorry. Ive thought about rewatching season seven. The problem is that it’s so tied into season six that it would be hard to include it in my collection without it feeling out of place. It does have some good moments. Season five is enjoyable enough, but I just think it diminishes the ending of season four by essentially resetting everything. The big events of season seven should’ve been done immediately, not two seasons later. In any case, it is fun talking about this show again! I look forward to sharing thoughts once the revival comes out! I agree with you that things that happened in Season 7 should've happened seasons earlier. Personally, I would've had Deb find out about Dexter at the end of Season 5 (which is what it looked like was going to happen...until it didn't), and then Season 6 could've been what Season 7 was about - Deb dealing with the revelation about her brother - and that could've been the final season. The reason I don't dislike Season 7 as much as others do is because of the stuff involving Deb dealing with learning the truth about her brother. I'd been waiting since the start of the show to see that and I thought they handled it well, as it would take at least a season to come to terms with it (and even into Season 8 she hadn't fully accepted him - which was realistic). Don't worry about the 'spoiler' in your post. The fact that you went to the trouble of replacing it with something non-spoilery shows that you actually care about not spoiling others (whereas a lot of people don't). I personally never liked that Deb ended up sticking by Dex after finding out the truth. It just didn’t mesh with her character. The perfect ending would’ve been having her be the one to arrest him. It’s an obvious ending, but she’s a detective and he’s a killer. It just makes sense to me. And it would’ve been tragic as well as bitterly triumphant because she would’ve finally earned her much desired status as a homicide cop by finally nailing a serial killer. Only it’s her brother.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Oct 16, 2020 10:06:41 GMT 1
I agree with you that things that happened in Season 7 should've happened seasons earlier. Personally, I would've had Deb find out about Dexter at the end of Season 5 (which is what it looked like was going to happen...until it didn't), and then Season 6 could've been what Season 7 was about - Deb dealing with the revelation about her brother - and that could've been the final season. The reason I don't dislike Season 7 as much as others do is because of the stuff involving Deb dealing with learning the truth about her brother. I'd been waiting since the start of the show to see that and I thought they handled it well, as it would take at least a season to come to terms with it (and even into Season 8 she hadn't fully accepted him - which was realistic). Don't worry about the 'spoiler' in your post. The fact that you went to the trouble of replacing it with something non-spoilery shows that you actually care about not spoiling others (whereas a lot of people don't). I personally never liked that Deb ended up sticking by Dex after finding out the truth. It just didn’t mesh with her character. The perfect ending would’ve been having her be the one to arrest him. It’s an obvious ending, but she’s a detective and he’s a killer. It just makes sense to me. And it would’ve been tragic as well as bitterly triumphant because she would’ve finally earned her much desired status as a homicide cop by finally nailing a serial killer. Only it’s her brother. I thought it was interesting watching her struggle with knowing what he really was and what she should do about him. In theory I should've been upset that she decided to off LaGuerta rather than Dexter...but LaGuerta bugged the crap out of me, so I wasn't really broken up about it (meanwhile, Deb clearly was. I thought Jennifer Carpenter did a really good job in that scene - though she was excellent throughout the show). When I said that Season 6 could've been the show's final season in my previous post, obviously it would've needed some major retooling. If Deb had found out about Dex at the end of Season 5 (which is when it really should've happened. They stretched out her not knowing for far too long, I thought), then Season 6 could've dealt with her struggle of what to do about him. I would've ditched Colin Hanks and his imaginary friend, Dex could've continued doing what he did and Deb went along with it until the end of the season where she finally arrests him and we get that originally intended ending you were talking about upthread^ (the one with Dex in the execution chamber - I wonder if they'll go with that ending in this new 'limited series'? It'd be a way of seeing old familiar faces that've passed on...assuming they can bring back the major players for just cameos). They really did Deb (and Jennifer Carpenter) a disservice in the final episode we got. I don't think there's much they can do to fix that and there's really no characters left I particularly care about.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 10:19:48 GMT 1
Ive seen Seasons 1-3 and I loved it. I have no reason for not continuing but it has been awhile now since I got back to start season 4 Holy shit, dude. Start again IMMEDIATELY! Season four is fucking GOD LIKE television. It is seriously amazing stuff. You must watch it. Stop after season four though. 5-8 are horrible. As someone who hasnt watched Dexter bar the pilot, why is season 4 so good?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 17:33:33 GMT 1
I personally never liked that Deb ended up sticking by Dex after finding out the truth. It just didn’t mesh with her character. The perfect ending would’ve been having her be the one to arrest him. It’s an obvious ending, but she’s a detective and he’s a killer. It just makes sense to me. And it would’ve been tragic as well as bitterly triumphant because she would’ve finally earned her much desired status as a homicide cop by finally nailing a serial killer. Only it’s her brother. I thought it was interesting watching her struggle with knowing what he really was and what she should do about him. In theory I should've been upset that she decided to off LaGuerta rather than Dexter...but LaGuerta bugged the crap out of me, so I wasn't really broken up about it (meanwhile, Deb clearly was. I thought Jennifer Carpenter did a really good job in that scene - though she was excellent throughout the show). When I said that Season 6 could've been the show's final season in my previous post, obviously it would've needed some major retooling. If Deb had found out about Dex at the end of Season 5 (which is when it really should've happened. They stretched out her not knowing for far too long, I thought), then Season 6 could've dealt with her struggle of what to do about him. I would've ditched Colin Hanks and his imaginary friend, Dex could've continued doing what he did and Deb went along with it until the end of the season where she finally arrests him and we get that originally intended ending you were talking about upthread^ (the one with Dex in the execution chamber - I wonder if they'll go with that ending in this new 'limited series'? It'd be a way of seeing old familiar faces that've passed on...assuming they can bring back the major players for just cameos). They really did Deb (and Jennifer Carpenter) a disservice in the final episode we got. I don't think there's much they can do to fix that and there's really no characters left I particularly care about. Completely agreed. That would’ve been great.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 17:42:58 GMT 1
Holy shit, dude. Start again IMMEDIATELY! Season four is fucking GOD LIKE television. It is seriously amazing stuff. You must watch it. Stop after season four though. 5-8 are horrible. As someone who hasnt watched Dexter bar the pilot, why is season 4 so good? It’s hard to answer without spoiling anything about the show. Basically it has a phenomenal villain and the exploration of Dexter’s inner conflict is brilliant. The show was firing on all cylinders.
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Post by maximura on Oct 19, 2020 4:07:00 GMT 1
I actually enjoyed the entirety of the show. It ebbs and flows, but no season made me feel like it had no business existing. They seemed to explore different priorities as he attempts to discover himself, but I like to see the different styles as the version his mind allows us to see as he tries to parse through and triage what is important to him throughout the show.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 18:48:34 GMT 1
I actually enjoyed the entirety of the show. It ebbs and flows, but no season made me feel like it had no business existing. They seemed to explore different priorities as he attempts to discover himself, but I like to see the different styles as the version his mind allows us to see as he tries to parse through and triage what is important to him throughout the show. Looking forward to the revival?
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Post by maximura on Oct 19, 2020 19:27:14 GMT 1
I actually enjoyed the entirety of the show. It ebbs and flows, but no season made me feel like it had no business existing. They seemed to explore different priorities as he attempts to discover himself, but I like to see the different styles as the version his mind allows us to see as he tries to parse through and triage what is important to him throughout the show. Looking forward to the revival? I often find myself worrying when a show waits years (only 8 here, but others have gone longer) to revive. It opens the door for a lot of questions about the interim period and can force the show into a history dive that comes off like Highlander. Offhand, has he been killing during this time or completely removed, has he trained anyone, or tried at a family, did he communicate with anyone in this span, etc. It can be done well, I just hope it is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2020 20:33:48 GMT 1
Well, I tried season seven again and I just do not like it. The tone is actually really jarring when you go into it straight from season four. It doesn’t feel like the same show at all. And what they do with Deb just doesn’t work for me at all.
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