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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2020 18:34:11 GMT 1
Since we started doing the 007 elimination game, I started watching some old reviews, and I sort of thought that it's a funny idea that practically every new Bond girl is, "not your typical Bond girl". Basically whenever a new one comes out, they spend a lot of time telling you how this time she's independent and strong, and that's great, but they've been doing that since 1964. It's not exactly a new concept.
Pussy Galore was actually the hero of Goldfinger, Tracy was so strong in On Her Majesty's Secret Service that he bothered to marry her, Vesper was so important to Casino Royale that she broke him, and practically every other film has had a strong leading lady. The Spy Who Loved me is famous for it, For Your Eyes Only, Goldeneye, Octopussy, Tomorrow Never Lies, The World Is Not Enough, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, Licence to Kill, The Living Daylights, Die Another Day, Moonraker, SPECTRE, The Man With The Golden Gun, and maybe a couple others. I mean, that's quite a list, it's not exactly a rare thing to have a strong leading lady in a Bond film.
And I love that they promote them as strong, it's just amusing when it's sold as this new concept, or one of the only times it's ever happened. "this time it's going to be different." "This time she's not your typical damsel in distress." They're actually strong, independent, bond's equal, etc, most of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 18:41:00 GMT 1
Since we started doing the 007 elimination game, I started watching some old reviews, and I sort of thought that it's a funny idea that practically every new Bond girl is, "not your typical Bond girl". Basically whenever a new one comes out, they spend a lot of time telling you how this time she's independent and strong, and that's great, but they've been doing that since 1964. It's not exactly a new concept. Pussy Galore was actually the hero of Goldfinger, Tracy was so strong in On Her Majesty's Secret Service that he bothered to marry her, Vesper was so important to Casino Royale that she broke him, and practically every other film has had a strong leading lady. The Spy Who Loved me is famous for it, For Your Eyes Only, Goldeneye, Octopussy, Tomorrow Never Lies, The World Is Not Enough, Quantum of Solace, Skyfall, Licence to Kill, The Living Daylights, Die Another Day, Moonraker, SPECTRE, The Man With The Golden Gun, and maybe a couple others. I mean, that's quite a list, it's not exactly a rare thing to have a strong leading lady in a Bond film. And I love that they promote them as strong, it's just amusing when it's sold as this new concept, or one of the only times it's ever happened. "this time it's going to be different." "This time she's not your typical damsel in distress." They're actually strong, independent, bond's equal, etc, most of the time. Honeychile Ryder had been looking after herself and making a her own living long before Bond came along and fucked everything up for her. The man who had abused and raped her took a week to die an agonizing death after she slipped a deadly spider into his bed while he slept... It doesn't sound like she needed any help to me.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Aug 13, 2020 18:41:51 GMT 1
So, what you’re saying is… We should list our favorite Bond girls?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2020 19:27:34 GMT 1
Exactly.
I just find it kind of amusing that the stereotype is that Bond girls are helpless eye candy. I mean some of them, but that’s not really the norm.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2020 19:28:00 GMT 1
So, what you’re saying is… We should list our favorite Bond girls? Yes Yes Yes With photos
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Aug 13, 2020 19:31:26 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 19:47:57 GMT 1
Number one, too much make-up. Number two, nicely lubed up and ready to go.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Aug 13, 2020 21:10:37 GMT 1
So, what you’re saying is… We should list our favorite Bond girls? Yes Yes Yes With photos Now, Archie! Does Mrs. Archie know about this alacrity for scrutinizing representations of muliebral pulchritude? Seriously (more or less), my favorites (no particular order, except that the first one’s my #1 choice): Tatiana Romanova (Daniela Bianchi), From Russia with Love. Sylvia Trench (Eunice Gayson), Dr. No, From Russia with Love. Honey Ryder (Ursula Andress), Dr. NoMiss Taro (Zena Marshall), Dr. No
Fiona Volpe (Luciana Paluzzi), ThunderballDomino Derval (Claudine Auger), ThunderballPlenty O’Toole (Lana Wood), Diamonds Are ForeverSolitaire (Jane Seymour), Live and Let DieMiranda Frost (Rosamund Pike), Die Another DayStrawberry Fields (Gemma Arterton), Quantum of Solace
Hm. I’ve left out Diana Rigg, whom I adore, and Halle Berry, whom I find attractive, largely because I don’t think they, shall we say, looked their best in their Bond movies. I find Eva Green attractive but not the be-all and end-all of Bond girls, as some many polls I’ve seen do. I have three redheads on my list, which I can’t say really surprises me. And I’m sure I’ve left someone out. Oh well.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Aug 13, 2020 21:12:07 GMT 1
Also, I probably would have ashamed my avatar, who forbade any canoodling in The Prisoner.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2020 21:29:21 GMT 1
Mrs ArAr has been asked to engage in a rewatch while dressing up as the leading lady each time. So far I’ve had bond’s baccarat opponent’s luck at getting that one done.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2020 21:32:31 GMT 1
I may consider a list a little later but of yours I’d have to say Domino is my kind of women. The right look and the right balance of naughty meets nice. Strawberry is a close second. But as a ginger myself I approve of your generous selection of red heads.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Aug 13, 2020 21:43:52 GMT 1
I may consider a list a little later but of yours I’d have to say Domino is my kind of women. The right look and the right balance of naughty meets nice. Strawberry is a close second. But as a ginger myself I approve of your generous selection of red heads. I think Domino looks particularly great in evening dress during the casino scenes… Absolutely stunning girl, yes. Glad to see another Strawberry fan! Gemma Arterton is probably the modern actress I find the most attractive, so of course she gets killed off in QoS… Sigh. And then I recently saw her in an Inside No. 9 episode and in the Adam Sandler/Jennifer Aniston Murder Mystery, and she got nothing to do in either one! Grr… Yeah, I’m not quite sure where my fondness for redheads comes from…
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Aug 13, 2020 22:37:30 GMT 1
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Aug 13, 2020 23:23:10 GMT 1
My Top 5 would be... Eva Green as Vesper Lynd in Casino Royale. Her relationship with Bond is one of the most important relationships in any Bond movie. Vesper Lynd is my favourite Bond girl and, I think, is easily one of the best in the franchise. The chemistry between the two actors is immediately evident in the scene where they first meet on the train. Green's Vesper is believable (in that she's vulnerable and flawed, but strong at the same time). She's a three-dimensional character, and has something Bond girls of the past have sadly been lacking: a brain. She's a smart, gorgeous woman, who proves to be a mystery to Bond until he allows himself to get close to her. And this is what the film's about: Bond being open to getting hurt (not physically, but emotionally). Although she only appeared in the one film, her character has not been forgotten. Famke Janssen as Xenia Onatopp in GoldenEye. In my mind she's right up there alongside Jaws and Oddjob as one of the most memorable henchmen henchwomen henchpersons in the series. She not only kills plenty of people, but also revels in it/gets off on it too. This was the first movie I can recall seeing Famke Janssen in, and it's safe to say she made quite a lasting impression. She's more than a match for Bond, as she doesn't just use her 'feminine wiles', but can also go toe to toe with him in a physical fight. 'Deadly sexy' pretty much sums her up. Sophie Marceau as Elektra King in in The World Is Not Enough. A different sort of villainess to Xenia, but just as dangerous. Elektra plays both Bond and M, is able to get under their skin and exploit their weakness (ie. fondness for her). I thought Sophie Marceau did a lot with her character, who was arguably more of a memorable villain than Robert Carlyle's supposedly 'main' villain character, Renard. Olga Kurylenko as Camille Montes in Quantum of Solace. She may lack some double entendre for a name, but at least she has a backstory (to go along with her back scars), which gives her character depth. She too is out for revenge and has some meaningful discussions with Bond about that (one being in a cave, following a chase sequence with planes). Bond gives Camille a crash course in revenge-seeking and the two of them, surprisingly, never do the ‘horizontal-mambo’, instead only sharing a kiss (which is unusual for a Bond film, but actually very fitting considering where both of them are at emotionally. It just wouldn’t have felt right had she jumped into bed with him). An underrated Bond girl. Léa Seydoux as Madeleine Swann in Spectre. Léa Seydoux's Dr. Madeleine Swann, meanwhile, might not be quite up to the same high standard for Bond girls set by Eva Green's Vesper Lynd (but then, who could be?), but she has attitude, is respectable, stands up to James and shows him she's not clueless when it comes to fighting/firing a gun. Nothing will ever surpass the chemistry Green had with Craig, but Seydoux gives it an admirable effort. They share some good scenes together and I was happy with where she and Bond wound up in the film's closing moments (even if it ended with a sense of foreboding). The only real misstep was her walking away from him, what felt like out of nowhere, simply so she could be captured towards the end. Sadly, I think it's pretty much a 'given' that she won't be surviving No Time to Die (which is lazy, predictable writing). I also really liked... Izabella Scorupco as Natalya Simonova in GoldenEye. Jane Seymour as Solitaire in Live and Let Die. Michelle Yeoh as Wai Lin in Tomorrow Never Dies. Maryam d’Abo as Kara Milovy in The Living Daylights. And, of course, Honor Blackman as Pussy Galore in Goldfinger.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2020 23:31:25 GMT 1
So glad you put Camille in here. She's gets overlooked sometimes, but she's got an awesome backstory of revenge that reminds me a little bit of For Your Eyes Only and Melina.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 13, 2020 23:33:41 GMT 1
I may consider a list a little later but of yours I’d have to say Domino is my kind of women. The right look and the right balance of naughty meets nice. Strawberry is a close second. But as a ginger myself I approve of your generous selection of red heads. I think Domino looks particularly great in evening dress during the casino scenes… Absolutely stunning girl, yes. Glad to see another Strawberry fan! Gemma Arterton is probably the modern actress I find the most attractive, so of course she gets killed off in QoS… Sigh. And then I recently saw her in an Inside No. 9 episode and in the Adam Sandler/Jennifer Aniston Murder Mystery, and she got nothing to do in either one! Grr… Yeah, I’m not quite sure where my fondness for redheads comes from… Something about her innocent attitude and accent. She's got killer lips too. It might have been Bond and Mathis wondering if she had handcuffs that put it over the top, IDK, but I've never seen anybody look hotter drenched in crude oil. You might want to check out the behind the scenes of that shot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 23:47:21 GMT 1
Always go with the smart chick.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2020 2:24:56 GMT 1
Vesper. Domino. The one in YOLT.
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