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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 22:51:16 GMT 1
Or any other paranormal phenomenon?
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Aug 9, 2020 23:01:50 GMT 1
On this question, I usually quote either Germaine de Staël—“I do not believe in ghosts, but I am afraid of them”—or Fox Mulder—“I want to believe.”
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Aug 9, 2020 23:50:30 GMT 1
I think so.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 10, 2020 1:28:09 GMT 1
Or any other paranormal phenomenon? Ive never heard any account or been made aware of any evidence that ever led me to give the idea credibility. In fact I sort of resent the notion of taking it seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 2:09:30 GMT 1
I think there are things yet to be explained. Although why do ghosts never appear in malls or whatnot? Are they allergic to some places or crowds?
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Aug 10, 2020 2:50:42 GMT 1
This thread’s as good a place as any to trot out my old Venice story… To make a long story short, the first time my family went to Venice (and to Europe in general) my father, uncle, cousin, and I visited San Michele, a “cemetery island” where the Venetians bury their dead. Creepy stuff up front; if you walk far enough you’ll see modern-style crypts and it’s more sad than spooky. OK. I break away from the group and walk to the other side of the island. I’m just about to turn back when I heard my father shout my name as loud as he can. So I run back to where I’d come from and nearly barge into my dad, who’s running towards me. I say something like what’s wrong, and he says, what’s wrong with you? I kept hearing you shout “Dad”! So, it ends up that just when I heard him shouting my name (not an Italian name, might I add), he heard me screaming “Dad.” We were the only people on the island other than the guards. It’s in the middle of the Venetian Lagoon. Uncle and cousin were below ground in the front. Still haven’t figured it out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 3:18:05 GMT 1
I think there are things yet to be explained. Although why do ghosts never appear in malls or whatnot? Are they allergic to some places or crowds? Yeah, you'd think there'd be one ghost bold enough to appear in a stadium and say "BOO! Ghosts are real, mofos!"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 3:26:27 GMT 1
Or any other paranormal phenomenon? Ive never heard any account or been made aware of any evidence that ever led me to give the idea credibility. In fact I sort of resent the notion of taking it seriously. Have you seen those official UFO videos? I do believe there's a practical explanation for everything- but WTF are those things?!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 10, 2020 4:36:51 GMT 1
Ive never heard any account or been made aware of any evidence that ever led me to give the idea credibility. In fact I sort of resent the notion of taking it seriously. Have you seen those official UFO videos? I do believe there's a practical explanation for everything- but WTF are those things?! I think I did if you’re talking about the ones where they’re tracking a flying craft, but can you throw me a link so we’re talking about the same thing? Btw my general stance on things is that if we can’t confirm the answer, then I can’t declare a belief. So the videos I’ve seen appear to have what we could imagine an alien ship to be, but without any confirmation of that I’m not sure “This is flown by a being which evolved on another planet and developed technology capable of traveling thousands of light years to Earth but managed to be captured doing so in secret without altering the entire human species” is actually the best explanation.
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Post by equality72521 on Aug 10, 2020 4:53:07 GMT 1
Science will eventually explain everything... unless we blow ourselves up first.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 10, 2020 4:54:56 GMT 1
The short answer is no.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 10, 2020 5:03:06 GMT 1
Science will eventually explain everything... unless we blow ourselves up first. it almost has. We even have models of universe formation which, perhaps not coincidentally match our own
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Post by equality72521 on Aug 10, 2020 5:16:14 GMT 1
Science will eventually explain everything... unless we blow ourselves up first. it almost has. We even have models of universe formation which, perhaps not coincidentally match our own And yet we still haven't unified that pesky field theory yet, have we?
Sheldon Cooper's contributions notwithstanding....
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 10, 2020 5:37:13 GMT 1
it almost has. We even have models of universe formation which, perhaps not coincidentally match our own And yet we still haven't unified that pesky field theory yet, have we?
Sheldon Cooper's contributions notwithstanding....
well that’s why I said almost ;-)
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 10, 2020 13:06:12 GMT 1
I believe in myself. Does that answer your question?
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Post by charzhino on Aug 10, 2020 14:02:20 GMT 1
No. Standard model of particle physics has pretty much explained the exact mechanics of every real world interaction we can observe. Therefore there is no such thing as ghosts, that you might see, feel, hear or touch. And that goes for other magic feats like spoon bending, telekinses, etc
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 14:32:58 GMT 1
I think there are things yet to be explained. Although why do ghosts never appear in malls or whatnot? Are they allergic to some places or crowds? Yeah, you'd think there'd be one ghost bold enough to appear in a stadium and say "BOO! Ghosts are real, mofos!" Sure why not? Wasnt thinking that specifically but now you have convinced me lol. Let's set up a fund me campaign
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 14:34:55 GMT 1
I believe in myself. Does that answer your question? You are a ghost!!!@#@#!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 18:13:04 GMT 1
Have you seen those official UFO videos? I do believe there's a practical explanation for everything- but WTF are those things?! I think I did if you’re talking about the ones where they’re tracking a flying craft, but can you throw me a link so we’re talking about the same thing? Btw my general stance on things is that if we can’t confirm the answer, then I can’t declare a belief. So the videos I’ve seen appear to have what we could imagine an alien ship to be, but without any confirmation of that I’m not sure “This is flown by a being which evolved on another planet and developed technology capable of traveling thousands of light years to Earth but managed to be captured doing so in secret without altering the entire human species” is actually the best explanation. Yeah, I'm with you on that, I don't want to offend anyone by going there, but this is also how I am with religion- I was actually raised a Catholic, went to a catholic school and all, but as an adult I just can't believe in things without solid proof. I WANT to believe. I mean, who doesn't want an afterlife? I'd celebrate if I had proof, but I just can't believe in things because I want them to be real. I sometimes wish I could. Life seems so much easier for people who can do that,
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 10, 2020 21:30:28 GMT 1
I think I did if you’re talking about the ones where they’re tracking a flying craft, but can you throw me a link so we’re talking about the same thing? Btw my general stance on things is that if we can’t confirm the answer, then I can’t declare a belief. So the videos I’ve seen appear to have what we could imagine an alien ship to be, but without any confirmation of that I’m not sure “This is flown by a being which evolved on another planet and developed technology capable of traveling thousands of light years to Earth but managed to be captured doing so in secret without altering the entire human species” is actually the best explanation. Yeah, I'm with you on that, I don't want to offend anyone by going there, but this is also how I am with religion- I was actually raised a Catholic, went to a catholic school and all, but as an adult I just can't believe in things without solid proof. I WANT to believe. I mean, who doesn't want an afterlife? I'd celebrate if I had proof, but I just can't believe in things because I want them to be real. I sometimes wish I could. Life seems so much easier for people who can do that, I don’t actually have any interest in an afterlife because I don’t have a problem with the concept of not existing. I didn’t exist throughout history. I don’t exist right now in a France. Not existing just isn’t a concern and so being immortal in some weird way isn’t a thing. Also I find the concept pretty much ridiculous, because as far as we can determine all of our thoughts happen as a result of our physical brain. And we’ve only become more sure of that through medical research. Afterlife’s were a thought when we knew nothing about the brain and consciousness was completely mysterious. So the idea of an afterlife has no basis in known reality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 0:32:51 GMT 1
Yeah, I'm with you on that, I don't want to offend anyone by going there, but this is also how I am with religion- I was actually raised a Catholic, went to a catholic school and all, but as an adult I just can't believe in things without solid proof. I WANT to believe. I mean, who doesn't want an afterlife? I'd celebrate if I had proof, but I just can't believe in things because I want them to be real. I sometimes wish I could. Life seems so much easier for people who can do that, I don’t actually have any interest in an afterlife because I don’t have a problem with the concept of not existing. I didn’t exist throughout history. I don’t exist right now in a France. Not existing just isn’t a concern and so being immortal in some weird way isn’t a thing. Also I find the concept pretty much ridiculous, because as far as we can determine all of our thoughts happen as a result of our physical brain. And we’ve only become more sure of that through medical research. Afterlife’s were a thought when we knew nothing about the brain and consciousness was completely mysterious. So the idea of an afterlife has no basis in known reality. Interesting take. What if heaven featured a non stop MCU marathon? You can't tell me you wouldn't want to watch Thor The Dark World over and over again for all eternity! ...Though for some that exact concept would be the definition of hell! 😈 Innit, AQUA KEN! ?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 11, 2020 1:29:59 GMT 1
I don’t actually have any interest in an afterlife because I don’t have a problem with the concept of not existing. I didn’t exist throughout history. I don’t exist right now in a France. Not existing just isn’t a concern and so being immortal in some weird way isn’t a thing. Also I find the concept pretty much ridiculous, because as far as we can determine all of our thoughts happen as a result of our physical brain. And we’ve only become more sure of that through medical research. Afterlife’s were a thought when we knew nothing about the brain and consciousness was completely mysterious. So the idea of an afterlife has no basis in known reality. Interesting take. What if heaven featured a non stop MCU marathon? You can't tell me you wouldn't want to watch Thor The Dark World over and over again for all eternity! ...Though for some that exact concept would be the definition of hell! 😈 Innit, AQUA KEN! ? lololol I mean it would be great for the first hundred years, But then what about the thousand after that And the million after that And the billion after that And you still have eternity left Eternal would be no gift. It would be a curse. The idea that we have one chance to experience reality is what makes life important.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 1:53:08 GMT 1
I think I did if you’re talking about the ones where they’re tracking a flying craft, but can you throw me a link so we’re talking about the same thing? Btw my general stance on things is that if we can’t confirm the answer, then I can’t declare a belief. So the videos I’ve seen appear to have what we could imagine an alien ship to be, but without any confirmation of that I’m not sure “This is flown by a being which evolved on another planet and developed technology capable of traveling thousands of light years to Earth but managed to be captured doing so in secret without altering the entire human species” is actually the best explanation. Yeah, I'm with you on that, I don't want to offend anyone by going there, but this is also how I am with religion- I was actually raised a Catholic, went to a catholic school and all, but as an adult I just can't believe in things without solid proof. I WANT to believe. I mean, who doesn't want an afterlife? I'd celebrate if I had proof, but I just can't believe in things because I want them to be real. I sometimes wish I could. Life seems so much easier for people who can do that, Also what makes Christianity any more real than what the Ancient Greeks or Egyptians believed?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 4:20:46 GMT 1
Yeah, I'm with you on that, I don't want to offend anyone by going there, but this is also how I am with religion- I was actually raised a Catholic, went to a catholic school and all, but as an adult I just can't believe in things without solid proof. I WANT to believe. I mean, who doesn't want an afterlife? I'd celebrate if I had proof, but I just can't believe in things because I want them to be real. I sometimes wish I could. Life seems so much easier for people who can do that, Also what makes Christianity any more real than what the Ancient Greeks or Egyptians believed? Indeed! I love the idea of a Pope arriving in the afterlife and meeting Quetzelquatal the Mayan Feathered Serpent God.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 11, 2020 4:41:33 GMT 1
I think I did if you’re talking about the ones where they’re tracking a flying craft, but can you throw me a link so we’re talking about the same thing? Btw my general stance on things is that if we can’t confirm the answer, then I can’t declare a belief. So the videos I’ve seen appear to have what we could imagine an alien ship to be, but without any confirmation of that I’m not sure “This is flown by a being which evolved on another planet and developed technology capable of traveling thousands of light years to Earth but managed to be captured doing so in secret without altering the entire human species” is actually the best explanation. Yeah, I'm with you on that, I don't want to offend anyone by going there, but this is also how I am with religion- I was actually raised a Catholic, went to a catholic school and all, but as an adult I just can't believe in things without solid proof. I WANT to believe. I mean, who doesn't want an afterlife? I'd celebrate if I had proof, but I just can't believe in things because I want them to be real. I sometimes wish I could. Life seems so much easier for people who can do that, I wanted to touch in the idea that people who can believe that stuff have easier lives. I mean I don’t have any problem not believing it, and there’s data that suggests people who do are wealthier or healthier or anything like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 6:08:35 GMT 1
Yeah, I'm with you on that, I don't want to offend anyone by going there, but this is also how I am with religion- I was actually raised a Catholic, went to a catholic school and all, but as an adult I just can't believe in things without solid proof. I WANT to believe. I mean, who doesn't want an afterlife? I'd celebrate if I had proof, but I just can't believe in things because I want them to be real. I sometimes wish I could. Life seems so much easier for people who can do that, I wanted to touch in the idea that people who can believe that stuff have easier lives. I mean I don’t have any problem not believing it, and there’s data that suggests people who do are wealthier or healthier or anything like that. Well, it makes it way easier to accept the loss of loved ones if you believe you'll see them again some day. I admit I very much miss believing that the way I did when I was a kid. Man, we're getting deep here, Archie. I do enjoy our existential conversations. Just hanging out discussing the MCU and the final destination of our mortal souls. Good stuff!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 11, 2020 13:17:04 GMT 1
I wanted to touch in the idea that people who can believe that stuff have easier lives. I mean I don’t have any problem not believing it, and there’s data that suggests people who do are wealthier or healthier or anything like that. Well, it makes it way easier to accept the loss of loved ones if you believe you'll see them again some day. I admit I very much miss believing that the way I did when I was a kid. Man, we're getting deep here, Archie. I do enjoy our existential conversations. Just hanging out discussing the MCU and the final destination of our mortal souls. Good stuff! Me too. This is good stuff. And I can’t rightly say how thinking you’ll see them again would feel. I can say that I treat death as a celebration. Oh I definitely get upset and miss loved ones, and even people I didn’t know or members of other species. But in the end I more appreciate what their life was and smile at the good times. I’d just rather accept the reality of the situation I suppose. And that makes me wonder/ask, are religious people really less upset About the death of loved ones? It doesn’t seem like it. Do they value life less? IDK. It’s what precipitates from believing in afterlife’s that irks me though. Rules get set up for who qualifies and I’ve seen kids ostracized from their families over it. And those aren’t just extreme cases, that’s somewhat common. I know of pastors who stopped believing who are trapped by their community. And all but one member of Congress ever has admitted they’re an atheist. Come onnnnn, you really think all those people believe? I highly doubt it, but they have to say they do to get elected. To me its a bit of a suffocating practice. My grandfather confessed to me on what turned out to be his deathbed that he never believed it, yet he claimed to his whole life. I should have known because they never talked about it even though they’d take me to church on occasion. I could go on but I’m not a fan.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Aug 11, 2020 14:42:46 GMT 1
To get less deep: Anyone have any personal (apparently) ghost/paranormal experiences? Archie, you’re up first!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 11, 2020 17:54:48 GMT 1
To get less deep: Anyone have any personal (apparently) ghost/paranormal experiences? Archie, you’re up first! lol :-) first it is none for me. And I’ve stayed in “haunted” hotels by myself walking around at 2 am. One of my traveling hobbies was exploring ancient graveyards. Nadda
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 19:04:30 GMT 1
Well, it makes it way easier to accept the loss of loved ones if you believe you'll see them again some day. I admit I very much miss believing that the way I did when I was a kid. Man, we're getting deep here, Archie. I do enjoy our existential conversations. Just hanging out discussing the MCU and the final destination of our mortal souls. Good stuff! Me too. This is good stuff. And I can’t rightly say how thinking you’ll see them again would feel. I can say that I treat death as a celebration. Oh I definitely get upset and miss loved ones, and even people I didn’t know or members of other species. But in the end I more appreciate what their life was and smile at the good times. I’d just rather accept the reality of the situation I suppose. And that makes me wonder/ask, are religious people really less upset About the death of loved ones? It doesn’t seem like it. Do they value life less? IDK. It’s what precipitates from believing in afterlife’s that irks me though. Rules get set up for who qualifies and I’ve seen kids ostracized from their families over it. And those aren’t just extreme cases, that’s somewhat common. I know of pastors who stopped believing who are trapped by their community. And all but one member of Congress ever has admitted they’re an atheist. Come onnnnn, you really think all those people believe? I highly doubt it, but they have to say they do to get elected. To me its a bit of a suffocating practice. My grandfather confessed to me on what turned out to be his deathbed that he never believed it, yet he claimed to his whole life. I should have known because they never talked about it even though they’d take me to church on occasion. I could go on but I’m not a fan. So on those occasions as a child when you went to church did you believe or were you just forced to go? Did your grandfather confirm something you already knew or was that a revelation at the time? I actually envy people who were raised without religion. I think you form a more realistic and pragmatic view of reality. I have an aunt who raised my cousins without religion and the entire family has criticized them for it for years. Personally I view the practice of forcing beliefs on children to be downright irresponsible and cruel. If you believe in these things and then grew up to face the reality of life it can be a jarring and devastating experience.
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