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Post by charzhino on Jun 10, 2020 19:27:53 GMT 1
Agree with this assessment. The opening Holocaust intro sets the tone of what the franchise is going for. A realisitic, grounded take (I know thats a frowned upon phrase) of the X-men world. I watched it again about 8 months ago and it holds up pretty well - besides the black leather and other pop references of the time. I wish they did give Cyclops more authority but I do love the glimpse of him as a confident field leader at the end when he's lining up his optic blast to fire at the spinning metal frame which Rogue is trapped in, I always thought that was very cool. I have a shot, I'm taking it.
Yes that's my only issue as well. Otherwise, this is probably the best paced comic book movie I've ever seen, right next to The Avengers. Each scene flows to the other so smoothly and progresses the story effortlessely. X-men 1 did have moments where is slowed down too much, here it's perfect.
I still enjoy this a lot. The direction and feel of the movie is very noticeably different to Singers first 2. X3 is a case of me wanting more on everything we got. I wanted more Angel character development. More Storm leading the X-men. More Iceman vs Pyro fued. More of Jean Grey fighting her instincts rather than just standing around. More Rogue being conflicted over the cure. More Kelsey Grammer, who was fantastic. Movie should have been 30 minutes longer, but even as it is its still easily better than Dark Phoenix 2019.
A solid semi-reboot. Some of the best scenes in the franchise. Magneto fishes out the submarine. Magneto stops the missiles. Magneto kills the Nazis in the bar. Magneto killing Shaw with the coin. Magneto turning the satellite. You can see why this movie was originally meant to be a Magneto solo origin. The only negative is I didn't care for the B-mutants like Angel, Banshee or Darwin (his death was unexplicable)
The best comic book movie ever imo. Wouldn't really change much other than I would have liked Rogue to emerge with her powers of flight to fight the Sentinels at the end. I wouldn't mind seeing Kitty play Logans role as in the comics, but I understand why Wolverine was chosen.
Very underrated. Awesome premise of having Logan go to Japan to fight the Yakuza. This is the first real comic movie to feature a predominant non-white cast, not Black Panther. That gets overlooked a lot. I agree Mariko didn't have much chemistry with Logan and their romance felt forced. I don't get why people have a problem with the 3rd act. This is a comic book movie yet critics complain about a giant silver samariu? Shows the hypocrisy when they love anything MCU related no matter how wacky it is, yet they think The Wolverines ending is stupid. Look at the critics consensus:
Although its final act succumbs to the usual cartoonish antics, The Wolverine is one superhero movie that manages to stay true to the comics while keeping casual viewers entertained.
''Final act succumbs to the usual cartoonish antics''. WTF? That describes every MCU movie made yet they all get free passes to high RT scores. Just another piece of evidence that non-MCU comic book movies are judged to a different standard. My man! Thanks for weighing in. What are your thoughts on Logan? It's a great send off to the character but it is slightly overrated. I wasn't overly convinced with the emotional climax of Laura and Logan. They only knew each other for little over a day so the whole ''daddy' ending is quite forced to me. Would have had greater impact if one of the original X-men was also around like Kitty Pryde. But I'd rank Logan 3rd or 4th overall behind DOFP and X2.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 0:44:38 GMT 1
Spiderman 2
What words, what mere words can describe such a divine creation? I do not dare attempt it, for any attempt would be utterly insufficient. I am but a mortal gazing upon a magnificent angel, descended from the very heavens above. I shall bask in its glory and drink it in like sweet nectar upon my unworthy tongue. For such delights are fit only for the gods above. I may commission a thousand poets to offer praise through epic prose, but it would be in vain. A gift to mankind. Undeserved it may be, we remain forever grateful.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 11, 2020 5:51:04 GMT 1
Spiderman 2 What words, what mere words can describe such a divine creation? I do not dare attempt it, for any attempt would be utterly insufficient. I am but a mortal gazing upon a magnificent angel, descended from the very heavens above. I shall bask in its glory and drink it in like sweet nectar upon my unworthy tongue. For such delights are fit only for the gods above. I may commission a thousand poets to offer praise through epic prose, but it would be in vain. A gift to mankind. Undeserved it may be, we remain forever grateful. Nah it sucked. 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 18:21:15 GMT 1
Spiderman 2 What words, what mere words can describe such a divine creation? I do not dare attempt it, for any attempt would be utterly insufficient. I am but a mortal gazing upon a magnificent angel, descended from the very heavens above. I shall bask in its glory and drink it in like sweet nectar upon my unworthy tongue. For such delights are fit only for the gods above. I may commission a thousand poets to offer praise through epic prose, but it would be in vain. A gift to mankind. Undeserved it may be, we remain forever grateful. Nah it sucked. 🤣🤣🤣 Oh.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 2:04:28 GMT 1
Spiderman 3
A deeply flawed feature to be sure, but damn entertaining. I hated it when it came out and over time grew to really enjoy it. It's a really fun watch. GET UP AND DRIVE YOUR FUNKY SOUL!!!!!@!!!!&!!
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Jun 12, 2020 2:08:58 GMT 1
Spiderman 3 A deeply flawed feature near perfect film to be sure, but damn entertaining. I hated when it came out and over time grew to really enjoy it. It's a really fun watch. GET UP AND DRIVE YOUR FUNKY SOUL!!!!!@!!!!&!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2020 2:09:30 GMT 1
Here's the list so far....
Marvel Movies from First to Worst...
1) Spiderman 2 X2 X Men United X Men Days of Future Past Spiderman 5) X Men Logan Spiderman 3 X Men First Class X Men Last Stand 10) The Wolverine
Coming up next: The MCU!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2020 18:23:53 GMT 1
Captain America TFA
Captain America how exciting! I AM A GREAT FAN OF YOUR FILMS! Ah, the first Cap movie. Still one of my favorite MCU entries. I love that they really went for the action-serial B movie style. Act One is exceptional: superb characterization of Rogers, perfect blend of real world 1940s and fantasy world 1940s. Act Three is also very good. Act Two stumbles a bit though: too many montages, too many blue lasers and giant tanks make it a touch too cartoony. And Red Skull disappears for too long. Such an iconic underrated Marvel villain! If he had just one or two more scenes in Act Two I'm convinced he would've been remembered as one of the best in the MCU. Hugo Weaving nails it!
Marvel Movies from First to Worst...
1) Spiderman 2 X2 X Men United X Men Days of Future Past Spiderman 5) X Men Logan Captain America TFA Spiderman 3 X Men First Class 10) X Men Last Stand The Wolverine
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 15, 2020 1:59:42 GMT 1
Captain America TFA Captain America how exciting! I AM A GREAT FAN OF YOUR FILMS! Ah, the first Cap movie. Still one of my favorite MCU entries. I love that they really went for the action-serial B movie style. Act One is exceptional: superb characterization of Rogers, perfect blend of real world 1940s and fantasy world 1940s. Act Three is also very good. Act Two stumbles a bit though: too many montages, too many blue lasers and giant tanks make it a touch too cartoony. And Red Skull disappears for too long. Such an iconic underrated Marvel villain! If he had just one or two more scenes in Act Two I'm convinced he would've been remembered as one of the best in the MCU. Hugo Weaving nails it! It’s funny, I love this one for...reasons you no doubt know already! But I’m willing to admit it’s far from perfect, and the last time I saw it (years ago; Lordy) Act II struck me as slow too. The early non-actiony ’40s material is probably my favorite thing about the MCU. Still my #2 in the whole “universe.” By the way, loving these reviews, m’friend! I’m almost completely in the dark on the X-Men stuff, mea culpa, but I’m so enjoying the Raimi and MCU stuff!
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 15, 2020 2:08:15 GMT 1
Spiderman 2 What words, what mere words can describe such a divine creation? I do not dare attempt it, for any attempt would be utterly insufficient. I am but a mortal gazing upon a magnificent angel, descended from the very heavens above. I shall bask in its glory and drink it in like sweet nectar upon my unworthy tongue. For such delights are fit only for the gods above. I may commission a thousand poets to offer praise through epic prose, but it would be in vain. A gift to mankind. Undeserved it may be, we remain forever grateful. Much have I travell'd in the realms of gold, And in many movie theaters been; And many, many movies have I seen Which bards in fealty to Raimi hold. Oft of one CBM had I been told, Greater than th’ Elysian Fields of green; Yet when at last I saw it on the screen ’Twas e’en more wondrous than th’ Bards unfold: Then felt I like some watcher of the skies When a new planet swims into his ken; Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes He stared at the Pacific—and all his men Look'd at each other with a wild surmise— Silent, upon a peak in Darien.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 2:34:25 GMT 1
Captain America TFA Captain America how exciting! I AM A GREAT FAN OF YOUR FILMS! Ah, the first Cap movie. Still one of my favorite MCU entries. I love that they really went for the action-serial B movie style. Act One is exceptional: superb characterization of Rogers, perfect blend of real world 1940s and fantasy world 1940s. Act Three is also very good. Act Two stumbles a bit though: too many montages, too many blue lasers and giant tanks make it a touch too cartoony. And Red Skull disappears for too long. Such an iconic underrated Marvel villain! If he had just one or two more scenes in Act Two I'm convinced he would've been remembered as one of the best in the MCU. Hugo Weaving nails it! It’s funny, I love this one for...reasons you no doubt know already! But I’m willing to admit it’s far from perfect, and the last time I saw it (years ago; Lordy) Act II struck me as slow too. The early non-actiony ’40s material is probably my favorite thing about the MCU. Still my #2 in the whole “universe.” By the way, loving these reviews, m’friend! I’m almost completely in the dark on the X-Men stuff, mea culpa, but I’m so enjoying the Raimi and MCU stuff! Thanks, my friend! I am keeping em up till the end of the line- though it may take weeks! You haven't seen the X Men movies? Time for another Salzmank Watches thread!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 2:35:13 GMT 1
Spiderman 2 What words, what mere words can describe such a divine creation? I do not dare attempt it, for any attempt would be utterly insufficient. I am but a mortal gazing upon a magnificent angel, descended from the very heavens above. I shall bask in its glory and drink it in like sweet nectar upon my unworthy tongue. For such delights are fit only for the gods above. I may commission a thousand poets to offer praise through epic prose, but it would be in vain. A gift to mankind. Undeserved it may be, we remain forever grateful. Much have I travell'd in the realms of gold, And in many movie theaters been; And many, many movies have I seen Which bards in fealty to Raimi hold. Oft of one CBM had I been told, Greater than th’ Elysian Fields of green; Yet when at last I saw it on the screen ’Twas e’en more wondrous than th’ Bards unfold: Then felt I like some watcher of the skies When a new planet swims into his ken; Or like stout Cortez when with eagle eyes He stared at the Pacific—and all his men Look'd at each other with a wild surmise— Silent, upon a peak in Darien. BRILLIANT!!!@!!
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 15, 2020 3:31:27 GMT 1
It’s funny, I love this one for...reasons you no doubt know already! But I’m willing to admit it’s far from perfect, and the last time I saw it (years ago; Lordy) Act II struck me as slow too. The early non-actiony ’40s material is probably my favorite thing about the MCU. Still my #2 in the whole “universe.” By the way, loving these reviews, m’friend! I’m almost completely in the dark on the X-Men stuff, mea culpa, but I’m so enjoying the Raimi and MCU stuff! Thanks, my friend! I am keeping em up till the end of the line- though it may take weeks! You haven't seen the X Men movies? Time for another Salzmank Watches thread! ’Course! Enjoy the marathon, it seems like a great yearly tradition! I’ve seen half of X-Men…and more or less than half of X2. Unfortunately, I didn’t really like X2 at the time; mostly I kind of felt it was too goofy for its own good. Would have to watch them again to be sure what my opinions on them are, but I remember not much liking Jackman’s Wolverine. I once started watching X3 on TV and liked it more, in large part because of Kelsey Grammer. The one I should really watch at some point is Logan, with all the great reviews it got. I may borrow a copy from my uncle, who has semi-legal copies of, oh, just about every movie made in the last 20 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2020 6:34:01 GMT 1
Thanks, my friend! I am keeping em up till the end of the line- though it may take weeks! You haven't seen the X Men movies? Time for another Salzmank Watches thread! ’Course! Enjoy the marathon, it seems like a great yearly tradition! I’ve seen half of X-Men…and more or less than half of X2. Unfortunately, I didn’t really like X2 at the time; mostly I kind of felt it was too goofy for its own good. Would have to watch them again to be sure what my opinions on them are, but I remember not much liking Jackman’s Wolverine. I once started watching X3 on TV and liked it more, in large part because of Kelsey Grammer. The one I should really watch at some point is Logan, with all the great reviews it got. I may borrow a copy from my uncle, who has semi-legal copies of, oh, just about every movie made in the last 20 years. Kelsey Grammer as Beast was brilliant casting. Logan is good, but a little too self serious and bleak- it's similar to Joker in that way. I didn't actually write a review of it above. Perhaps I should. I would reccomend you try Days of Future Past instead. It's pretty great.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 21:13:56 GMT 1
Spiderman Homecoming
I don't mind the decision to go for a lighter, more "modern" version of Spiderman. But doubling down on the Holland movies essentially being high school comedies just doesn't work for me. The first half of this movie just feels so weightless. Peter's entire arc revolves around joining the Avengers, and that's... fine? It works but it also makes this movie far less concerned with establishing any of the Spiderman mythos. Things do really pick up in the second half though. The ferry sequence is quite good, Tony taking away the suit finally adds some depth to the story, and the big twist is what really saves this thing and elevates it from a mediocre Spidey movie to a good Spidey movie. Holland is good. Keaton is great. The movie, as a whole, is good enough, but leaves a lot to be desired. Objectively better than Spiderman 3, but nowhere near as much fun to watch.
Marvel Movies from First to Worst...
1) Spiderman 2 X2 X Men United X Men Days of Future Past Spiderman 5) X Men Logan Captain America TFA Spiderman Homecoming Spiderman 3 10) X Men First Class X Men Last Stand The Wolverine
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 18, 2020 21:30:13 GMT 1
Spiderman Homecoming I don't mind the decision to go for a lighter, more "modern" version of Spiderman. But doubling down on the Holland movies essentially being high school comedies just doesn't work for me. The first half of this movie just feels so weightless. Peter's entire arc revolves around joining the Avengers, and that's... fine? It works but it also makes this movie far less concerned with establishing any of the Spiderman mythos. Things do really pick up in the second half though. The ferry sequence is quite good, Tony taking away the suit finally adds some depth to the story, and the big twist is what really saves this thing and elevates it from a mediocre Spidey movie to a good Spidey movie. Holland is good. Keaton is great. The movie, as a whole, is good enough, but leaves a lot to be desired. Objectively better than Spiderman 3, but nowhere near as much fun to watch. To me the best Spidey on film moment is from Homecoming. When he buried under Vulture's lair and he sees that he actually is Spider-man. Even without the suit. He litterally steps up as a hero and rises from the ashes. And after that he knows he is good enough on his own and doesnt need to join The Avengers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 21:33:28 GMT 1
Spiderman Homecoming I don't mind the decision to go for a lighter, more "modern" version of Spiderman. But doubling down on the Holland movies essentially being high school comedies just doesn't work for me. The first half of this movie just feels so weightless. Peter's entire arc revolves around joining the Avengers, and that's... fine? It works but it also makes this movie far less concerned with establishing any of the Spiderman mythos. Things do really pick up in the second half though. The ferry sequence is quite good, Tony taking away the suit finally adds some depth to the story, and the big twist is what really saves this thing and elevates it from a mediocre Spidey movie to a good Spidey movie. Holland is good. Keaton is great. The movie, as a whole, is good enough, but leaves a lot to be desired. Objectively better than Spiderman 3, but nowhere near as much fun to watch. To me the best Spidey on film moment is from Homecoming. When he buried under Vulture's lair and he sees that he actually is Spider-man. Even without the suit. He litterally steps up as a hero and rises from the ashes. And after that he knows he is good enough on his own and doesnt need to join The Avengers. That's a terrific scene, when he's buried in the rubble. To me, everything from the Vulture twist onward is pretty excellent.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 18, 2020 22:01:38 GMT 1
Spiderman Homecoming I don't mind the decision to go for a lighter, more "modern" version of Spiderman. But doubling down on the Holland movies essentially being high school comedies just doesn't work for me. The first half of this movie just feels so weightless. Peter's entire arc revolves around joining the Avengers, and that's... fine? It works but it also makes this movie far less concerned with establishing any of the Spiderman mythos. Things do really pick up in the second half though. The ferry sequence is quite good, Tony taking away the suit finally adds some depth to the story, and the big twist is what really saves this thing and elevates it from a mediocre Spidey movie to a good Spidey movie. Holland is good. Keaton is great. The movie, as a whole, is good enough, but leaves a lot to be desired. Objectively better than Spiderman 3, but nowhere near as much fun to watch. Agreed with all of this. Oddly enough, Spidey seems like a supporting character in his own movie here—especially when Iron Man is there throughout the first half. All in all, I like the movie, but as you say the second half is far superior, and (all) the Raimis are more fun. Keaton, yes, is great. The twist is exceptional—is it weird to say it might be make my Top 10 Movie Twists list, if I had such a thing (I don’t, honest!)? What makes it great is not only how well-set-up it is but also how you wouldn’t expect that kind of twist in this kind of movie. If it appeared in a mystery or a thriller, sure, it may be surprising, but surprises happen in mysteries and thrillers. But in a summer blockbuster superhero flick? In a weird way, that just makes Spider-Man: Far From Home even more disappointing: both movies share two of the same writers, but in the sequel the blindingly obvious “twists” are awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 22:25:54 GMT 1
Spiderman Homecoming I don't mind the decision to go for a lighter, more "modern" version of Spiderman. But doubling down on the Holland movies essentially being high school comedies just doesn't work for me. The first half of this movie just feels so weightless. Peter's entire arc revolves around joining the Avengers, and that's... fine? It works but it also makes this movie far less concerned with establishing any of the Spiderman mythos. Things do really pick up in the second half though. The ferry sequence is quite good, Tony taking away the suit finally adds some depth to the story, and the big twist is what really saves this thing and elevates it from a mediocre Spidey movie to a good Spidey movie. Holland is good. Keaton is great. The movie, as a whole, is good enough, but leaves a lot to be desired. Objectively better than Spiderman 3, but nowhere near as much fun to watch. Agreed with all of this. Oddly enough, Spidey seems like a supporting character in his own movie here—especially when Iron Man is there throughout the first half. All in all, I like the movie, but as you say the second half is far superior, and (all) the Raimis are more fun. Keaton, yes, is great. The twist is exceptional—is it weird to say it might be make my Top 10 Movie Twists list, if I had such a thing (I don’t, honest!)? What makes it great is not only how well-set-up it is but also how you wouldn’t expect that kind of twist in this kind of movie. If it appeared in a mystery or a thriller, sure, it may be surprising, but surprises happen in mysteries and thrillers. But in a summer blockbuster superhero flick? In a weird way, that just makes Spider-Man: Far From Home even more disappointing: both movies share two of the same writers, but in the sequel the blindingly obvious “twists” are awful.I don't think that was intended as a twist.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 18, 2020 22:36:53 GMT 1
I don't think that was intended as a twist. Mysterio in FFH?
If that were the case, they should have filled us in on his being a bad guy from the beginning—so it wouldn’t feel like a twist on the viewer when the whole bar-not-being-a-bar thing came along. Columbo rather than Agatha Christie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 22:41:28 GMT 1
I don't think that was intended as a twist. Mysterio in FFH?
If that were the case, they should have filled us in on his being a bad guy from the beginning—so it wouldn’t feel like a twist on the viewer when the whole bar-not-being-a-bar thing came along. Columbo rather than Agatha Christie. I disagree. Up until that point, you were following things mostly from Peter's perspective with limited cuts to other perspectives. And that's what I believe they were doing with it, showing you the con through Peter's eyes. In the second half, they start expanding how long you spend away from Peter's perspective, showing the metaphorical difference between the scope of just one person and the whole story. It fits with the "fake news" theme they had going.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 18, 2020 22:44:34 GMT 1
Mysterio in FFH?
If that were the case, they should have filled us in on his being a bad guy from the beginning—so it wouldn’t feel like a twist on the viewer when the whole bar-not-being-a-bar thing came along. Columbo rather than Agatha Christie. I disagree. Up until that point, you were following things mostly from Peter's perspective with limited cuts to other perspectives. And that's what I believe they were doing with it, showing you the con through Peter's eyes. In the second half, they start expanding how long you spend away from Peter's perspective, showing the metaphorical difference between the scope of just one person and the whole story. It fits with the "fake news" theme they had going. OK, respectfully disagree. I like following it from Peter’s perspective, but knowing with absolute certainty it’s a con and then seeing it through Peter’s eyes would be far more effective, IMO. But I’ll wait to comment more on this one till it comes up in Ack’s rewatch.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 22:48:20 GMT 1
I disagree. Up until that point, you were following things mostly from Peter's perspective with limited cuts to other perspectives. And that's what I believe they were doing with it, showing you the con through Peter's eyes. In the second half, they start expanding how long you spend away from Peter's perspective, showing the metaphorical difference between the scope of just one person and the whole story. It fits with the "fake news" theme they had going. OK, respectfully disagree. I like following it from Peter’s perspective, but knowing with absolute certainty it’s a con and then seeing it through Peter’s eyes, knowing Peter’s fooled by it, would be farmore effective, IMO. But I’ll wait to comment more on this one till it comes up in Ack’s rewatch. Then maybe Mysterio is just not the Spider-Man for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2020 23:55:27 GMT 1
I disagree. Up until that point, you were following things mostly from Peter's perspective with limited cuts to other perspectives. And that's what I believe they were doing with it, showing you the con through Peter's eyes. In the second half, they start expanding how long you spend away from Peter's perspective, showing the metaphorical difference between the scope of just one person and the whole story. It fits with the "fake news" theme they had going. OK, respectfully disagree. I like following it from Peter’s perspective, but knowing with absolute certainty it’s a con and then seeing it through Peter’s eyes would be far more effective, IMO. But I’ll wait to comment more on this one till it comes up in Ack’s rewatch. I agree. The only reason most fans knew it was a con is because they were already familiar with Mysterio from other material. Within the context of the movie, from the perspective of any audience member unfamiliar with the character, it is absolutely meant to be a twist. At no point is it even foreshadowed, much less revealed, that the Elementals were a ruse. They missed a really big oppertunity for a great reveal too: when MJ drops the device and the hologram appears would have been a perfect moment if they had not ruined it before hand with that dreadful monologue from Beck where he explains it all. The audience could have discovered it along with the protagonist, which is ideal, but they intentionally blew it for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 0:09:48 GMT 1
OK, respectfully disagree. I like following it from Peter’s perspective, but knowing with absolute certainty it’s a con and then seeing it through Peter’s eyes would be far more effective, IMO. But I’ll wait to comment more on this one till it comes up in Ack’s rewatch. I agree. The only reason most fans knew it was a con is because they were already familiar with Mysterio from other material. Within the context of the movie, from the perspective of any audience member unfamiliar with the character, it is absolutely meant to be a twist. At no point is it even foreshadowed, much less revealed, that the Elementals were a ruse. They missed a really big oppertunity for a great reveal too: when MJ drops the device and the hologram appears would have been a perfect moment if they had not ruined it before hand with that dreadful monologue from Beck where he explains it all. The audience could have discovered it along with the protagonist, which is ideal, but they intentionally blew it for some reason. And again, I have to disagree with this. I think they did something very clever with the story structure and Mysterio in this movie. And I don't think there were any missed opportunities in the film. I think it's a great Spider-Man film as is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 0:12:10 GMT 1
I wasn't gonna rewatch this one just yet, but since we're already discussing it, I might as well watch it tonight. Stay tuned....
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 19, 2020 3:27:50 GMT 1
I agree. The only reason most fans knew it was a con is because they were already familiar with Mysterio from other material. Within the context of the movie, from the perspective of any audience member unfamiliar with the character, it is absolutely meant to be a twist. At no point is it even foreshadowed, much less revealed, that the Elementals were a ruse.They missed a really big oppertunity for a great reveal too: when MJ drops the device and the hologram appears would have been a perfect moment if they had not ruined it before hand with that dreadful monologue from Beck where he explains it all. The audience could have discovered it along with the protagonist, which is ideal, but they intentionally blew it for some reason. Exactly! I knew Mysterio from the ’90s Spidey cartoon, so I (far from a Marvel Comics expert) knew he was a baddy. I’d bet most viewers going in knew he was a baddy—and even who didn’t already know the character probably Googled “Spider Man character with fishbowl on head” or “who’s Gyllenhaal in Spider Man.” Yet the movie spends a solid hour trying to convince us he’s a good guy, anyway, just to try to surprise us with revealing him as a bad guy. Huh? It would have been surprising, alas, if he really were a good guy. Was actually half-hoping for that while watching. Agreed on the hologram too. We the audience know (for certain by this point) Beck’s bad—so it needs to be explained again?! This is amateur-hour scriptwriting, honestly—and after that Homecoming twist, to boot. Gah. Honestly think it would have been superior if we’d had a full explanation of Beck’s plan from the get-go. Comics fan would know he’s a baddy, audiences would know he’s a baddy, but the other characters don’t know. Thus your dramatic irony, as Peter adopts Beck as a father-figure.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 5:11:26 GMT 1
Spiderman Far From Home
Okay, so fair warning: this is, in my opinion, one of the MCU's worst movies. But, I don't think it's a bad movie. There are some redeeming qualities. The visual presentation of Mysterio is pretty good. That illusion sequence with the snow globe, zombie Iron Man, ECT is damn fun to watch. Mysterio is actually my favorite Spidey villain so seeing him on screen with FISHBOWL and all was a treat. Gyllelynenenllhall was also enjoyable in the role.
That said, I think the tone of him is all wrong. In the comics he is pure pulpy B movie sci fi. It's why I like him. This movie gets the images correct, but takes all the fun out of him. Some of it is very clever as an adaptation: the drones, the fake story, but it just isn't satisfying to me at all. And that bar scene monologue? The worst scene in the MCU. I'm not kidding. I agree with everything Salzmank said above on that.
Now, as for Peter... They really double down on making Tony the new Uncle Ben. And I'm actually fine with it. It's different, so why not, I guess. There are a few good scenes of Peter struggling with his grief, but sadly the main inner conflict seems to be "Aw schucks! I just wanna enjoy my vacation!" instead. The personal stakes are just too low.
Add in the painfully cutesy romances, the excessive humor and the character of Brad and this movie really falls short of the bar set by Homecoming.
Like the first movie, the second half is better than the first, but it's just not one of my favorites. Though it is still a fun lighthearted watch.
Marvel Movies from First to Worst...
1) Spiderman 2 X2 X Men United X Men Days of Future Past Spiderman 5) X Men Logan Captain America TFA Spiderman 3 X Men First Class 10) X Men Last Stand Spiderman Far From Home The Wolverine
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 5:19:42 GMT 1
I still maintain everything I said earlier. You guys don't have to like it, but I still think it was a brilliant Spider-Man film with a great theme about how we often lose our ability to think critically when getting swept up in something, whether it be a social movement or what-have-you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 12:45:53 GMT 1
Spiderman 3 A deeply flawed feature near perfect film to be sure, but damn entertaining. I hated when it came out and over time grew to really enjoy it. It's a really fun watch. GET UP AND DRIVE YOUR FUNKY SOUL!!!!!@!!!!&!! Best scene in all of Marvel cinematic history! Woohoo!
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