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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2020 23:58:03 GMT 1
It’s not just that for me though. It’s more that it feels like Star Wars on basic cable. It’s like Xena the Warrior Princess, but with Boba Fett. And it’s just sad to me to see the grandest movie franchise of all time reduced to that honestly. I do see the appeal of it though. I enjoyed parts of it. And I agree with Lord Death Man that it is better than all other Disney SW movies. I find it perplexing that this idea wasn’t used for a film franchise over Solo or Rogue One. With better writers and a bigger budget this could’ve been a pretty solid movie franchise. Interesting. I don’t view the show nature of it as a step down in any way. If anything I’d consider it necessary and given the quality so far a strong expansion. Look at the effects on the dragon and spiders. That stuff is incredible. I’d be happy with all kinds of series like this. It’s not really about the quality of the FX. It’s really more about the lack of imagination and originality. And that’s just my problem with the sets/locations/characters. Don’t even get me started on the writing/directing! I don’t mean to be that guy to rain on the parade so I promise, guys, I won’t dwell on the negatives here. I don’t watch the show anymore so I won’t be commenting on season two.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Nov 12, 2020 0:09:41 GMT 1
Interesting. I don’t view the show nature of it as a step down in any way. If anything I’d consider it necessary and given the quality so far a strong expansion. Look at the effects on the dragon and spiders. That stuff is incredible. I’d be happy with all kinds of series like this. It’s not really about the quality of the FX. It’s really more about the lack of imagination and originality. And that’s just my problem with the sets/locations/characters. Don’t even get me started on the writing/directing! I don’t mean to be that guy to rain on the parade so I promise, guys, I won’t dwell on the negatives here. I don’t watch the show anymore so I won’t be commenting on season two. BUTT IT HAZ JAWAZ !!!!!!1
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 12, 2020 0:16:18 GMT 1
I think hardcore Star Wars fans sometimes respond negatively to the Mandolorian because it lacks the main franchise's urgency and melodrama. There is no confrontation building in The Mandalorian. No uber-villain is lurking in the shadows and pulling strings. No one is going to turn out to be anyone else's brother, sister, or father. The show seems content to be the Kung-Fu of the Star Wars universe. Mando is comfortable wandering the galaxy getting into adventures. That’s not it for me personally. I don’t mind the smaller focus at all. Aside from the production values I honestly just find the writing to be really mediocre and bland. That prison break episode in season one was painful to watch. The writing choices seem completely innocuous and non-offensive to me. They are so sparse that it almost invalidates the idea of critique. It's as if someone purposefully made the dialogue choices so minimal as to move them completely out of the way of the story and action. The Mandalorian's writing - as far as dialogue - is almost nonexistent. In any event, you've made the right choice in deciding not to watch it anymore. It sounds like it was pretty painful for you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 1:09:09 GMT 1
That’s not it for me personally. I don’t mind the smaller focus at all. Aside from the production values I honestly just find the writing to be really mediocre and bland. That prison break episode in season one was painful to watch. The writing choices seem completely innocuous and non-offensive to me. They are so sparse that it almost invalidates the idea of critique. It's as if someone purposefully made the dialogue choices so minimal as to move them completely out of the way of the story and action. The Mandalorian's writing - as far as dialogue - is almost nonexistent. In any event, you've made the right choice in deciding not to watch it anymore. It sounds like it was pretty painful for you. I must admit I have never quite heard the writing of a show defended in such a way. I suppose the theory of Mando being intentionally simplistic as to embrace the idea of mindless entertainment is valid. But I would argue that this particular defense is more of a condemnation of this series than anything I said above. And it was indeed painful. I am in pain just thinking about it! AH THE PAIN AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!@#$&*!!!! GIVE ACKBAR THE OPIOIDS!!!!!!!#
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 12, 2020 4:54:57 GMT 1
The writing choices seem completely innocuous and non-offensive to me. They are so sparse that it almost invalidates the idea of critique. It's as if someone purposefully made the dialogue choices so minimal as to move them completely out of the way of the story and action. The Mandalorian's writing - as far as dialogue - is almost nonexistent. In any event, you've made the right choice in deciding not to watch it anymore. It sounds like it was pretty painful for you. I must admit I have never quite heard the writing of a show defended in such a way. I suppose the theory of Mando being intentionally simplistic as to embrace the idea of mindless entertainment is valid. But I would argue that this particular defense is more of a condemnation of this series than anything I said above. And it was indeed painful. I am in pain just thinking about it! AH THE PAIN AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!@#$&*!!!! GIVE ACKBAR THE OPIOIDS!!!!!!!# LOL! It’s too bad... I’m actually a fan of cinema with minimal dialogue. I hope the next show works out for you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 5:20:10 GMT 1
I must admit I have never quite heard the writing of a show defended in such a way. I suppose the theory of Mando being intentionally simplistic as to embrace the idea of mindless entertainment is valid. But I would argue that this particular defense is more of a condemnation of this series than anything I said above. And it was indeed painful. I am in pain just thinking about it! AH THE PAIN AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!@#$&*!!!! GIVE ACKBAR THE OPIOIDS!!!!!!!# LOL! It’s too bad... I’m actually a fan of cinema with minimal dialogue. I hope the next show works out for you. Believe me, I wanted to like the show. I really did. It's just not for me. I'm glad for all the Star Wars fans that can enjoy it. Star Wars fans deserve a win, even if I can't personally rejoice in it.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Nov 12, 2020 5:22:20 GMT 1
LOL! It’s too bad... I’m actually a fan of cinema with minimal dialogue. I hope the next show works out for you. Believe me, I wanted to like the show. I really did. It's just not for me. I'm glad for all the Star Wars fans that can enjoy it. Star Wars fans deserve a win, even if I can't personally rejoice in it. IT HAZ BABIEZ !!!!!1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 5:25:25 GMT 1
Believe me, I wanted to like the show. I really did. It's just not for me. I'm glad for all the Star Wars fans that can enjoy it. Star Wars fans deserve a win, even if I can't personally rejoice in it. IT HAZ BABIEZ !!!!!1If they ever bring in baby Ackbar I will tune in. And buy all the merchandise.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Nov 12, 2020 5:26:06 GMT 1
If they ever bring in baby Ackbar I will tune in. And buy all the merchandise. Oh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 9:39:15 GMT 1
I think hardcore Star Wars fans sometimes respond negatively to the Mandolorian because it lacks the main franchise's urgency and melodrama. There is no confrontation building in The Mandalorian. No uber-villain is lurking in the shadows and pulling strings. No one is going to turn out to be anyone else's brother, sister, or father. The show seems content to be the Kung-Fu of the Star Wars universe. Mando is comfortable wandering the galaxy getting into adventures. That’s not it for me personally. I don’t mind the smaller focus at all. Aside from the production values I honestly just find the writing to be really mediocre and bland. That prison break episode in season one was painful to watch. What??? That episode was great. What were your issues with it?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 12, 2020 17:22:23 GMT 1
I took the extraordinary step of watching the last episode of The Mandalorian again, and try as hard as I may, I can't find a legitimate reason to hate it that doesn't amount to lint picking.
That being said, there is one excellent reason to hate this show if you're a diehard Star Trek fan. Star Wars continues to excel at production design. An X-Wing fighter from 2020 looks like an X-Wing fighter from 1978. They mostly keep their vehicle designs rooted in the analog tradition with tactile buttons and switches that one must touch. It's incredibly satisfying to hear the sound of a click, pop, or snap when you interact with them. And they use holographic and touch interfaces very judiciously.
In this episode, I noticed that the X-Wing targeting scanner looks almost identical in design to the ones seen in the original trilogy. They still look like a video game that was developed for the Amiga or Commodore 64. The level of attention to detail and overall continuity in production design is laudable.
In Star Trek, we've grudgingly accepted that a ship launched in the year 2254 (USS Discovery) looks centuries more advanced than a ship launched in 2265 (USS Enterprise). Discovery is practically a moving laser light show compared to the Enterprise (which diehards remember for its quaint solenoid switches, wires, and square light-up buttons).
I really wish Star Trek production design would take its cues from Star Wars production design. With the right designers, Discovery could have been an analog dream of super satisfying, crunchy tactility instead of the more sterile gesture and holographic-based interface designs we were given (they have way too many glowing things).
As I said before, I've long accepted this about modern Star Trek, but with Disco season three coming off to such a promising start, it does hurt a little that somewhere else they are getting these kinds of details right.
So.. there you have it. Something terrible about The Mandalorian.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 12, 2020 18:29:30 GMT 1
And their return to form with puppetry and traditional make-up effects is also praiseworthy. Star Wars Production Design doubled down on VFX techniques widely thought to be out-of-date and quaint. That shows courage and dedication to the older fans.
The show has produced nearly nothing even close to the toxic narratives regarding forced diversity, gender, or Gary Stu-ism that the mainline franchise has mostly been unable to overcome.
Naysayers be damned, the Mandalorian is just short of a perfect case study in doing things the right way for the Star Wars franchise.
And let it never be said that a diehard Star Trek fan had nothing good to say about Star Wars.
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 12, 2020 18:41:57 GMT 1
And their return to form with puppetry and traditional make-up effects is also praiseworthy. Star Wars Production Design doubled down on VFX techniques widely thought to be out-of-date and quaint. That shows courage and dedication to the older fans. The show has produced nearly nothing even close to the toxic narratives regarding forced diversity, gender, or Gary Stu-ism that the mainline franchise has mostly been unable to overcome. Naysayers be damned, the Mandalorian is just short of a perfect case study in doing things the right way for the Star Wars franchise. And let it never be said that a diehard Star Trek fan had nothing good to say about Star Wars. So the Trekkies on this board love The Mandalorian but some Warsies do not. This are odd times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 19:24:21 GMT 1
That’s not it for me personally. I don’t mind the smaller focus at all. Aside from the production values I honestly just find the writing to be really mediocre and bland. That prison break episode in season one was painful to watch. What??? That episode was great. What were your issues with it? It felt like something from a basic cable show in the 90s. Space Xena the Mandalorian Princess. 👸🏻
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 19:26:58 GMT 1
And their return to form with puppetry and traditional make-up effects is also praiseworthy. Star Wars Production Design doubled down on VFX techniques widely thought to be out-of-date and quaint. That shows courage and dedication to the older fans. The show has produced nearly nothing even close to the toxic narratives regarding forced diversity, gender, or Gary Stu-ism that the mainline franchise has mostly been unable to overcome. Naysayers be damned, the Mandalorian is just short of a perfect case study in doing things the right way for the Star Wars franchise. And let it never be said that a diehard Star Trek fan had nothing good to say about Star Wars. So the Trekkies on this board love The Mandalorian but some Warsies do not. This are odd times. It kind of makes sense to me though as Star Trek was always at its best on the medium of television. This version of Star Wars may have more in common with its rival series than it does with its own.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 12, 2020 21:11:40 GMT 1
What??? That episode was great. What were your issues with it? It felt like something from a basic cable show in the 90s. Space Xena the Mandalorian Princess. 👸🏻 Xena wasn't basic cable, it was syndicated AND it was AWESOME!!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 12, 2020 21:30:31 GMT 1
It felt like something from a basic cable show in the 90s. Space Xena the Mandalorian Princess. 👸🏻 Xena wasn't basic cable, it was syndicated AND it was AWESOME!! I never could get into this show when I was a kid, but now that it streams on Hulu, I must say that it is an occasional guilty pleasure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 21:56:06 GMT 1
Xena wasn't basic cable, it was syndicated AND it was AWESOME!! I never could get into this show when I was a kid, but now that it streams on Hulu, I must say that it is an occasional guilty pleasure. Really hasnt aged well, same with Hercules
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 12, 2020 22:16:09 GMT 1
I never could get into this show when I was a kid, but now that it streams on Hulu, I must say that it is an occasional guilty pleasure. Really hasnt aged well, same with Hercules The VFX are certainly dated, but people were likely watching this show on 19" or 24" TVs. They could cut back on the slap stick, but sometimes it actually does land. I've never watched Hercules. The messaging around female empowerment in Xena seems to reflect what's going on today. Not sure what you mean by 'hasn't aged well.'
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 22:23:51 GMT 1
Really hasnt aged well, same with Hercules The VFX are certainly dated, but people were likely watching this show on 19" or 24" TVs. They could cut back on the slap stick, but sometimes it actually does land. I've never watched Hercules. The messaging around female empowerment in Xena seems to reflect what's going on today. Not sure what you mean by 'hasn't aged well.' The vfx and it's kinda cheesy
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Post by maximura on Nov 13, 2020 9:54:31 GMT 1
And, as expected, the new episode doesn't make you wait long to pay off the previous episode. I'll withhold spoilage for a few hours, but WATCH THIS EPISODE.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 14, 2020 14:21:42 GMT 1
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Post by maximura on Nov 14, 2020 15:09:59 GMT 1
The eggs weren't fertilized! This would be like cancelling women for periods because those eggs weren't used for reproduction.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Nov 14, 2020 15:16:00 GMT 1
I actually did like this recent episode.
Also liked the little nod to Alien.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 14, 2020 17:18:53 GMT 1
The eggs weren't fertilized! This would be like cancelling women for periods because those eggs weren't used for reproduction. She is so in the bag for WB it’s not even funny anymore. It’s like she’s a bot that is programmed to hate watch all Disney content, and then rant about it in a dumb video. Baby Yoda = Genocidal maniac. Yes, makes perfect sense! I heard they have CLONING in this universe. Is it true?!
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 14, 2020 17:24:56 GMT 1
Yeah the Baby Yoda cancelling thing is beyond stupid. Maybe she should rename her channel like that.
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Post by maximura on Nov 14, 2020 17:25:26 GMT 1
The eggs weren't fertilized! This would be like cancelling women for periods because those eggs weren't used for reproduction. She is so in the bag for WB it’s not even funny anymore. It’s like she’s a bot that is programmed to hate watch all Disney content, and then rant about it in a dumb video. Baby Yoda = Genocidal maniac. Yes, makes perfect sense! I heard they have CLONING in this universe. Is it true! It's one mom. Even if you call it murder, she clearly doesn't know what genocide is.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 14, 2020 21:37:46 GMT 1
If there’s one thing I love in all of Star Wars, it’s hallway gun fights with storm troopers. This reminded me a lot of the prison break of Leia way back in A New Hope, combined with setting Mando off on a direct line for his quest. A couple plot point I thought could have been presented a little smoother but no big deals. Bring on Rosario Dawson.
ArArRating - Pending
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 14, 2020 22:12:24 GMT 1
If there’s one thing I love in all of Star Wars, it’s hallway gun fights with storm troopers. This reminded me a lot of the prison break of Leia way back in A New Hope, combined with setting Mando off on a direct line for his quest. A couple plot point I thought could have been presented a little smoother but no big deals. Bring on Rosario Dawson. ArArRating - Pending Yeah, with the compressed episodes runtimes, plot developments can feel rushed and a bit unnatural at times.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 15, 2020 15:39:30 GMT 1
Alright, officially ArArRated - Squids out of Hallway Laser Battles
Great time. Would have liked to see it spend a few more minutes on some scenes. The show was only 35 minutes so I think they could have run 40 and built a little more tension perhaps but nothing bad.
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