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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 8, 2021 22:55:48 GMT 1
At one point I might've been hesitant to post my review of the film, for fear of ticking off some people. However, since I seem to tick off people without even trying and my reviews for things are mostly ignored anyway, IDFAG anymore. Avengers: Endgame (2019). {Spoiler}It’s still Iron Man’s world and the rest of the Avengers are still just living in it. Well...most of them. The film opens on Jeremy Renner's Hawkeye with his happy family...until he no longer has one on account of them being dusted, which causes him to become vengeful Mohawkeye. Next up it's my least favourite Avenger, Tony Snark, teaching games to Nebula (my favourite Guardian of the Galaxy and the only one of those a-holes I actually LIKE. Mantis, who I also like and who isn't an a-hole, sadly only gets one line in the movie, but at least it's a funny one). The term drawn-out could be used to describe this whole opening with Tony. 'Self-indulgent' would be another. Just because you have a 3-hour+ runtime, Russos, doesn't mean you should waste it lingering on Tony sleeping, etc. I did appreciate, though, that Nebula shows she's grown (as evidenced by the fact she's refrained from beating the snot out of Tony the entire time they've been stuck in space together). I was happy to see her featured so much. Thankfully things finally get moving once Captain Marvel saves their butts and interacts with the team in a scene most have probably watched already. As she points out to Rhodey Rude (whose main role seems to be Joke/Movie Reference Man), she's been on other planets after 'The Snap' that didn't have The Avengers to help them out. The fact that THOR says he likes her should be enough (though obviously won't be for certain people). He also learns from the mistake he made at the end of Infinity War regarding what bodypart to aim for on Thanos (who apparently wiped out half the universe's populace so he could become a farmer and unfortunately destroyed the Infinity Stones). Too bad Nebula's robbed of the chance to end Thanos in this movie (twice!), as she probably deserved to the most. Tony the Drama Queen proves he hasn't grown at all, laying the blame for everything at Cap's feet. A skip to five years later reveals time hasn't been kind to Thor. I'm saddened to see him reduced to this joke, when the first Thor movie is one of my favourites. They've veered too far into 'comedy' for my taste, as here he's played mostly for laughs on account of letting himself go (for those wanting shirtless Thor, you'll get him...though you'll wish you hadn't). Bless Paul Rudd's Scott Lang, as he brings a breath of fresh air to proceedings. His reunion with his (now grown) daughter is one of the few genuinely effective emotional moments in the film. Unfortunately, he's not given the respect he deserves, considering he's the one to come up with the idea of time travel (the subject of which is given the ultimate nerd discussion in this film). They go to Tony, who selfishly refuses to help the others get back everyone they lost since he already HAS everyone HE wants (well...except for Spider-Kid, who is the reason he eventually changes his mind). Cut to after a 'comedic' sequence involving working out the kinks of time-travelling, the gang splits up to retrieve all the stones from the past. This is where the film kicks into gear, as we revisit past MCU films and encounter previous versions of characters. Highlights include: Cap seeing Peggy Carter again, Cap vs Past Cap, Thor spending some precious time with his soon-to-be-deceased mother (plus, a Jane cameo! There's actually lots of cameos in the film, but only a few I cared about) and twice the amount of Nebula. There's one rage-inducing consequence of visiting the past involving Mohawkeye, Natasha and the Soul Stone. If you remember what happened with Gamora, you'll know what that means. Although the character who ends up being the sacrifice gets some good character/emotional beats in this film, it still doesn't make up for the fact they're unceremoniously given the 'permadeath' treatment, thus robbing us of one of the MCU's best characters and the awesome dynamics between them and other characters. Given all the others that could've been offed, WHY'd it have to be...well...you'll see. I'll give the film credit for seamlessly blending the 'present' characters with the past, and once things reach the climax, they definitely ensure this is the most 'epic' battle we've seen yet which involves pretty much every character (except those who're unfortunate enough to stay dead, of course), some of which will be getting future films or TV shows to appear in. I guess that's meant to 'make up for' them not getting much screentime here (like my fave, Wanda. At least she gets some revenge on Thanos and shares an emotional moment with Mohawkeye near the end. I'm looking forward to her show and hopefully future movie appearances too). Captain America gets at least two cheer-worthy moments, while Captain Marvel and her new haircut get to kick some major arse (don't fret, haters...she isn't given the final victory over Thanos. No, we all know who gets THAT privilege). I guess I was supposed to feel sad near the end, but honestly I just felt relief, as it's about time a certain someone faced some actual real consequences. Hopefully other characters will get to thrive/have substantial screentime now that somebody isn't hogging it all. Another good thing about the end is the camera shot which slowly moves through/covers everyone (all these characters we've come to know, plus a few we haven't yet) at the funeral. The BEST part, however, is the final scene. I've waited ever since the first Cap movie (my other fave MCU film) to get to the scene that ends this movie, and I think it's worth it. I'm so very happy with it and who it involves. While there're no mid-credits/post-credits scenes, it's worth sticking around to see the original six Avengers actors literally signing off. It'll probably take a couple of viewings to fully digest this film, as it throws in everything AND the kitchen sink. It's a fitting conclusion to Phase 3 (ignoring Spider-Kid 2). Now, bring on Phase 4!
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Post by charzhino on Apr 8, 2021 23:07:51 GMT 1
I guess I was supposed to feel sad near the end, but honestly I just felt relief, as it's about time a certain someone faced some actual real consequences. Good review. Endgame is a joke of a movie tbh. You cant feel any emotion for any of the "deaths" that take place because they are immediately reanimated within 2 years on screen. Vision, Loki, Black Widow, Nebula, Gamora are all back making jokes soon enough in 1 form of media or another. And Tony Stark will be back soon enough as well you can count on it.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Apr 9, 2021 0:14:32 GMT 1
At one point I might've been hesitant to post my review of the film, for fear of ticking off some people. However, since I seem to tick off people without even trying and my reviews for things are mostly ignored anyway, IDFAG anymore. Avengers: Endgame (2019). {Spoiler}It’s still Iron Man’s world and the rest of the Avengers are still just living in it. Well...most of them. The film opens on Jeremy Renner's Hawkeye with his happy family...until he no longer has one on account of them being dusted, which causes him to become vengeful Mohawkeye. Next up it's my least favourite Avenger, Tony Snark, teaching games to Nebula (my favourite Guardian of the Galaxy and the only one of those a-holes I actually LIKE. Mantis, who I also like and who isn't an a-hole, sadly only gets one line in the movie, but at least it's a funny one). The term drawn-out could be used to describe this whole opening with Tony. 'Self-indulgent' would be another. Just because you have a 3-hour+ runtime, Russos, doesn't mean you should waste it lingering on Tony sleeping, etc. I did appreciate, though, that Nebula shows she's grown (as evidenced by the fact she's refrained from beating the snot out of Tony the entire time they've been stuck in space together). I was happy to see her featured so much. Thankfully things finally get moving once Captain Marvel saves their butts and interacts with the team in a scene most have probably watched already. As she points out to rude Rhodey (whose main role seems to be Joke/Movie Reference Man), she's been on other planets after 'The Snap' that didn't have The Avengers to help them out. The fact that THOR says he likes her should be enough (though obviously won't be for certain people). He also learns from the mistake he made at the end of Infinity War regarding what bodypart to aim for on Thanos (who apparently wiped out half the universe's populace so he could become a farmer and unfortunately destroyed the Infinity Stones). Too bad Nebula's robbed of the chance to end Thanos in this movie (twice!), as she probably deserved to the most. Tony the Drama Queen proves he hasn't grown at all, laying the blame for everything at Cap's feet. A skip to five years later reveals time hasn't been kind to Thor. I'm saddened to see him reduced to this joke, when the first Thor movie is one of my favourites. They've veered too far into 'comedy' for my taste, as here he's played mostly for laughs on account of letting himself go (for those wanting shirtless Thor, you'll get him...though you'll wish you hadn't). Bless Paul Rudd's Scott Lang, as he brings a breath of fresh air to proceedings. His reunion with his (now grown) daughter is one of the few genuinely effective emotional moments in the film. Unfortunately, he's not given the respect he deserves, considering he's the one to come up with the idea of time travel (the subject of which is given the ultimate nerd discussion in this film). They go to Tony, who selfishly refuses to help the others get back everyone they lost since he already HAS everyone HE wants (well...except for Spider-Kid, who is the reason he eventually changes his mind). Cut to after a 'comedic' sequence involving working out the kinks of time-travelling, the gang splits up to retrieve all the stones from the past. This is where the film kicks into gear, as we revisit past MCU films and encounter previous versions of characters. Highlights include: Cap seeing Peggy Carter again, Cap vs Past Cap, Thor spending some precious time with his soon-to-be-deceased mother (plus, a Jane cameo! There's actually lots of cameos in the film, but only a few I cared about) and twice the amount of Nebula. There's one rage-inducing consequence of visiting the past involving Mohawkeye, Natasha and the Soul Stone. If you remember what happened with Gamora, you'll know what that means. Although the character who ends up being the sacrifice gets some good character/emotional beats in this film, it still doesn't make up for the fact they're unceremoniously given the 'permadeath' treatment, thus robbing us of one of the MCU's best characters and the awesome dynamics between them and other characters. Given all the others that could've been offed, WHY'd it have to be...well...you'll see. I'll give the film credit for seamlessly blending the 'present' characters with the past, and once things reach the climax, they definitely ensure this is the most 'epic' battle we've seen yet which involves pretty much every character (except those who're unfortunate enough to stay dead, of course), some of which will be getting future films or TV shows to appear in. I guess that's meant to 'make up for' them not getting much screentime here (like my fave, Wanda. At least she gets some revenge on Thanos and shares an emotional moment with Mohawkeye near the end. I'm looking forward to her show and hopefully future movie appearances too). Captain America gets at least two cheer-worthy moments, while Captain Marvel and her new haircut get to kick some major arse (don't fret, haters...she isn't given the final victory over Thanos. No, we all know who gets THAT privilege). I guess I was supposed to feel sad near the end, but honestly I just felt relief, as it's about time a certain someone faced some actual real consequences. Hopefully other characters will get to thrive/have substantial screentime now that somebody isn't hogging it all. Another good thing about the end is the camera shot which slowly moves through/covers everyone (all these characters we've come to know, plus a few we haven't yet) at the funeral. The BEST part, however, is the final scene. I've waited ever since the first Cap movie (my other fave MCU film) to get to the scene that ends this movie, and I think it's worth it. I'm so very happy with it and who it involves. While there're no mid-credits/post-credits scenes, it's worth sticking around to see the original six Avengers actors literally signing off. It'll probably take a couple of viewings to fully digest this film, as it throws in everything AND the kitchen sink. It's a fitting conclusion to Phase 3 (ignoring Spider-Kid 2). Now, bring on Phase 4! Very nice, well done!
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 9, 2021 0:18:34 GMT 1
For a movie as "big" and "epic" as Endgame is, it comes off as very intimate and human most of the time. There's simply no way you could have gone through the prior ten years of enjoying MCU films and then watched Endgame and felt nothing - unless, of course, you were already predisposed to dislike Marvel films or you were completely indifferent.
It's a fun, imaginative film, without being the dumb kind of fun like "Venom" is constantly touted as. If you like your films overly stoic and serious, you need not apply here. If you've been enjoying the MCU ride since the start - Endgame was a satisfying conclusion. And truthfully, the only way to genuinely be offended or dislike the film is to will yourself to do so.
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Post by Jayman on Apr 9, 2021 1:13:09 GMT 1
For a movie as "big" and "epic" as Endgame is, it comes off as very intimate and human most of the time. There's simply no way you could have gone through the prior ten years of enjoying MCU films and then watched Endgame and felt nothing - unless, of course, you were already predisposed to dislike Marvel films or you were completely indifferent. It's a fun, imaginative film, without being the dumb kind of fun like "Venom" constantly taught as. If you like your films over stoic and serious, you need not apply here. If you've been enjoying the MCU ride since the start - Endgame was a satisfying conclusion. And truthfully, the only way to genuinely be offended or dislike the film is to will yourself to do so. I lost most of my street cred here after I said I didn't love it as much as the other ones. But I do plan on rewatching all the movies at some point! Sometimes you get a different perspective watching something a second time. Even though it's rare I watch a movie more than once. Unless it's a Star Trek or Star Wars movie.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 9, 2021 1:37:12 GMT 1
For a movie as "big" and "epic" as Endgame is, it comes off as very intimate and human most of the time. There's simply no way you could have gone through the prior ten years of enjoying MCU films and then watched Endgame and felt nothing - unless, of course, you were already predisposed to dislike Marvel films or you were completely indifferent. It's a fun, imaginative film, without being the dumb kind of fun like "Venom" constantly taught as. If you like your films over stoic and serious, you need not apply here. If you've been enjoying the MCU ride since the start - Endgame was a satisfying conclusion. And truthfully, the only way to genuinely be offended or dislike the film is to will yourself to do so. I lost most of my street cred here after I said I didn't love it as much as the other ones. But I do plan on rewatching all the movies at some point! Sometimes you get a different perspective watching something a second time. Even though it's rare I watch a movie more than once. Unless it's a Star Trek or Star Wars movie. Totally cool if you didn't like it, but to say it was flat-out terrible is an overreach, in my opinion. Not that you actually said that, but in general. Having the communal experience of seeing it with other MCU fans who'd followed the series as long as I had was especially rewarding. There were numerous moments for each of us, and we all celebrated each other's favorites. I liked Infinity War better, but Endgame, outside of a few awkward bits, was nothing short of being an all-around satisfying experience.
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Post by Jayman on Apr 9, 2021 1:41:17 GMT 1
I lost most of my street cred here after I said I didn't love it as much as the other ones. But I do plan on rewatching all the movies at some point! Sometimes you get a different perspective watching something a second time. Even though it's rare I watch a movie more than once. Unless it's a Star Trek or Star Wars movie. Totally cool if you didn't like it, but to say it was flat-out terrible is an overreach, in my opinion. Not that you actually said that, but in general. Having the communal experience of seeing it with other MCU fans who'd followed the series as long as I had was especially rewarding. There were numerous moments for each of us, and we all celebrated each other's favorites. I liked Infinity War better, but Endgame, outside of a few awkward bits, was nothing short of being an all-around satisfying experience. OH I did like it. I just didn't love it. But I agree that it is a stretch to say it was a terrible movie.
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Post by BATCOW™ on Apr 9, 2021 15:57:43 GMT 1
At one point I might've been hesitant to post my review of the film, for fear of ticking off some people. However, since I seem to tick off people without even trying and my reviews for things are mostly ignored anyway, IDFAG anymore. Avengers: Endgame (2019). {Spoiler}It’s still Iron Man’s world and the rest of the Avengers are still just living in it. Well...most of them. The film opens on Jeremy Renner's Hawkeye with his happy family...until he no longer has one on account of them being dusted, which causes him to become vengeful Mohawkeye. Next up it's my least favourite Avenger, Tony Snark, teaching games to Nebula (my favourite Guardian of the Galaxy and the only one of those a-holes I actually LIKE. Mantis, who I also like and who isn't an a-hole, sadly only gets one line in the movie, but at least it's a funny one). The term drawn-out could be used to describe this whole opening with Tony. 'Self-indulgent' would be another. Just because you have a 3-hour+ runtime, Russos, doesn't mean you should waste it lingering on Tony sleeping, etc. I did appreciate, though, that Nebula shows she's grown (as evidenced by the fact she's refrained from beating the snot out of Tony the entire time they've been stuck in space together). I was happy to see her featured so much. Thankfully things finally get moving once Captain Marvel saves their butts and interacts with the team in a scene most have probably watched already. As she points out to rude Rhodey (whose main role seems to be Joke/Movie Reference Man), she's been on other planets after 'The Snap' that didn't have The Avengers to help them out. The fact that THOR says he likes her should be enough (though obviously won't be for certain people). He also learns from the mistake he made at the end of Infinity War regarding what bodypart to aim for on Thanos (who apparently wiped out half the universe's populace so he could become a farmer and unfortunately destroyed the Infinity Stones). Too bad Nebula's robbed of the chance to end Thanos in this movie (twice!), as she probably deserved to the most. Tony the Drama Queen proves he hasn't grown at all, laying the blame for everything at Cap's feet. A skip to five years later reveals time hasn't been kind to Thor. I'm saddened to see him reduced to this joke, when the first Thor movie is one of my favourites. They've veered too far into 'comedy' for my taste, as here he's played mostly for laughs on account of letting himself go (for those wanting shirtless Thor, you'll get him...though you'll wish you hadn't). Bless Paul Rudd's Scott Lang, as he brings a breath of fresh air to proceedings. His reunion with his (now grown) daughter is one of the few genuinely effective emotional moments in the film. Unfortunately, he's not given the respect he deserves, considering he's the one to come up with the idea of time travel (the subject of which is given the ultimate nerd discussion in this film). They go to Tony, who selfishly refuses to help the others get back everyone they lost since he already HAS everyone HE wants (well...except for Spider-Kid, who is the reason he eventually changes his mind). Cut to after a 'comedic' sequence involving working out the kinks of time-travelling, the gang splits up to retrieve all the stones from the past. This is where the film kicks into gear, as we revisit past MCU films and encounter previous versions of characters. Highlights include: Cap seeing Peggy Carter again, Cap vs Past Cap, Thor spending some precious time with his soon-to-be-deceased mother (plus, a Jane cameo! There's actually lots of cameos in the film, but only a few I cared about) and twice the amount of Nebula. There's one rage-inducing consequence of visiting the past involving Mohawkeye, Natasha and the Soul Stone. If you remember what happened with Gamora, you'll know what that means. Although the character who ends up being the sacrifice gets some good character/emotional beats in this film, it still doesn't make up for the fact they're unceremoniously given the 'permadeath' treatment, thus robbing us of one of the MCU's best characters and the awesome dynamics between them and other characters. Given all the others that could've been offed, WHY'd it have to be...well...you'll see. I'll give the film credit for seamlessly blending the 'present' characters with the past, and once things reach the climax, they definitely ensure this is the most 'epic' battle we've seen yet which involves pretty much every character (except those who're unfortunate enough to stay dead, of course), some of which will be getting future films or TV shows to appear in. I guess that's meant to 'make up for' them not getting much screentime here (like my fave, Wanda. At least she gets some revenge on Thanos and shares an emotional moment with Mohawkeye near the end. I'm looking forward to her show and hopefully future movie appearances too). Captain America gets at least two cheer-worthy moments, while Captain Marvel and her new haircut get to kick some major arse (don't fret, haters...she isn't given the final victory over Thanos. No, we all know who gets THAT privilege). I guess I was supposed to feel sad near the end, but honestly I just felt relief, as it's about time a certain someone faced some actual real consequences. Hopefully other characters will get to thrive/have substantial screentime now that somebody isn't hogging it all. Another good thing about the end is the camera shot which slowly moves through/covers everyone (all these characters we've come to know, plus a few we haven't yet) at the funeral. The BEST part, however, is the final scene. I've waited ever since the first Cap movie (my other fave MCU film) to get to the scene that ends this movie, and I think it's worth it. I'm so very happy with it and who it involves. While there're no mid-credits/post-credits scenes, it's worth sticking around to see the original six Avengers actors literally signing off. It'll probably take a couple of viewings to fully digest this film, as it throws in everything AND the kitchen sink. It's a fitting conclusion to Phase 3 (ignoring Spider-Kid 2). Now, bring on Phase 4! I'm unsure why you would be hesitant to share this review. It's great. I don't agree with every little thing, cuz I guess the comedic bits were geared towards my kind who were new to the scene. Spoilers..... For example, I think Thor's slip into mundane battles with online trolls was a reflection of many who turn inward when in pain. Plus, being a God, he felt responsible for others' pounding grief, which must be a tough spot. I thought his evolution was great, esp when he was beaming with pride or happiness when in a pinch, Cap was able to wield Miu Miu. From what I could tell, Tony has always been a self absorbed unapologetic ball of ego. Trouble has always been that he could usually back up that inflated ego with results. I loved his rivalry with Dr Strange in Infinity. His guilt over Peter Parker was so raw, I thought. And their reunion on the battlefield literally teared me up. And that cute PP running around introducing himself, cracked me up. I liked the lighter parts. Maybe that's what separates the committed fans from us interlopers, who don't know any different. .
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 9, 2021 18:09:21 GMT 1
At one point I might've been hesitant to post my review of the film, for fear of ticking off some people. However, since I seem to tick off people without even trying and my reviews for things are mostly ignored anyway, IDFAG anymore. Avengers: Endgame (2019). {Spoiler}It’s still Iron Man’s world and the rest of the Avengers are still just living in it. Well...most of them. The film opens on Jeremy Renner's Hawkeye with his happy family...until he no longer has one on account of them being dusted, which causes him to become vengeful Mohawkeye. Next up it's my least favourite Avenger, Tony Snark, teaching games to Nebula (my favourite Guardian of the Galaxy and the only one of those a-holes I actually LIKE. Mantis, who I also like and who isn't an a-hole, sadly only gets one line in the movie, but at least it's a funny one). The term drawn-out could be used to describe this whole opening with Tony. 'Self-indulgent' would be another. Just because you have a 3-hour+ runtime, Russos, doesn't mean you should waste it lingering on Tony sleeping, etc. I did appreciate, though, that Nebula shows she's grown (as evidenced by the fact she's refrained from beating the snot out of Tony the entire time they've been stuck in space together). I was happy to see her featured so much. Thankfully things finally get moving once Captain Marvel saves their butts and interacts with the team in a scene most have probably watched already. As she points out to rude Rhodey (whose main role seems to be Joke/Movie Reference Man), she's been on other planets after 'The Snap' that didn't have The Avengers to help them out. The fact that THOR says he likes her should be enough (though obviously won't be for certain people). He also learns from the mistake he made at the end of Infinity War regarding what bodypart to aim for on Thanos (who apparently wiped out half the universe's populace so he could become a farmer and unfortunately destroyed the Infinity Stones). Too bad Nebula's robbed of the chance to end Thanos in this movie (twice!), as she probably deserved to the most. Tony the Drama Queen proves he hasn't grown at all, laying the blame for everything at Cap's feet. A skip to five years later reveals time hasn't been kind to Thor. I'm saddened to see him reduced to this joke, when the first Thor movie is one of my favourites. They've veered too far into 'comedy' for my taste, as here he's played mostly for laughs on account of letting himself go (for those wanting shirtless Thor, you'll get him...though you'll wish you hadn't). Bless Paul Rudd's Scott Lang, as he brings a breath of fresh air to proceedings. His reunion with his (now grown) daughter is one of the few genuinely effective emotional moments in the film. Unfortunately, he's not given the respect he deserves, considering he's the one to come up with the idea of time travel (the subject of which is given the ultimate nerd discussion in this film). They go to Tony, who selfishly refuses to help the others get back everyone they lost since he already HAS everyone HE wants (well...except for Spider-Kid, who is the reason he eventually changes his mind). Cut to after a 'comedic' sequence involving working out the kinks of time-travelling, the gang splits up to retrieve all the stones from the past. This is where the film kicks into gear, as we revisit past MCU films and encounter previous versions of characters. Highlights include: Cap seeing Peggy Carter again, Cap vs Past Cap, Thor spending some precious time with his soon-to-be-deceased mother (plus, a Jane cameo! There's actually lots of cameos in the film, but only a few I cared about) and twice the amount of Nebula. There's one rage-inducing consequence of visiting the past involving Mohawkeye, Natasha and the Soul Stone. If you remember what happened with Gamora, you'll know what that means. Although the character who ends up being the sacrifice gets some good character/emotional beats in this film, it still doesn't make up for the fact they're unceremoniously given the 'permadeath' treatment, thus robbing us of one of the MCU's best characters and the awesome dynamics between them and other characters. Given all the others that could've been offed, WHY'd it have to be...well...you'll see. I'll give the film credit for seamlessly blending the 'present' characters with the past, and once things reach the climax, they definitely ensure this is the most 'epic' battle we've seen yet which involves pretty much every character (except those who're unfortunate enough to stay dead, of course), some of which will be getting future films or TV shows to appear in. I guess that's meant to 'make up for' them not getting much screentime here (like my fave, Wanda. At least she gets some revenge on Thanos and shares an emotional moment with Mohawkeye near the end. I'm looking forward to her show and hopefully future movie appearances too). Captain America gets at least two cheer-worthy moments, while Captain Marvel and her new haircut get to kick some major arse (don't fret, haters...she isn't given the final victory over Thanos. No, we all know who gets THAT privilege). I guess I was supposed to feel sad near the end, but honestly I just felt relief, as it's about time a certain someone faced some actual real consequences. Hopefully other characters will get to thrive/have substantial screentime now that somebody isn't hogging it all. Another good thing about the end is the camera shot which slowly moves through/covers everyone (all these characters we've come to know, plus a few we haven't yet) at the funeral. The BEST part, however, is the final scene. I've waited ever since the first Cap movie (my other fave MCU film) to get to the scene that ends this movie, and I think it's worth it. I'm so very happy with it and who it involves. While there're no mid-credits/post-credits scenes, it's worth sticking around to see the original six Avengers actors literally signing off. It'll probably take a couple of viewings to fully digest this film, as it throws in everything AND the kitchen sink. It's a fitting conclusion to Phase 3 (ignoring Spider-Kid 2). Now, bring on Phase 4! I'm unsure why you would be hesitant to share this review. It's great. I don't agree with every little thing, cuz I guess the comedic bits were geared towards my kind who were new to the scene. Spoilers..... For example, I think Thor's slip into mundane battles with online trolls was a reflection of many who turn inward when in pain. Plus, being a God, he felt responsible for others' pounding grief, which must be a tough spot. I thought his evolution was great, esp when he was beaming with pride or happiness when in a pinch, Cap was able to wield Miu Miu. From what I could tell, Tony has always been a self absorbed unapologetic ball of ego. Trouble has always been that he could usually back up that inflated ego with results. I loved his rivalry with Dr Strange in Infinity. His guilt over Peter Parker was so raw, I thought. And their reunion on the battlefield literally teared me up. And that cute PP running around introducing himself, cracked me up. I liked the lighter parts. Maybe that's what separates the committed fans from us interlopers, who don't know any different. . You've unwittingly stumbled upon the main source of conflict among comic book fans' two principal factions. If you read comic books openly as a child or adolescent, no doubt at some point, you were likely ridiculed for it, and your hobby was deemed childish. In my case, I was accused of not being a "serious" person. I was constantly told that my 'head was in the clouds.' As a younger person, the insult was devastating; thus, I became an overly serious person later in life to compensate. Some of the adult comic book fans of today have not reconciled their childhood trauma. To compensate for feelings of inadequacy, they insist that all content inspired by comic book literature be grim, joyless, and graphically violent at all times to prove how "grown-up" it is. These traits are equivalent in their minds to sophisticated and challenging entertainment. I suspect that there is a portion of comic book fans who may have even been bullied for pursuing their avocation in place of sports or hunting or some other more socially acceptable pastime. These fans, in particular, revel in cathartic hyper-violence in comic book media. It allows them to live vicariously through heroes as they cleave wrongdoers (or anyone really) in two with ruby-red heat vision. I'm no one's judge, but this attitude fails to consider future generations of fans. If all comic book-based media is forced to "grow up," we selfishly put it beyond the reach of fledging minds who would benefit greatly from the pure and undiluted imagination of the medium - all in the name of legitimacy. There are no interlopers. We, the fandom, stand vindicated. And now, the entire world knows what we've known all along. Comic books are a legitimate form of literature that can adapt to any media and communicate complex ideas while educating and entertaining. The second faction in this conflict has transformed itself into enthusiastic ambassadors of the art form. We're enjoying a renaissance, or day I say, a new age of enlightenment. For the time being, we control the cultural conversation, and everyone, from activists to politicians, wants in. While we do spend an excessive amount of time nitpicking, there is little need to be hostile or vitriolic. I never really understood all of this needless toxicity and rebellion. We've already won.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 10, 2021 15:00:58 GMT 1
I don't care for generalisations and sticking people into 'groups', like there's only a Group A or Group B or whatever. Sometimes people just like things in movies that they like and dislike things in movies that they dislike. There doesn't have to be some deep hidden meaning behind the way they feel, they don't have to have 'motivations' or 'agendas' for liking/disliking something, and not everyone has some childhood trauma that is the reason for the way they feel.
I like aspects of the MCU and dislike others aspects. There are characters I love, characters I hate and characters I feel neutral about. Some of my favourite MCU films are the ones others either don't think are that great or downright hate, just like there are some MCU films that everyone seems to love which I greatly dislike and will never watch again.
People can like both MCU films AND DC films (crazy as that may sound). People don't 'have' to like just all 'dark'/depressing/violent films or all light/'fun'/comedic films. It IS possible to like a mix of both, which is the case with me.
I'm actually interested in some of the MCU films yet to be released because they're not going to have a certain character taking up so much of the focus/screentime and making everything about them (assuming they're not brought back, of course).
I wouldn't consider myself a 'hardcore' MCU fan, but I have watched almost every single one of them (the only one I haven't yet seen is the second MCU Spider-Man film - though I likely will whenever it's on TV here and I can record it to watch).
If you disagree with what I wrote in my review, fine. I'm not forcing anyone to think like me or even agree with me. Hell, I don't even write any of my reviews for movies/TV shows for anyone but myself. I like to get my thoughts written down (or, more accurately, typed out). If others like my reviews, then that's nice, but I don't write for them. I write for me and me alone. This is why I don't post movie reviews on forums very often, because I know there'll inevitably be those who disagree with my thoughts (in some cases, very strongly). IMDB is where I post the majority of my movie reviews, because on there all anyone can do is either upvote or downvote movie reviews, and I don't have to listen to their criticisms of my reviews or their insults.
For those who read my review for Avengers: Endgame and liked/agreed with it at all, then thanks. If you didn't...well...whatever. I won't be posting anymore movie reviews on here.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Apr 10, 2021 22:46:07 GMT 1
I don't care for generalisations and sticking people into 'groups', like there's only a Group A or Group B or whatever. Sometimes people just like things in movies that they like and dislike things in movies that they dislike. There doesn't have to be some deep hidden meaning behind the way they feel, they don't have to have 'motivations' or 'agendas' for liking/disliking something, and not everyone has some childhood trauma that is the reason for the way they feel. I like aspects of the MCU and dislike others aspects. There are characters I love, characters I hate and characters I feel neutral about. Some of my favourite MCU films are the ones others either don't think are that great or downright hate, just like there are some MCU films that everyone seems to love which I greatly dislike and will never watch again. People can like both MCU films AND DC films (crazy as that may sound). People don't 'have' to like just all 'dark'/depressing/violent films or all light/'fun'/comedic films. It IS possible to like a mix of both, which is the case with me. I'm actually interested in some of the MCU films yet to be released because they're not going to have a certain character taking up so much of the focus/screentime and making everything about them (assuming they're not brought back, of course). I wouldn't consider myself a 'hardcore' MCU fan, but I have watched almost every single one of them (the only one I haven't yet seen is the second MCU Spider-Man film - though I likely will whenever it's on TV here and I can record it to watch). If you disagree with what I wrote in my review, fine. I'm not forcing anyone to think like me or even agree with me. Hell, I don't even write any of my reviews for movies/TV shows for anyone but myself. I like to get my thoughts written down (or, more accurately, typed out). If others like my reviews, then that's nice, but I don't write for them. I write for me and me alone. This is why I don't post movie reviews on forums very often, because I know there'll inevitably be those who disagree with my thoughts (in some cases, very strongly). IMDB is where I post the majority of my movie reviews, because on there all anyone can do is either upvote or downvote movie reviews, and I don't have to listen to their criticisms of my reviews or their insults. For those who read my review for Avengers: Endgame and liked/agreed with it at all, then thanks. If you didn't...well...whatever. I won't be posting anymore movie reviews on here. There was nothing wrong with your review. Unfortunately there's a lot of gatekeeping in fandoms and MCU is no different. Trust me I've been dealing with this for years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 1:46:43 GMT 1
Stumbled on this thread after I just rewatched Infinity War and Endgame yesterday for the 100th time lol. Endgame was good but for me Infinity War never gets old.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 12, 2021 4:55:36 GMT 1
I don't care for generalisations and sticking people into 'groups', like there's only a Group A or Group B or whatever. Sometimes people just like things in movies that they like and dislike things in movies that they dislike. There doesn't have to be some deep hidden meaning behind the way they feel, they don't have to have 'motivations' or 'agendas' for liking/disliking something, and not everyone has some childhood trauma that is the reason for the way they feel. I like aspects of the MCU and dislike others aspects. There are characters I love, characters I hate and characters I feel neutral about. Some of my favourite MCU films are the ones others either don't think are that great or downright hate, just like there are some MCU films that everyone seems to love which I greatly dislike and will never watch again. People can like both MCU films AND DC films (crazy as that may sound). People don't 'have' to like just all 'dark'/depressing/violent films or all light/'fun'/comedic films. It IS possible to like a mix of both, which is the case with me. I'm actually interested in some of the MCU films yet to be released because they're not going to have a certain character taking up so much of the focus/screentime and making everything about them (assuming they're not brought back, of course). I wouldn't consider myself a 'hardcore' MCU fan, but I have watched almost every single one of them (the only one I haven't yet seen is the second MCU Spider-Man film - though I likely will whenever it's on TV here and I can record it to watch). If you disagree with what I wrote in my review, fine. I'm not forcing anyone to think like me or even agree with me. Hell, I don't even write any of my reviews for movies/TV shows for anyone but myself. I like to get my thoughts written down (or, more accurately, typed out). If others like my reviews, then that's nice, but I don't write for them. I write for me and me alone. This is why I don't post movie reviews on forums very often, because I know there'll inevitably be those who disagree with my thoughts (in some cases, very strongly). IMDB is where I post the majority of my movie reviews, because on there all anyone can do is either upvote or downvote movie reviews, and I don't have to listen to their criticisms of my reviews or their insults. For those who read my review for Avengers: Endgame and liked/agreed with it at all, then thanks. If you didn't...well...whatever. I won't be posting anymore movie reviews on here. Based on your description of your level of interest in the MCU, I would describe you as a casual fan. I hope you don't take offense to that term because it's not meant to be disparaging. In many ways, casual fans are the lifeblood of any fandom. They bring new energy to the discussion, and they help remind longtime fans why they got into something in the first place. The flip side is that casual fans are often transient fans - they follow something while it is popular and then move on to other things once the trend has changed. Because of their numbers, casual fans can effect permanent change on a whim, leaving more committed fans to live with those changes long after casual fans have moved on to whatever the next big thing is. Of course, some of those changes can be positive, but some can lead to the fandom's ultimate decline. The term gatekeeper gets thrown around a lot without consideration for why people do it. To be a gatekeeper is to automatically be labeled an elitist and non-inclusive in your thinking. It suggests someone who is not open to change or is bigoted, but gatekeepers are more commonly just people who deeply love what they're into and don't want to see it turned into something unrecognizable to them. I, personally, don't think that's a hanging offense. I'm a gatekeeper. I don't want toxicity in my fandom(s), so I actively dissuade people who attack other fans from taking up residence in my fandom. If you are abusive, sadistic, or otherwise maladjusted, I really don't want to have to interface with you. And if you're prone to spreading unending negativity about something I enjoy, I'll be the first to gently point you in the direction of something else you might enjoy more. I also have a pet peeve about aggressively, overstated negativity - the kind of thing where people act like something gave them cancer because they didn't like it. In short, I am not a paragon of politically-correct virtue. I do what I can. I had no problem with your review, but I am curious to understand why you might take issue with people who do.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 12, 2021 10:44:56 GMT 1
Based on your description of your level of interest in the MCU, I would describe you as a casual fan. I hope you don't take offense to that term because it's not meant to be disparaging. In many ways, casual fans are the lifeblood of any fandom. They bring new energy to the discussion, and they help remind longtime fans why they got into something in the first place. The flip side is that casual fans are often transient fans - they follow something while it is popular and then move on to other things once the trend has changed. Because of their numbers, casual fans can effect permanent change on a whim, leaving more committed fans to live with those changes long after casual fans have moved on to whatever the next big thing is. Of course, some of those changes can be positive, but some can lead to the fandom's ultimate decline. The term gatekeeper gets thrown around a lot without consideration for why people do it. To be a gatekeeper is to automatically be labeled an elitist and non-inclusive in your thinking. It suggests someone who is not open to change or is bigoted, but gatekeepers are more commonly just people who deeply love what they're into and don't want to see it turned into something unrecognizable to them. I, personally, don't think that's a hanging offense. I'm a gatekeeper. I don't want toxicity in my fandom(s), so I actively dissuade people who attack other fans from taking up residence in my fandom. If you are abusive, sadistic, or otherwise maladjusted, I really don't want to have to interface with you. And if you're prone to spreading unending negativity about something I enjoy, I'll be the first to gently point you in the direction of something else you might enjoy more. I also have a pet peeve about aggressively, overstated negativity - the kind of thing where people act like something gave them cancer because they didn't like it. In short, I am not a paragon of politically-correct virtue. I do what I can. I had no problem with your review, but I am curious to understand why you might take issue with people who do. All I was trying to say was why do fans of the MCU (or fans of anything in general) have to be put into specific 'groups'? Maybe there are other 'casual fans' who actually know quite a bit about the MCU films/universe, but that doesn't mean they live and breathe everything MCU-related. I'm certainly not 'following something while it's popular'. I wasn't interested in the MCU until I watched Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger. I enjoyed both those films very much and that's what got me watching the other ones. If I only did what was 'popular', then I'd love and adore Tony Stark, worshipping him in all he's egotistical glory, I'd LOVE the GotG films and those movies' characters, and I'd think that the third Thor film was the BEST of the three that have been released, plus I'd probably think the MCU Spider-Man films are the best versions - but I don't think any of that. While it'd certainly be easier to go with the flow and like all the same movies the supposed 'majority' seem to like while disliking/hating all the ones that same 'majority' dislike, that's just not how I roll. I like what I like and dislike what I dislike. There's no 'hidden reasons' for my taste in things, it's just my personal taste and that's it. Some of my favourite MCU films are ones that quite a lot of people, it seems, regard as only 'good' at best and 'bad' at worst. I'm sorry, but I just can't subscribe to the belief that fans 'own' the thing they're a fan of. If you're a fan of something, that's fine, but if that same thing you were a fan of changes in some ways that you dislike, you're also free to be unhappy with those changes, but thinking that you 'own' a movie franchise or anything just sounds wrong to me. I've seen many movies and shows go in terrible directions because the makers of them have listened to 'fans' who wanted things their way, and when a story is no longer the storyteller's idea and is being governed by 'fans' who just want things how they want them to be, then it becomes something else and something I have no interest in. People who focus all their time and energy on something they don't like/something they hate irritate me too. I'll never understand what the point is in continuing to complain about something you dislike, rather than moving onto something you do like. To me, the only reasons for a person to keep on complaining about something they don't like is to A) irritate those who do like whatever the thing is, and B) hoping to change the minds of those you disagree with. I think some people just enjoy conflict, and without it...they've got nothing to keep them interested. There are those who enjoy fighting, and once they feel they've significantly ruined something for people, they'll move onto the next thing. Some people just get enjoyment out of tearing down things others like. I always wonder, "Doesn't it get tiresome finding new/different ways to say that you hate something over and over and over again?". I've seen countless threads on forums started that are basically just the same posters saying again and again how they hate something, they just change a few things to give the outward appearance that it's some 'new' topic, when really it's just them stating their same beliefs repetitively. I'm not like that. If I dislike something, I'll say why I don't and then move on. You won't catch me regularly posting/commenting on things I'm not a fan of. If someone asks me about them, I might share my opinion, but I have no expectations that I'm ever going to change anyone's opinions about anything. Why do some people feel the need to? If you like something, isn't it enough that you like it? Why do you need others to like it with you? As for my review, it doesn't really bother me whether people like it/agree with it or dislike it/disagree with it. I only take issue when someone insults me for my opinions and acts like their opinions are facts, when in actuality they're just their opinions. I think for every show, movie, song, band, book, etc out there that people like (sometimes a lot of people), there's at least one person in the world who dislikes it. And vice versa. I also believe that if a person likes a movie, that doesn't necessarily mean they 'must' like another movie that is very similar to the one that they like. Sometimes the slightest differences can be what separates a movie you like from a movie you dislike. When someone says to another, "Oh, you like that movie? Well, then, you must've liked this other movie too." (because it's similar), I don't think that's the case. I think people can be full of contradictions in what they like and dislike. You can like something and dislike something that's almost the same but slightly different, just as you can dislike something and then like something that's almost the same but slightly different. Anyway, I've rambled on enough. I didn't mean anything personal towards anyone here, I was just addressing some issues in a 'general' sort of way. I'll see myself out.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 12, 2021 16:31:01 GMT 1
Based on your description of your level of interest in the MCU, I would describe you as a casual fan. I hope you don't take offense to that term because it's not meant to be disparaging. In many ways, casual fans are the lifeblood of any fandom. They bring new energy to the discussion, and they help remind longtime fans why they got into something in the first place. The flip side is that casual fans are often transient fans - they follow something while it is popular and then move on to other things once the trend has changed. Because of their numbers, casual fans can effect permanent change on a whim, leaving more committed fans to live with those changes long after casual fans have moved on to whatever the next big thing is. Of course, some of those changes can be positive, but some can lead to the fandom's ultimate decline. The term gatekeeper gets thrown around a lot without consideration for why people do it. To be a gatekeeper is to automatically be labeled an elitist and non-inclusive in your thinking. It suggests someone who is not open to change or is bigoted, but gatekeepers are more commonly just people who deeply love what they're into and don't want to see it turned into something unrecognizable to them. I, personally, don't think that's a hanging offense. I'm a gatekeeper. I don't want toxicity in my fandom(s), so I actively dissuade people who attack other fans from taking up residence in my fandom. If you are abusive, sadistic, or otherwise maladjusted, I really don't want to have to interface with you. And if you're prone to spreading unending negativity about something I enjoy, I'll be the first to gently point you in the direction of something else you might enjoy more. I also have a pet peeve about aggressively, overstated negativity - the kind of thing where people act like something gave them cancer because they didn't like it. In short, I am not a paragon of politically-correct virtue. I do what I can. I had no problem with your review, but I am curious to understand why you might take issue with people who do. All I was trying to say was why do fans of the MCU (or fans of anything in general) have to be put into specific 'groups'? Maybe there are other 'casual fans' who actually know quite a bit about the MCU films/universe, but that doesn't mean they live and breathe everything MCU-related. I'm certainly not 'following something while it's popular'. I wasn't interested in the MCU until I watched Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger. I enjoyed both those films very much and that's what got me watching the other ones. If I only did what was 'popular', then I'd love and adore Tony Stark, worshipping him in all he's egotistical glory, I'd LOVE the GotG films and those movies' characters, and I'd think that the third Thor film was the BEST of the three that have been released, plus I'd probably think the MCU Spider-Man films are the best versions - but I don't think any of that. While it'd certainly be easier to go with the flow and like all the same movies the supposed 'majority' seem to like while disliking/hating all the ones that same 'majority' dislike, that's just not how I roll. I like what I like and dislike what I dislike. There's no 'hidden reasons' for my taste in things, it's just my personal taste and that's it. Some of my favourite MCU films are ones that quite a lot of people, it seems, regard as only 'good' at best and 'bad' at worst. I'm sorry, but I just can't subscribe to the belief that fans 'own' the thing they're a fan of. If you're a fan of something, that's fine, but if that same thing you were a fan of changes in some ways that you dislike, you're also free to be unhappy with those changes, but thinking that you 'own' a movie franchise or anything just sounds wrong to me. I've seen many movies and shows go in terrible directions because the makers of them have listened to 'fans' who wanted things their way, and when a story is no longer the storyteller's idea and is being governed by 'fans' who just want things how they want them to be, then it becomes something else and something I have no interest in. People who focus all their time and energy on something they don't like/something they hate irritate me too. I'll never understand what the point is in continuing to complain about something you dislike, rather than moving onto something you do like. To me, the only reasons for a person to keep on complaining about something they don't like is to A) irritate those who do like whatever the thing is, and B) hoping to change the minds of those you disagree with. I think some people just enjoy conflict, and without it...they've got nothing to keep them interested. There are those who enjoy fighting, and once they feel they've significantly ruined something for people, they'll move onto the next thing. Some people just get enjoyment out of tearing down things others like. I always wonder, "Doesn't it get tiresome finding new/different ways to say that you hate something over and over and over again?". I've seen countless threads on forums started that are basically just the same posters saying again and again how they hate something, they just change a few things to give the outward appearance that it's some 'new' topic, when really it's just them stating their same beliefs repetitively. I'm not like that. If I dislike something, I'll say why I don't and then move on. You won't catch me regularly posting/commenting on things I'm not a fan of. If someone asks me about them, I might share my opinion, but I have no expectations that I'm ever going to change anyone's opinions about anything. Why do some people feel the need to? If you like something, isn't it enough that you like it? Why do you need others to like it with you? As for my review, it doesn't really bother me whether people like it/agree with it or dislike it/disagree with it. I only take issue when someone insults me for my opinions and acts like their opinions are facts, when in actuality they're just their opinions. I think for every show, movie, song, band, book, etc out there that people like (sometimes a lot of people), there's at least one person in the world who dislikes it. And vice versa. I also believe that if a person likes a movie, that doesn't necessarily mean they 'must' like another movie that is very similar to the one that they like. Sometimes the slightest differences can be what separates a movie you like from a movie you dislike. When someone says to another, "Oh, you like that movie? Well, then, you must've liked this other movie too." (because it's similar), I don't think that's the case. I think people can be full of contradictions in what they like and dislike. You can like something and dislike something that's almost the same but slightly different, just as you can dislike something and then like something that's almost the same but slightly different. Anyway, I've rambled on enough. I didn't mean anything personal towards anyone here, I was just addressing some issues in a 'general' sort of way. I'll see myself out.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Apr 12, 2021 23:12:52 GMT 1
I just wanted to clarify one thing you said...
I don't believe in passively consuming anything. Fans should have some stake in the things they enjoy, and I'm not sorry for believing that in the slightest.
I agree, people shouldn't just accept whatever they're given. It's fine to not-like something or think the filmmakers can do better. However, when 'fans' start trying to control the narrative of a movie (or franchise) and have happen only what they want to happen...then it's no longer the moviemaker's film. 'Fans' can criticise, that's okay, but expecting moviemakers to bend to their will and do everything they say is too much. Somewhere along the line there's likely to be a development in a franchise that some people disagree with. It's inevitable for something that just keeps going with no end in sight.
I agree with the other responses you made to what I said.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 13, 2021 2:58:33 GMT 1
I just wanted to clarify one thing you said... I don't believe in passively consuming anything. Fans should have some stake in the things they enjoy, and I'm not sorry for believing that in the slightest.
I agree, people shouldn't just accept whatever they're given. It's fine to not-like something or think the filmmakers can do better. However, when 'fans' start trying to control the narrative of a movie (or franchise) and have happen only what they want to happen...then it's no longer the moviemaker's film. 'Fans' can criticise, that's okay, but expecting moviemakers to bend to their will and do everything they say is too much. Somewhere along the line there's likely to be a development in a franchise that some people disagree with. It's inevitable for something that just keeps going with no end in sight. I agree with the other responses you made to what I said. I think there is more common ground in our respective philosophies than we both imagine. I don't think fans should insinuate themselves into the creative process. Creators should be free to conceive unmolested by fandom thugs. When that work seems ill-considered, haphazard, or otherwise problematic, I think that fans minimally have a right to voice their opinion. In more extreme cases, they can also withdraw their participation and financial support. I think you can disagree with a creative choice without condemning the people who made it. I tend to rail against unprovoked sweeping changes in an IP that fundamentally alter known fictional history. If you had to go that far, you should have likely created a new IP.
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Post by Grandmaster on Apr 16, 2021 21:09:59 GMT 1
This is still my favorite non Marvel Studios Youtube video.
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