|
Post by AQUA CAT! on Apr 11, 2024 19:31:20 GMT 1
Wicked. I'm especially glad you put it that way. You're familiar with the comics so you've kinda seen it all/know what's going to happen to a degree. The Mojo episode made me unsure if they were using the source material like for the old show or striking out on its own. Well, in that case, I hope you enjoy. There's animation and sound beats that cannot be explained short of just plain showing the clips. Anyone can describe a storm but to be standing in its eye is a different experience. I would say that about 40% of what you see in the animated series is "original" and conceived just for the show. The Mojoverse episode had a lot of invented material. Most of the story beats are taken from a period spanning at least 3 decades in X-Men comic book history. The cutoff might be around the 2010s (as the roster had changed dramatically by then). Neat. I'd forgotten till yesterday that in theory the year is still 1997 because it's where the series left off, hence "X-Men 97".
Also in theory it's supposed to be a year after the events of the finale, so it's a tight squeeze for a single year, but it must be a strange task to mix and match the cream of the crop from the comics and juggle a 1997-ish world.
Are you a Doctor Who fan by any chance? The Mojo episode reminded me of the first ever episode I watched: The Girl Who Waited. If you've never seen it, the character played by Karen Gillan encountered an aged version of herself left behind in a quarantine facility. I thought it was an interesting way of telling a story about who takes precedent in the eyes of their associates and who's the "real" them. Jubilee encountering a version of herself trapped in Mojo's game, aged, and sabotaging bits and pieces like a white virus brought me back to that Doctor Who episode. I like the idea, now having seen it in a few places (also the Japanese film Mirai) of characters interacting with an older version of themselves. I think it's a neat premise to play with.
|
|
|
Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 11, 2024 21:53:35 GMT 1
I would say that about 40% of what you see in the animated series is "original" and conceived just for the show. The Mojoverse episode had a lot of invented material. Most of the story beats are taken from a period spanning at least 3 decades in X-Men comic book history. The cutoff might be around the 2010s (as the roster had changed dramatically by then). Neat. I'd forgotten till yesterday that in theory the year is still 1997 because it's where the series left off, hence "X-Men 97".
Also in theory it's supposed to be a year after the events of the finale, so it's a tight squeeze for a single year, but it must be a strange task to mix and match the cream of the crop from the comics and juggle a 1997-ish world.
Are you a Doctor Who fan by any chance? The Mojo episode reminded me of the first ever episode I watched: The Girl Who Waited. If you've never seen it, the character played by Karen Gillan encountered an aged version of herself in a quarantine facility. I thought it was an interesting way of telling a story about who takes precedent in the eyes of their associates and who's the "real" them, or if it matters at all. Jubilee encountering a version of herself trapped in Mojo's game, aged, and sabotaging bits and pieces like a white virus brought me back to that Doctor Who episode. I like the idea, now having seen it in a few places (also the Japanese film Mirai) of characters interacting with an older version of themselves. I think it's neat.
I'm a casual Dr. Who fan and am familiar with the exceptional episode you're referring to. You're spot on about the parallels with Jubilee and Amy Pond. I believe that episode (of Dr. Who) won a Hugo Award. It is more than weird that it's 1997. Some of the characters and scenarios depicted are definitely anachronistic. Herman Glob wasn't around in 1997, and Scott's psychic affair happened with Emma, not Madalyne (in the early 2000s).
|
|
|
Post by Merv on Apr 12, 2024 1:21:23 GMT 1
This episode reminded me why I always liked Gambit. So much was great here. I thought it was gonna stick to relationship heavy since we got a lot of Mags/Rogue/Gambit and Scott/Jean/Maddy and Jean/Scott/Wolvy stuff. Then the ending happened.
|
|
|
Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 12, 2024 4:36:44 GMT 1
This episode reminded me why I always liked Gambit. So much was great here. I thought it was gonna stick to relationship heavy since we got a lot of Mags/Rogue/Gambit and Scott/Jean/Maddy and Jean/Scott/Wolvy stuff. Then the ending happened. I am not a Gambit fan but have learned to respect the character. For better or worse, he is part of the X-men's legacy. I feel like he came from an era of random names and gimmicks being fused to create new characters. He also seemed like an obvious ploy to sex up the book. In all fairness, male readers had an assortment of cheesecake in the book during that period. In any event, the overwhelming critical praise for the series from fans is both exhilarating and deflating. The thirst for fully-formed X-Men who arrive in costume immediately ready to fight crime is not something I'm interested in. It is good to see the X-Men back on top, though.
|
|
|
Post by Merv on Apr 12, 2024 11:14:05 GMT 1
This episode reminded me why I always liked Gambit. So much was great here. I thought it was gonna stick to relationship heavy since we got a lot of Mags/Rogue/Gambit and Scott/Jean/Maddy and Jean/Scott/Wolvy stuff. Then the ending happened. I am not a Gambit fan but have learned to respect the character. For better or worse, he is part of the X-men's legacy. I feel like he came from an era of random names and gimmicks being fused to create new characters. He also seemed like an obvious ploy to sex up the book. In all fairness, male readers had an assortment of cheesecake in the book during that period. In any event, the overwhelming critical praise for the series from fans is both exhilarating and deflating. The thirst for fully-formed X-Men who arrive in costume immediately ready to fight crime is not something I'm interested in. It is good to see the X-Men back on top, though. Kid me was drawn to the cool in the character. As I aged he fell down some pegs. I never went hard against him like many of my peers did but I started favoring the more well developed XMen like Cyclops and Beast…or some that caught me off guard like Banshee and Black Tom. But I think this episode just took me back to kid me for a minute. I really enjoy how each episode, while not being solely focused…certainly has highlighted characters at different points. This ep definitely felt like Gambit and Rogues. When you talk about fully formed XMen you’re talking about when they eventually go live action? If so I can understand the reservation. To be honest I’m enjoying the animated show for what it is and not giving too much stress to how they plan on working it into live action.
|
|
|
Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 12, 2024 20:53:12 GMT 1
I am not a Gambit fan but have learned to respect the character. For better or worse, he is part of the X-men's legacy. I feel like he came from an era of random names and gimmicks being fused to create new characters. He also seemed like an obvious ploy to sex up the book. In all fairness, male readers had an assortment of cheesecake in the book during that period. In any event, the overwhelming critical praise for the series from fans is both exhilarating and deflating. The thirst for fully-formed X-Men who arrive in costume immediately ready to fight crime is not something I'm interested in. It is good to see the X-Men back on top, though. Kid me was drawn to the cool in the character. As I aged he fell down some pegs. I never went hard against him like many of my peers did but I started favoring the more well developed XMen like Cyclops and Beast…or some that caught me off guard like Banshee and Black Tom. But I think this episode just took me back to kid me for a minute. I really enjoy how each episode, while not being solely focused…certainly has highlighted characters at different points. This ep definitely felt like Gambit and Rogues. When you talk about fully formed XMen you’re talking about when they eventually go live action? If so I can understand the reservation. To be honest I’m enjoying the animated show for what it is and not giving too much stress to how they plan on working it into live action. Yes, I am referring to the X-Men's live-action debut. I've been more resilient than the subset of MCU fans who are constantly in crisis over Marvel Studios' creative choices. I'm not quitting the fandom anytime soon; however, if the X-Men are pulled from the multiverse as a fully formed team, I could find myself walking away from the great MCU experiment without any rancor.
|
|
|
Post by AQUA CAT! on Apr 12, 2024 22:19:13 GMT 1
Kid me was drawn to the cool in the character. As I aged he fell down some pegs. I never went hard against him like many of my peers did but I started favoring the more well developed XMen like Cyclops and Beast…or some that caught me off guard like Banshee and Black Tom. But I think this episode just took me back to kid me for a minute. I really enjoy how each episode, while not being solely focused…certainly has highlighted characters at different points. This ep definitely felt like Gambit and Rogues. When you talk about fully formed XMen you’re talking about when they eventually go live action? If so I can understand the reservation. To be honest I’m enjoying the animated show for what it is and not giving too much stress to how they plan on working it into live action. Yes, I am referring to the X-Men's live-action debut. I've been more resilient than the subset of MCU fans who are constantly in crisis over Marvel Studios' creative choices. I'm not quitting the fandom anytime soon; however, if the X-Men are pulled from the multiverse as a fully formed team, I could find myself walking away from the great MCU experiment without any rancor. I've no interest in a live-action series of X-Men movies either. That just sounds awful.
|
|
|
Post by Merv on Apr 13, 2024 0:48:53 GMT 1
Yes, I am referring to the X-Men's live-action debut. I've been more resilient than the subset of MCU fans who are constantly in crisis over Marvel Studios' creative choices. I'm not quitting the fandom anytime soon; however, if the X-Men are pulled from the multiverse as a fully formed team, I could find myself walking away from the great MCU experiment without any rancor. I've no interest in a live-action series of X-Men movies either. That just sounds awful.
|
|
|
Post by AQUA CAT! on Apr 13, 2024 16:27:30 GMT 1
I've no interest in a live-action series of X-Men movies either. That just sounds awful. After a little light Googling on the subject...
|
|
|
Post by Merv on Apr 18, 2024 0:00:15 GMT 1
This episode had a couple mainline MCU nods. Ronan the Accuser, the Kree, Sorcery, the use of the term Terran. Very enjoyable.
Also I guess I’ll called it Storms Song but whatever the music is anytime Storm is doing badassery, I love it.
|
|
|
Post by Lord Death Man on Apr 18, 2024 1:46:25 GMT 1
This episode had a couple mainline MCU nods. Ronan the Accuser, the Kree, Sorcery, the use of the term Terran. Very enjoyable. Also I guess I’ll called it Storms Song but whatever the music is anytime Storm is doing badassery, I love it. They are killing it. Best depiction of the Kree in any media outside of the comics.
|
|
|
Post by Merv on Apr 28, 2024 1:18:51 GMT 1
well well well... {Spoiler} if it isn't old Steve...
|
|
|
Post by Merv on May 1, 2024 23:08:23 GMT 1
Also...too many mainline MCU references to count at this point. Kamar Taj, Stark Industries, Spiderman. Banger episode...Wolverine and Nightcrawler in combat was excellent.
|
|
|
Post by AQUA CAT! on May 3, 2024 2:25:51 GMT 1
For what it's worth, if I were Magneto then my first target upon being freed would be the president. Don't think you're scoring points by freeing me. You'd be the first person whose bonds between atoms I would split into trillions of irregular surfaces. Although, I didn't catch whether she was in on it or brought into the fold later, but I was surprised to discover her complicity since she was there on the island.
Somehow, I doubt the footage of Xavier ascending to emperor of the Sh'iar Empire was shared for the consumption of Earth. I wouldn't be surprised if it was co-opted and leaked by Bastion to sew discord. It would poison the well for Xavier's return, but I don't think Bastion was counting on him to return. That seems immaterial to his plan, which to me seems more like undoing the goodwill toward mutants by presenting their most sympathetic moments as false flags. His wild card is Magneto, and as satisfying as it would be to pull the iron atoms from the president's blood cells one by one, she's the proof of her own complicity in Genosha. Whether she was brought into the fold or part of it all along, she's the head of the operation. Bastion is more like one of the tentacles that controls the head on this monster.
I'd thought for a moment only Storm could/would create an atmospheric disturbance that would neutralize these new sentinels. Magneto's ploy makes me wonder how many people in the grander scheme of the world will consider Magneto's move a response or a first strike. We see a lot more than the civilians in X-Men see, and as Bastion states, optics is everything. Or at least that seemed like the theme of his plan to turn public opinion back against mutants.
Man that was some visually nice violence. That Wolverine and Nightcrawler synergy tho, and Magneto looks like he's about to tear that ass up.
|
|
|
Post by Merv on May 3, 2024 11:04:31 GMT 1
For what it's worth, if I were Magneto then my first target upon being freed would be the president. Don't think you're scoring points by freeing me. You'd be the first person whose bonds between atoms I would split into trillions of irregular surfaces. Although, I didn't catch whether she was in on it or brought into the fold later, but I was surprised to discover her complicity since she was there on the island.
Somehow, I doubt the footage of Xavier ascending to emperor of the Sh'iar Empire was shared for the consumption of Earth. I wouldn't be surprised if it was co-opted and leaked by Bastion to sew discord. It would poison the well for Xavier's return, but I don't think Bastion was counting on him to return. That seems immaterial to his plan, which to me seems more like undoing the goodwill toward mutants by presenting their most sympathetic moments as false flags. His wild card is Magneto, and as satisfying as it would be to pull the iron atoms from the president's blood cells one by one, she's the proof of her own complicity in Genosha. Whether she was brought into the fold or part of it all along, she's the head of the operation. Bastion is more like one of the tentacles that controls the head on this monster.
I'd thought for a moment only Storm could/would create an atmospheric disturbance that would neutralize these new sentinels. Magneto's ploy makes me wonder how many people in the grander scheme of the world will consider Magneto's move a response or a first strike. We see a lot more than the civilians in X-Men see, and as Bastion states, optics is everything. Or at least that seemed like the theme of his plan to turn public opinion back against mutants.
Man that was some visually nice violence. That Wolverine and Nightcrawler synergy tho, and Magneto looks like he's about to tear that ass up.
I can’t remember all of them, but the comics have a sort of ranking for the various power levels of mutants. Pretty sure Magneto is an Omega level threat…which might be the most powerful rank. It’s been a while since I looked into it. I know Iceman and Jean are. And yes the leak of Xavier with the Shiar was meant to crush the sympathy developed due to Xavier’s assumed death. Great episode tho.
|
|
|
Post by AQUA CAT! on May 3, 2024 15:14:23 GMT 1
For what it's worth, if I were Magneto then my first target upon being freed would be the president. Don't think you're scoring points by freeing me. You'd be the first person whose bonds between atoms I would split into trillions of irregular surfaces. Although, I didn't catch whether she was in on it or brought into the fold later, but I was surprised to discover her complicity since she was there on the island.
Somehow, I doubt the footage of Xavier ascending to emperor of the Sh'iar Empire was shared for the consumption of Earth. I wouldn't be surprised if it was co-opted and leaked by Bastion to sew discord. It would poison the well for Xavier's return, but I don't think Bastion was counting on him to return. That seems immaterial to his plan, which to me seems more like undoing the goodwill toward mutants by presenting their most sympathetic moments as false flags. His wild card is Magneto, and as satisfying as it would be to pull the iron atoms from the president's blood cells one by one, she's the proof of her own complicity in Genosha. Whether she was brought into the fold or part of it all along, she's the head of the operation. Bastion is more like one of the tentacles that controls the head on this monster.
I'd thought for a moment only Storm could/would create an atmospheric disturbance that would neutralize these new sentinels. Magneto's ploy makes me wonder how many people in the grander scheme of the world will consider Magneto's move a response or a first strike. We see a lot more than the civilians in X-Men see, and as Bastion states, optics is everything. Or at least that seemed like the theme of his plan to turn public opinion back against mutants.
Man that was some visually nice violence. That Wolverine and Nightcrawler synergy tho, and Magneto looks like he's about to tear that ass up.
I can’t remember all of them, but the comics have a sort of ranking for the various power levels of mutants. Pretty sure Magneto is an Omega level threat…which might be the most powerful rank. It’s been a while since I looked into it. I know Iceman and Jean are. And yes the leak of Xavier with the Shiar was meant to crush the sympathy developed due to Xavier’s assumed death. Great episode tho. They're killing it. I'm not used to anything killing it for a while but they're killing it.
|
|
|
Post by Merv on May 8, 2024 21:56:34 GMT 1
I am so very pleased.
|
|
|
Post by AQUA CAT! on May 9, 2024 4:26:46 GMT 1
I am so very pleased. That was remarkably something! Also I could watch this Gif for ages. Cyclops' hair is so nice. Half-hoping he doesn't stick with the blue penis look. So, Wolverine's adamantium was yanked off his bones, Roberto and Jubilee traded blows, Rogue tackled Wolverine out of mid-air, Sinister can assume control of Cable, Forge and the Blackbird went down, Bastion shed a tear for his mother, Storm may or may not have been brought up to speed on Gambit, Asteroid M (or something like) it is back, Magneto got Xavier to shut up, and Morph smashed. Oh, and the planet is fucked. Roberto has a point. His mother handed him over to the sentinels in front of all her friends, and that was a fundraiser for victims of Genosha! It will be interesting to see how Wolverine handles his mutilation. He's still tough as shit and a healer, but I'll be damned. Nice ploy by Morph running in as Sinister to trick Bastion. It was a nice attempt. That was intense. Might have to watch Requiem for a Dream just to come down.
|
|
|
Post by Merv on May 9, 2024 14:17:16 GMT 1
I am so very pleased. That was remarkably something! Also I could watch this Gif for ages. Cyclops' hair is so nice. Half-hoping he doesn't stick with the blue penis look. So, Wolverine's adamantium was yanked off his bones, Roberto and Jubilee traded blows, Rogue tackled Wolverine out of mid-air, Sinister can assume control of Cable, Forge and the Blackbird went down, Bastion shed a tear for his mother, Storm may or may not have been brought up to speed on Gambit, Asteroid M (or something like) it is back, Magneto got Xavier to shut up, and Morph smashed. Oh, and the planet is fucked. Roberto has a point. His mother handed him over to the sentinels in front of all her friends, and that was a fundraiser for victims of Genosha! It will be interesting to see how Wolverine handles his mutilation. He's still tough as shit and a healer, but I'll be damned. Nice ploy by Morph running in as Sinister to trick Bastion. It was a nice attempt. That was intense. Might have to watch Requiem for a Dream just to come down. In comics it causes a big regressive mutation to happen. He goes all Neanderthal with more feral features. I’m not sure what reverted him back to normal. I remember when I first started to read the comics in like 1996, he was like that and I had no idea why. At some point I read it was because of the events of Fatal Attraction, where Magneto had enough of Wolverines shit.
|
|
|
Post by AQUA CAT! on May 9, 2024 18:45:37 GMT 1
That was remarkably something! Also I could watch this Gif for ages. Cyclops' hair is so nice. Half-hoping he doesn't stick with the blue penis look. So, Wolverine's adamantium was yanked off his bones, Roberto and Jubilee traded blows, Rogue tackled Wolverine out of mid-air, Sinister can assume control of Cable, Forge and the Blackbird went down, Bastion shed a tear for his mother, Storm may or may not have been brought up to speed on Gambit, Asteroid M (or something like) it is back, Magneto got Xavier to shut up, and Morph smashed. Oh, and the planet is fucked. Roberto has a point. His mother handed him over to the sentinels in front of all her friends, and that was a fundraiser for victims of Genosha! It will be interesting to see how Wolverine handles his mutilation. He's still tough as shit and a healer, but I'll be damned. Nice ploy by Morph running in as Sinister to trick Bastion. It was a nice attempt. That was intense. Might have to watch Requiem for a Dream just to come down. In comics it causes a big regressive mutation to happen. He goes all Neanderthal with more feral features. I’m not sure what reverted him back to normal. I remember when I first started to read the comics in like 1996, he was like that and I had no idea why. At some point I read it was because of the events of Fatal Attraction, where Magneto had enough of Wolverines shit. I gathered from your post on V1 that there's one episode left? I thought for a minute that last night's was the season finale. Yeah, because Wolverine's powers are really his healing. The claws are ornamental. In the comics, and or X-Men, was it ever clarified if the adamantium was grafted onto claws made of bone that are already in his body, or were they claws grafted on too? I have vague recollections of one of the X-Men movies where his claws were bones before the adamantium was grafted. I could see Magneto having enough of Wolverine's shit. He's somebody I'd try and avoid if I were Wolverine. I think I'd be pissed if someone stabbed me too. I assume that Magneto's metal influencing shares a DNA with metal-bending. With a guy who like Wolverine, Magneto could practically puppeteer him like he's blood-bending his ass. Maybe. I heard a remark about using robots as opponents in comics because you can go hard on them. Some of it is so delicious. The one hand-face slap in last night's episode went hard. It was oddly less destructive than some of the other violence, yet it felt so impactful. "Slap hear around the world" material.
|
|
|
Post by Merv on May 9, 2024 19:56:11 GMT 1
In comics it causes a big regressive mutation to happen. He goes all Neanderthal with more feral features. I’m not sure what reverted him back to normal. I remember when I first started to read the comics in like 1996, he was like that and I had no idea why. At some point I read it was because of the events of Fatal Attraction, where Magneto had enough of Wolverines shit. I gathered from your post on V1 that there's one episode left? I thought for a minute that last night's was the season finale. Yeah, because Wolverine's powers are really his healing. The claws are ornamental. In the comics, and or X-Men, was it ever clarified if the adamantium was grafted onto claws made of bone that are already in his body, or were they claws grafted on too? I have vague recollections of one of the X-Men movies where his claws were bones before the adamantium was grafted. I could see Magneto having enough of Wolverine's shit. He's somebody I'd try and avoid if I were Wolverine. I think I'd be pissed if someone stabbed me too. I assume that Magneto's metal influencing shares a DNA with metal-bending. With a guy who like Wolverine, Magneto could practically puppeteer him like he's blood-bending his ass. Maybe. I heard a remark about using robots as opponents in comics because you can go hard on them. Some of it is so delicious. The one hand-face slap in last night's episode went hard. It was oddly less destructive than some of the other violence, yet it felt so impactful. "Slap hear around the world" material. Wolverines claws have undergone a few changes over the years. Initially they were implied to be just weapons that he could take on and off, then he reveals that they’re part of him and that when the adamantium was grafted on excess adamantium pooled up in his body and basically formed into his claws. When his metal was removed in comics he displays his bone claws, revealing that the claws are actually a part of his mutation. When they wrote his origin story in the 2000s they included the bone claws as part of his mutation. This origin was used for the X-men Origins Wolverine movie. I loved so much of the combat this episode. The Scott-Cable moments were great also. Cable is an amazing character. I’m not sure if the Sentinels were created for that sentiment or not. I know the TMNT cartoon used robotic foot soldiers for that reason. But with the sentinels being so big for XMen comics I don’t know if they needed that reasoning here.
|
|
|
Post by Merv on May 9, 2024 19:57:47 GMT 1
Also Wolverine having an origin was very controversial in the comic community. Many fans preferred the mysterious origins of his character, never fully knowing how old he was or what his full history was.
|
|