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Post by Jayman on Sept 25, 2020 6:02:24 GMT 1
I don't see why they would go through all of this trouble. The diehards will be excited, but the average viewer would probably just say screw it because they saw the movie already
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 25, 2020 7:50:48 GMT 1
I don't see why they would go through all of this trouble. The diehards will be excited, but the average viewer would probably just say screw it because they saw the movie already Yep this is a financial disaster waiting to happen. I hope WB can stand to lose its money over this. With Covid and all this is not a really responsible way of doing business.
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Post by Jayman on Sept 25, 2020 9:06:28 GMT 1
I don't see why they would go through all of this trouble. The diehards will be excited, but the average viewer would probably just say screw it because they saw the movie already Yep this is a financial disaster waiting to happen. I hope WB can stand to lose its money over this. With Covid and all this is not a really responsible way of doing business. i just think what’s done is done. You don’t get a redo. The best thing to do is make a great sequel
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 5, 2020 20:11:48 GMT 1
So there's this now lol Francis Coppola’s New Cut Of ‘Godfather Part III’ To Get Limited December Theatrical Release Before VOD linkstrangely I would watch this. I’m a huge Godfather fan of all 3 to be exact. I’ve always had this morbid wish to do one last one with Andy Garcia coming back as an older Vincent and Deniro playing the older Vito in a similar split style to part 2
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 5, 2020 20:19:07 GMT 1
I don't see why they would go through all of this trouble. The diehards will be excited, but the average viewer would probably just say screw it because they saw the movie already Yep this is a financial disaster waiting to happen. I hope WB can stand to lose its money over this. With Covid and all this is not a really responsible way of doing business. I agree. I don’t see how this comes close to making financial sense or brand marketing sense. They are literally handcuffing themselves to this movement who won’t let them just move on from what was obviously a failure. They insist that it wasn’t. $70mil to keep it going and distract from all of the other good looking projects they have on tap? Whyyyyyy?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 23:47:07 GMT 1
So there's this now lol Francis Coppola’s New Cut Of ‘Godfather Part III’ To Get Limited December Theatrical Release Before VOD linkstrangely I would watch this. I’m a huge Godfather fan of all 3 to be exact. I’ve always had this morbid wish to do one last one with Andy Garcia coming back as an older Vincent and Deniro playing the older Vito in a similar split style to part 2 I laughed at the news but yeah i'd watch it out of curiosity. How could one not? It's Coppola. Although the duration would be annoying lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 1:50:55 GMT 1
I don't see why they would go through all of this trouble. The diehards will be excited, but the average viewer would probably just say screw it because they saw the movie already Yep this is a financial disaster waiting to happen. I hope WB can stand to lose its money over this. With Covid and all this is not a really responsible way of doing business. On the other hand, if Disney ends up buying them as the result of this nonsense, we'd actually end up getting worthwhile DC films.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 1:53:16 GMT 1
Yep this is a financial disaster waiting to happen. I hope WB can stand to lose its money over this. With Covid and all this is not a really responsible way of doing business. I agree. I don’t see how this comes close to making financial sense or brand marketing sense. They are literally handcuffing themselves to this movement who won’t let them just move on from what was obviously a failure. They insist that it wasn’t. $70mil to keep it going and distract from all of the other good looking projects they have on tap? Whyyyyyy? A new Superman movie coming out only one year after "The Avengers" should have been an easy billion if it was competently done at all. The fact it could only do 1% better than "Thor: The Dark World" should have been all the warning they needed.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 6, 2020 1:57:59 GMT 1
I agree. I don’t see how this comes close to making financial sense or brand marketing sense. They are literally handcuffing themselves to this movement who won’t let them just move on from what was obviously a failure. They insist that it wasn’t. $70mil to keep it going and distract from all of the other good looking projects they have on tap? Whyyyyyy? A new Superman movie coming out only year after "The Avengers" should have been an easy billion if it was competently done at all. The fact it could only do 1% better than "Thor: The Dark World" should have been all the warning they needed. It was. How anybody looks at MOS and says it’s great with a straight face I have no idea. I’ll tell you this,,, it was no surprise to me that BVS turned out the way it did. MOS had suck written all in the DNA of that series IMO
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 2:49:48 GMT 1
A new Superman movie coming out only year after "The Avengers" should have been an easy billion if it was competently done at all. The fact it could only do 1% better than "Thor: The Dark World" should have been all the warning they needed. It was. How anybody looks at MOS and says it’s great with a straight face I have no idea. I’ll tell you this,,, it was no surprise to me that BVS turned out the way it did. MOS had suck written all in the DNA of that series IMO And I have no idea why they decided to keep pursuing this route even though Snyder had three flops leading up to MOS. Watchmen only did $182 million against a $138 million budget, Sucker Punch only did $90 million against an $82 million budget. And Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole only did $140 million against an $80 million budget. Why would anyone give this man the keys to a big budget franchise?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 6:02:00 GMT 1
Snydery Snyderness drenched in Snyder-Sauce
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Oct 7, 2020 17:57:00 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 10:28:32 GMT 1
Suicide Squad Director David Ayer Confirms His Vision Exists In an Unlikely Place link
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2020 2:05:32 GMT 1
Suicide Squad Director David Ayer Confirms His Vision Exists In an Unlikely Place link The puckered anus of Zack Snyder?
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 21, 2020 20:11:32 GMT 1
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 21, 2020 20:47:49 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 21, 2020 21:26:50 GMT 1
nooooooo? No way. This has to be a joke? And if it isn’t, the film definitely is
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 21, 2020 21:33:23 GMT 1
nooooooo? No way. This has to be a joke? And if it isn’t, the film definitely is It already was.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 21, 2020 21:37:39 GMT 1
nooooooo? No way. This has to be a joke? And if it isn’t, the film definitely is It already was. well that’s the end of anybody claiming it’s the “original vision” However big of a fan you are of it, this thing is now officially a giant Zach jerk off session
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 1:18:02 GMT 1
well that’s the end of anybody claiming it’s the “original vision” However big of a fan you are of it, this thing is now officially a giant Zach jerk off session Meanwhile, worthwhile movies that underperformed collect dust on a shelf somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 23:32:04 GMT 1
Yeah apparently Joe's Deathstroke has signed up again too
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 23:33:00 GMT 1
Wonder if this will lead to the Ayer cut?
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Oct 28, 2020 18:35:49 GMT 1
The following article confirms what I have been saying for awhile now, that even though casual fans say this it is not worth the money, actual industry experts say that it is.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Oct 28, 2020 18:35:58 GMT 1
What Box Office Experts Think of HBO Max’s ‘Justice League’ Snyder Cut Gamble By Brandon Katz • 10/27/20 11:13am For three years following the critical and commercial disappointment of Warner Bros.’ theatrical Justice League, the most stubbornly persistent storyline in Hollywood has been the #ReleasetheSnyderCut fan campaign. A small but vocal and highly organized contingent of viewers dedicated to pressuring Warner Bros. into allowing director Zack Snyder, who was forced to leave production midway through Justice League due to a family tragedy, to complete his vision.
The #ReleasetheSnyderCut fan campaign has proven controversial over the years. As we’ve previously explored, the effort includes both well-intentioned fans simply hoping to see the original intent behind the film and a faction of toxic supporters dedicated to the online harassment of anyone who doesn’t share their admiration of Snyder’s work. Regardless of which side is responsible, WB announced in May that Snyder would get his shot.
The studio is investing upwards of $70 million into a four-part miniseries that will arrive on HBO Max in 2021. Reshoots, featuring returning castmembers such as Ben Affleck and Gal Gadot as well as surprise additions such as Jared Leto’s Joker and Joe Manganiello’s Deathstroke, are currently underway. However, the #ReleasetheSnyderCut campaign has never extended beyond dedicated superhero fans and into the mainstream, which begs the question of whether or not this expensive endeavor will be worthwhile for the studio.
To better understand the Xs and Os involved in the decision making and explore this new Justice League‘s prospects for success on HBO Max, we talked to a handful of industry experts.
Paul Dergarabedian, Senior Media Analyst, Comscore
Dergarabedian acknowledges that mainstream audiences who were already disappointed with the theatrical Justice League and aren’t plugged in enough to the industry to be aware of the #SnyderCut campaign likely won’t be flocking to HBO Max for this new version. But he also believes that may not be WarnerMedia’s sole intent with this move.
“Everyone looks at studios as these monolithic financially motivated entities, but when you see something like this it tells you that more is going on,” he told Observer. “There’s an X-factor to consider. Do we want this person to work elsewhere or do we want keep them in-house? If it doesn’t make hard financial or objective financial sense on its face, then there are subjective motivations and factors at play. They want to be in the Zack Snyder business just like Warners wants to be in the Christopher Nolan business. It’s long-term strategy.”
Regardless of the miniseries’ reception, Dergarabedian sees the move as a “great way to get people to subscribe” to HBO Max. He argues that consumers first look at a streamer’s available content and then at the price (HBO Max is a premium service at $15 per month) before making a cost-benefit analysis. Something like a sprawling four-part Justice League series is the type of attention-grabbing content that entices new sign-ups, even if audiences outside of the superhero craze aren’t as receptive.
“Maybe they’ve got plans for this that will make it feel more appealing to a broader cross-section of audiences or maybe it’s about having the best reviewed project irrespective of its financial performance,” he said. “This is much more specific than how Marvel has developed its crossover audience appeal. What it really shows is a long-term commitment, patience and loyalty to a filmmaker to create something grand.”
Jeff Bock, Senior Box Office Analyst, Exhibitor Relations
Bock sees the value in investing in superhero material, especially when it involves the most iconic characters of all, even if the first attempt was a failure.
“While Justice League wasn’t The Avengers DC was hoping for at the box office, there is no denying superheroes and their machinations are still the champions of social media,” he told Observer. “Considering content is at a premium right now, and we’re in the middle of an all-out war for eyeballs, HBO Max investing upwards of $100 million for an extended comic book caper seems like a solid play for subscribers.”
WarnerMedia and HBO Max will need to craft a creative and effective marketing plan to convince casual viewers that A) this is different from the disappointing Justice League film they saw in 2017 and B) it’s worth the cost of an HBO Max subscription. But it also provides the added benefit of keeping DC at the forefront of the pop culture conversation even if the Snyder Cut isn’t equivalent to a Hamilton on Disney+.
“While viewers may ultimately shrug, this kind of substance moves the needle and keeps the conversation about Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman going,” Bock said. “Front and center in the mind of consumers, that’s exactly what WB wants for their legacy characters. Plus, the additional wrinkles of Joker and Deathstroke further the connection of the DC universe of characters, something Marvel has consistently done well, and something DC is finally moving towards.”
Shawn Robbins, Chief Analyst, Box Office Pro
Robbins sees both sides of the arguments and acknowledges there is an emotional component involved as well as stone cold business. Even after the theatrical Justice League lost WB up to $100 million, he acknowledges the upside of this retroactive fix, though he emphasizes that final judgments can’t be made until the product is actually out there in the world.
“On one hand, this is a fan-driven move and also one of solidarity with Snyder himself,” he told Observer. “He’s delivered a number of films over the years for Warner Bros., several of them becoming big financial hits. When tragedy struck, the studio understood he wouldn’t be able to finish a story he had been working toward over the course of several films. Just to give him that opportunity now, and simultaneously show that they are listening to their fans, reaffirms goodwill between both and one of the biggest studios in the industry.”
Again though, the #SnyderCut has not permeated the mainstream, and under DC President Walter Hamada, installed in January 2018, the DC Extended Universe has moved into a new direction. As such, this may be a one-off in much the same way that Disney CEO Bob Chapek said Mulan releasing on Disney+ Premier Access was a singular move.
“Warner Bros. knows this part of the DC film strategy is increasingly in the rear-view mirror as the comic book movie universe evolves toward standalone films, focusing on origin stories from different filmmakers, and rebuilding the brand’s overall perception with general audiences,” Robbins said. “They realize the cinematic future of DC is shifting away from Snyder’s era, but they have a new streaming arm that makes sense for a big release intended mainly as a valentine to a very vocal and dedicated fan base.”
Robbins argues that if the Snyder Cut expands that subscriber base, especially at one of the higher-priced tiers among streamers, the long-term benefits may outweigh any hypothetical losses. On the other hand, perhaps the studio spends just enough to be able to recoup that investment from those who sign up for one month just to watch what will be a fairly high profile home release. In that case, it goes back to the notion of this being a one-off experiment that, at the very least, builds fan and filmmaker goodwill for the future.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Oct 28, 2020 20:36:15 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 31, 2020 15:02:24 GMT 1
The following article confirms what I have been saying for awhile now, that even though casual fans say this it is not worth the money, actual industry experts say that it is. It seems like they’re saying it is “if” Zach continues to be profitable on other projects. It’s basically a big gamble is what I’m reading. Am I off on that?
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Oct 31, 2020 17:48:42 GMT 1
The following article confirms what I have been saying for awhile now, that even though casual fans say this it is not worth the money, actual industry experts say that it is. It seems like they’re saying it is “if” Zach continues to be profitable on other projects. It’s basically a big gamble is what I’m reading. Am I off on that? I dont know, i just sort of skimmed through it. But the entire movie making industry really is nothing more than a (very expensive) bet, no? 😉
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 31, 2020 17:56:29 GMT 1
It seems like they’re saying it is “if” Zach continues to be profitable on other projects. It’s basically a big gamble is what I’m reading. Am I off on that? I dont know, i just sort of skimmed through it. But the entire movie making industry really is nothing more than a (very expensive) bet, no? 😉 theyre typically calculated bets. This seems more like a shot in the dark
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Oct 31, 2020 18:22:25 GMT 1
I dont know, i just sort of skimmed through it. But the entire movie making industry really is nothing more than a (very expensive) bet, no? 😉 theyre typically calculated bets. This seems more like a shot in the dark I am sure they are just desperate at this point. 😂
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