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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 14:24:12 GMT 1
I notice that Steve still doesn't interact with anyone but Diana. I bet I'm right and he isn't really there. Yeah theres {Spoiler} a theory where Maxwell Lord is kind of a genie and grants wishes, hence Steve Trevor
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Post by Nightman on Sept 3, 2020 4:39:40 GMT 1
I notice that Steve still doesn't interact with anyone but Diana. I bet I'm right and he isn't really there. Yeah theres {Spoiler} a theory where Maxwell Lord is kind of a genie and grants wishes, hence Steve Trevor I haven't heard that one. I like it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 14:11:08 GMT 1
Im actually excited for this movie. I wasnt in the beginning. Please dont let me down
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 17:48:18 GMT 1
Yeah theres {Spoiler} a theory where Maxwell Lord is kind of a genie and grants wishes, hence Steve Trevor I haven't heard that one. I like it. Its supposedly like a monkey's paw kinda deal where you get something you want, but at a terrible price. I think it sounds interesting.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 6, 2020 18:46:32 GMT 1
I haven't heard that one. I like it. Its supposedly like a monkey's paw kinda deal where you get something you want, but at a terrible price. I think it sounds interesting. It sounds incredibly boring to me - no offense. It conjures up images from when I was a small child and was easily frightened by TV shows like Friday the 13th the series. I guess the appeal of the Faustian bargain is really quite timeless. Unless it involves Ghost Rider or Mephisto, that kind of premise holds little interest for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 6:03:02 GMT 1
Its supposedly like a monkey's paw kinda deal where you get something you want, but at a terrible price. I think it sounds interesting. It sounds incredibly boring to me - no offense. It conjures up images from when I was a small child and was easily frightened by TV shows like Friday the 13th the series. I guess the appeal of the Faustian bargain is really quite timeless. Unless it involves Ghost Rider or Mephisto, that kind of premise holds little interest for me. Depends on how it’s done. Sometimes really embracing a classic -if not cheesy- concept like that can be fun. I’m actually more interested to see how it works with Pascal’s Trump-Esque character than WW herself. The 80s excess angle could be enjoyable in tandem with the monkey paw trope.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2020 8:48:29 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 1:52:19 GMT 1
I will go to theaters for this. COVID be damned.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Oct 19, 2020 3:33:58 GMT 1
I will go to theaters for this. COVID be damned. Damn you COVID! DAMN YOU !!!!!1
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 0:23:55 GMT 1
I wanna see this!
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Post by Jayman on Oct 22, 2020 0:27:35 GMT 1
That Gal Gadot just rocks my whole life. Wow!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 27, 2020 18:22:23 GMT 1
That Gal Gadot just rocks my whole life. Wow! Id literally do anything to her
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Post by Jayman on Oct 27, 2020 20:38:04 GMT 1
That Gal Gadot just rocks my whole life. Wow! Id literally do anything to her Linda Carter also. I grew up looking at her
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 27, 2020 20:52:13 GMT 1
Id literally do anything to her Linda Carter also. I grew up looking at her mine was Salma Hayek. But yeah had I been around in the 70’s I would have gladly turned Linda Carter into a pin cushion ;-)
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Nov 19, 2020 1:34:08 GMT 1
The film is still scheduled for a Christmas release in theaters, however you'll also be able to watch it on HBO Max at no additional cost.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 11:23:31 GMT 1
The film is still scheduled for a Christmas release in theaters, however you'll also be able to watch it on HBO Max at no additional cost. Booya! Boomshakalaka. The new normal is finally here
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Post by maximura on Nov 19, 2020 14:04:36 GMT 1
The film is still scheduled for a Christmas release in theaters, however you'll also be able to watch it on HBO Max at no additional cost. I'm curious how this will impact future Marvel releases as it's a much more direct test than Mulan. We could be watching the destruction of theaters or a significant change to the film industry. Perhaps a new standard of only the most epic goes to theater. I've heard market saturation of films discussed. Odd to watch an obvious epic attempt like WW84 be an early model for direct to home.
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 19, 2020 14:31:41 GMT 1
I dont know about global availability but HBO Max has not been released in my country. So they will need theater revenue from the foreign market. I dont see this making a profit. Can WB handle another flop after Tenet? AT&T may have too little knowledge of the industry to handle this well. I fear for WB Studios.
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Post by maximura on Nov 19, 2020 14:37:56 GMT 1
I dont know about global availability but HBO Max has not been released in my country. So they will need theater revenue from the foreign market. I dont see this making a profit. Can WB handle another flop after Tenet? AT&T may have too little knowledge of the industry to handle this well. I fear for WB Studios. It's an interesting gamble. Streaming has much lower industry cost than theatrical release. Can they save enough in marketing and profit sharing to make the same or better profit? I know many markets don't have streaming so there is clearly still a theatrical cost, but watching them balance the cost/revenue will probably give us a glimpse of where things could go.
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 19, 2020 14:59:09 GMT 1
I dont know about global availability but HBO Max has not been released in my country. So they will need theater revenue from the foreign market. I dont see this making a profit. Can WB handle another flop after Tenet? AT&T may have too little knowledge of the industry to handle this well. I fear for WB Studios. It's an interesting gamble. Streaming has much lower industry cost than theatrical release. Can they save enough in marketing and profit sharing to make the same or better profit? I know many markets don't have streaming so there is clearly still a theatrical cost, but watching them balance the cost/revenue will probably give us a glimpse of where things could go. True. In the future I can see straight to streaming movies with a premium access of some sort be profitable if they are low budget. The problem is that the budget for this movie is probable too high for that even without marketing costs. They will need some sort of box office return. The biggest market is the US where it can be seen with an HBO Max account. So its not like all subscription money (even the new ones) are only for this movie. So their return of investment has to come from overseas. I dont see the masses back in theaters by Xmas. In fact a lot of countries in Europe are going back in lockdown at the moment. Vaccines are on the way but by no means ready and certainly not in such a way 55-60% of the population will be vaccinated soon. That will take probably a year. 55-60% is necessary to get to a proper level of group immunity for the virus the die out. At least thats what I understand. So I dont see how WW84 will get a good enough box office haul this Xmas. WB is playing a high stakes card game and that on Ace of Hearts will not be able to save them.
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Post by maximura on Nov 19, 2020 15:18:10 GMT 1
It's an interesting gamble. Streaming has much lower industry cost than theatrical release. Can they save enough in marketing and profit sharing to make the same or better profit? I know many markets don't have streaming so there is clearly still a theatrical cost, but watching them balance the cost/revenue will probably give us a glimpse of where things could go. True. In the future I can see straight to streaming movies with a premium access of some sort be profitable if they are low budget. The problem is that the budget for this movie is probable to high for that even without marketing costs. They will need some sort of box office return. The biggest market is the US where it can be seen with an HBO Max account. So its not like all subscription money (even the new ones) are only for this movie. So their return of investment has to come from overseas. I dont see the masses back in theaters by Xmas. In fact a lot of countries in Europe are going back in lockdown at the moment. Vaccines are on the way but by no means ready and certainly not in such a way 55-60% of the population will be vaccinated soon. That will take probably a year. 55-60% is necessary to get to a proper level of group immunity for the virus the die out. At least thats what I understand. So I dont see how WW84 will get a good enough box office haul this Xmas. WB is playing a high stakes card game and that on Ace of Hearts will not be able to save them. Their problem is a need to produce revenues despite no traditional way to do so. They can't report back to their investors that they just blew hundreds of millions in various films with no revenue stream, so they have to release something. I have no idea how many new subscribers would be expected or needed for HBO Max to make this profitable, but it's currently in deep, deep red. They're desperate to drag the sinking ship back towards the surface to maintain investors. By showing the promise of some improvement through this, they keep the guys that were about to bail because some improvement is better than none for them. It seems like a carrot on a stick move more than a genuine attempt to profit. All of these studios are likely in panic mode to recoup their expenses at this point. I think we're watching different studios try their best economist's guess on how to succeed and only at the point where the studio is desperate for a win. Each seems to be holding off and finally breaking for a seemingly weak idea which speaks to a certain desperation.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 19, 2020 15:26:54 GMT 1
I’m suspicious they won’t make a ton on HBO Max. They’ll get some subscribers, but a lot of people will just do a free trial and cancel if WW was all they were interested in. Unless I’m mistake, I don’t see that it says you need to pay extra to watch it. Or they’ll watch it with friends who already have it. I have no idea what % would or would not sign up but they’re about to find out.
Regardless, it cuts into their Justice League profits because those who do sign up for those, only do it once. Granted I don’t know what their premium option costs as I write this.
My question is, why didn’t they do this 2 months ago instead of waiting until people started locking down a little more again for winter cold season?
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Nov 19, 2020 15:35:14 GMT 1
I actually want Disney to do this with Black Widow. Give people the option of watching it at home or theaters.
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Post by maximura on Nov 19, 2020 17:05:14 GMT 1
I actually want Disney to do this with Black Widow. Give people the option of watching it at home or theaters. From a fan perspective, I agree. From a business perspective or even long-term I want as much of this as I can get fandom, I want them to do whatever makes the most profit towards that end. Until this strategy works, I'd rather they not lose on it.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 19, 2020 17:27:31 GMT 1
I actually want Disney to do this with Black Widow. Give people the option of watching it at home or theaters. From a fan perspective, I agree. From a business perspective or even long-term I want as much of this as I can get fandom, I want them to do whatever makes the most profit towards that end. Until this strategy works, I'd rather they not lose on it. I'm thrilled that Wonder Woman fans are getting this opportunity. Where I am, there are no theaters open. So for me, there wouldn't be much of a choice. I'd have to see Black Widow on Disney+ or travel a state over. I have gray access to HBO Max, so now that it won't cost me anything but time, maybe I'll catch WW84 after all. If I go by the trades, AT&T is likely doing this because they need more HBO Max subscribers badly. I think that if you'd have left this choice solely up to WB, they'd have probably pushed the release date further down the line. Disney will likely break and ship Black Widow to Disney+, but it's unlikely they'll do it for no extra charge. They're not that desperate yet. Subscriber growth is a lot better than I thought at 70M+.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Nov 19, 2020 17:49:46 GMT 1
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Nov 19, 2020 17:51:00 GMT 1
I have been a subscriber for years, HBO has always taken great care of us.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Nov 19, 2020 18:34:39 GMT 1
BTW, HBO already has 140 million subscribers ( twice as many as Disney+ )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 23:27:19 GMT 1
BTW, HBO already has 140 million subscribers ( twice as many as Disney+ ) I just got HBO thrown into my cable bundle. I wonder if that includes HBO MaX? Or do you have to subscribe to it separately?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 19, 2020 23:48:21 GMT 1
BTW, HBO already has 140 million subscribers ( twice as many as Disney+ ) I just got HBO thrown into my cable bundle. I wonder if that includes HBO MaX? Or do you have to subscribe to it separately? Does HBO Max cannibalize its traditional HBO cable-subscription base? Does every HBO subscriber get Max for free? What is your incentive to keep a paid subscription if Max is cheaper? I'm sure there are reasonable answers to these questions, but HBO sucks at branding (Go, Now, Max). I think they need to commit to being an actual streaming service if they want to compete with other streaming services. Is there anything in 4K on the service yet?
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