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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jul 20, 2023 12:45:01 GMT 1
I know some of you dont like Grace but she considers this to be the worst Nolan movie. Interesting. For me it's Dunkirk. For a frame of reference she did like Inception and Tenet but disliked Interstellar but she would rather watch IS than Oppenheimer lol
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jul 20, 2023 12:45:28 GMT 1
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jul 20, 2023 12:47:03 GMT 1
Going to see it this weekend myself. Not sure what to expect. My prediction is that I will be ok with this flick
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Post by Merv on Jul 20, 2023 14:05:46 GMT 1
I know some of you dont like Grace but she considers this to be the worst Nolan movie. Interesting. For me it's Dunkirk. For a frame of reference she did like Inception and Tenet but disliked Interstellar but she would rather watch IS than Oppenheimer lol I think I’ve liked every Nolan film at least a little bit except the Following, or whatever his first film was called. I got kinda bored by that one.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 20, 2023 16:03:10 GMT 1
With the releases of Oppenheimer and Barbie, I'm surprised these two films haven't been used as proxies in the battle of the sexes. They clearly represent the age-old dichotomy of 'men are from Mars and women are from Venus.'
Oppenheimer is a tale of men harnessing destructive forces, pushing the boundaries of science and morality. The marketing for the film has been appropriately grim, featuring a burning hellscape and serious-looking men.
On the other hand, we have Barbie, a film that represents the Venus side. I assume it's a story about creation, nurturing, and the power of imagination. The marketing for this film starkly contrasts Oppenheimer with giddy laughter, hot pinks and beach-off battles.
I haven't seen Grace's review of Oppenheimer, but I'm not surprised she disliked it. She's been known to give unfavorable views to some of Nolan's other films. I would expect nothing less from the woman who stood tall for Morbius.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jul 20, 2023 19:06:00 GMT 1
Lol Our national theater chain is offering Barbenheimer tickets for saturdaynight. Both movies back to back at the same theater. The most bizarre rivalry and pair up in cinema history.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jul 20, 2023 21:15:55 GMT 1
Lol Our national theater chain is offering Barbenheimer tickets for saturdaynight. Both movies back to back at the same theater. I would do that. What I'll probably have to do anyways is buy both tickets at the same time for back to back showings and deal with whatever break happens in between.
That's plan 1. Plan 2 would be to see them on separate days, which is more likely to happen and would ironically make plan 2 into plan A and plan 1 into plan b. Plan 1/b would be my preferred choice but it's much less likely so it's the backup.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jul 20, 2023 21:29:38 GMT 1
With the releases of Oppenheimer and Barbie, I'm surprised these two films haven't been used as proxies in the battle of the sexes. They clearly represent the age-old dichotomy of 'men are from Mars and women are from Venus.' Oppenheimer is a tale of men harnessing destructive forces, pushing the boundaries of science and morality. The marketing for the film has been appropriately grim, featuring a burning hellscape and serious-looking men. On the other hand, we have Barbie, a film that represents the Venus side. I assume it's a story about creation, nurturing, and the power of imagination. The marketing for this film starkly contrasts Oppenheimer with giddy laughter, hot pinks and beach-off battles. I haven't seen Grace's review of Oppenheimer, but I'm not surprised she disliked it. She's been known to give unfavorable views to some of Nolan's other films. I would expect nothing less from the woman who stood tall for Morbius. I think they are pitted as the battle of the sexes. If it hasn't been outright stated by now it's ought to be, and not just for the colour schemes of the movies but who the directors are and who's likely to get into it over the internet over which one gets the support.
The gender wars vibe struck me the moment I learned Barbenheimer was a thing. My guess is discourse will evolve into some version of people are interested in *whichever one wins the box office open* after all. Normally I don't care about box office and viewings because I think they're more scoreboard arguments than anything, but on occasion a surge into one film or type of film over another says a lot about what the public is hungry for, so in this case it could mean anything from public thirsting for anything from historical epic to fourth-wall breaking meta to Christopher Nolan to female led with female director.
Oddly enough I'd make the case Oppenheimer could also be a story about creation and nurturing, and the omnipresent debate about the nuclear deterrent would be the argument that the bomb was intended as an instrument of peace. I'm expecting to get as much from the story because it seems like the logic, which has played out in numerous stories before, is the purpose of these weapons is the threat of mutually assured destruction, and that the atomic bomb was this complicated preamble to lasting peace.
I'm half expecting to learn what truth there is or isn't to this theory but my impression is Oppenheimer was never thirsty for murder and body counts, thus the complicated legacy and psychology of the bomb.
But yes even as a base level this movie looks like it's black vs pink, like the two halves of Bret the Hitman Hart's wrestling outfit going to war with each other.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 20, 2023 23:13:03 GMT 1
With the releases of Oppenheimer and Barbie, I'm surprised these two films haven't been used as proxies in the battle of the sexes. They clearly represent the age-old dichotomy of 'men are from Mars and women are from Venus.' Oppenheimer is a tale of men harnessing destructive forces, pushing the boundaries of science and morality. The marketing for the film has been appropriately grim, featuring a burning hellscape and serious-looking men. On the other hand, we have Barbie, a film that represents the Venus side. I assume it's a story about creation, nurturing, and the power of imagination. The marketing for this film starkly contrasts Oppenheimer with giddy laughter, hot pinks and beach-off battles. I haven't seen Grace's review of Oppenheimer, but I'm not surprised she disliked it. She's been known to give unfavorable views to some of Nolan's other films. I would expect nothing less from the woman who stood tall for Morbius. I think they are pitted as the battle of the sexes. If it hasn't been outright stated by now it's ought to be, and not just for the colour schemes of the movies but who the directors are and who's likely to get into it over the internet over which one gets the support.
The gender wars vibe struck me the moment I learned Barbenheimer was a thing. My guess is discourse will evolve into some version of people are interested in *whichever one wins the box office open* after all. Normally I don't care about box office and viewings because I think they're more scoreboard arguments than anything, but on occasion a surge into one film or type of film over another says a lot about what the public is hungry for, so in this case it could mean anything from public thirsting for anything from historical epic to fourth-wall breaking meta to Christopher Nolan to female led with female director.
Oddly enough I'd make the case Oppenheimer could also be a story about creation and nurturing, and the omnipresent debate about the nuclear deterrent would be the argument that the bomb was intended as an instrument of peace. I'm expecting to get as much from the story because it seems like the logic, which has played out in numerous stories before, is the purpose of these weapons is the threat of mutually assured destruction, and that the atomic bomb was this complicated preamble to lasting peace.
I'm half expecting to learn what truth there is or isn't to this theory but my impression is Oppenheimer was never thirsty for murder and body counts, thus the complicated legacy and psychology of the bomb.
But yes even as a base level this movie looks like it's black vs pink, like the two halves of Bret the Hitman Hart's wrestling outfit going to war with each other.
I appreciate your perspective on the matter, AQUA CAT!. It's interesting to see how different people interpret the same situation. I hadn't noticed any overt enmity between the sexes online, but I did see the term "Barbenheimer" trending. I initially thought it was a symbol of unity between audiences and genders, a playful mashup of two very different films. Your take on "Oppenheimer" as a story of creation and nurturing is intriguing and would certainly require a very open mind. Most people, I believe, would see Oppenheimer's work as largely destructive, given the devastating impact of the atomic bomb. I remember writing a paper on Oppenheimer in high school, of which I recall almost no details, but somehow managed to get a B+. That said, I do remember that Oppenheimer was a theoretician, and it's likely he only understood his invention in an abstract way until he saw it unleashed in the real world. The "Barbenheimer" phenomenon and the potential battle of the sexes it represents is an interesting lens through which to view these films. I agree that the box office results could reflect public sentiment and what people are currently interested in. The color scheme comparison you made between the films and Bret the Hitman Hart's wrestling outfit gave me a chuckle. 🤣
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jul 20, 2023 23:33:00 GMT 1
It's amazing how even with something like 'Barbenheimer', that unites these movies (and has been promoting seeing *both*), there's still those driving division between the two. I guess some just like that sort of thing.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jul 20, 2023 23:36:32 GMT 1
It's amazing how even with something like 'Barbenheimer', that unites these movies (and has been promoting seeing *both*), there's still those driving division between the two. I guess some just like that sort of thing. Imagine being told your passion project about the nuclear bomb guy is going to be a used in an online battle of the sexes.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jul 21, 2023 1:16:52 GMT 1
I know some of you dont like Grace but she considers this to be the worst Nolan movie. Interesting. For me it's Dunkirk. Same for me. I'd even rather give Tenet a rewatch - sometime when I know I'm not going to nod off during it (as I did when I watched it for the first time - though I think that was at least in part due to me already being sleep-deprived at the time).
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 21, 2023 15:36:25 GMT 1
It's amazing how even with something like 'Barbenheimer', that unites these movies (and has been promoting seeing *both*), there's still those driving division between the two. I guess some just like that sort of thing. Those people are so few as to be completely insignificant. We really give way too much credit to tiny groups of internet trolls who are just looking for the attention.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jul 21, 2023 20:29:05 GMT 1
I think they are pitted as the battle of the sexes. If it hasn't been outright stated by now it's ought to be, and not just for the colour schemes of the movies but who the directors are and who's likely to get into it over the internet over which one gets the support.
The gender wars vibe struck me the moment I learned Barbenheimer was a thing. My guess is discourse will evolve into some version of people are interested in *whichever one wins the box office open* after all. Normally I don't care about box office and viewings because I think they're more scoreboard arguments than anything, but on occasion a surge into one film or type of film over another says a lot about what the public is hungry for, so in this case it could mean anything from public thirsting for anything from historical epic to fourth-wall breaking meta to Christopher Nolan to female led with female director.
Oddly enough I'd make the case Oppenheimer could also be a story about creation and nurturing, and the omnipresent debate about the nuclear deterrent would be the argument that the bomb was intended as an instrument of peace. I'm expecting to get as much from the story because it seems like the logic, which has played out in numerous stories before, is the purpose of these weapons is the threat of mutually assured destruction, and that the atomic bomb was this complicated preamble to lasting peace.
I'm half expecting to learn what truth there is or isn't to this theory but my impression is Oppenheimer was never thirsty for murder and body counts, thus the complicated legacy and psychology of the bomb.
But yes even as a base level this movie looks like it's black vs pink, like the two halves of Bret the Hitman Hart's wrestling outfit going to war with each other.
I appreciate your perspective on the matter, AQUA CAT! . It's interesting to see how different people interpret the same situation. I hadn't noticed any overt enmity between the sexes online, but I did see the term "Barbenheimer" trending. I initially thought it was a symbol of unity between audiences and genders, a playful mashup of two very different films. Your take on "Oppenheimer" as a story of creation and nurturing is intriguing and would certainly require a very open mind. Most people, I believe, would see Oppenheimer's work as largely destructive, given the devastating impact of the atomic bomb. I remember writing a paper on Oppenheimer in high school, of which I recall almost no details, but somehow managed to get a B+. That said, I do remember that Oppenheimer was a theoretician, and it's likely he only understood his invention in an abstract way until he saw it unleashed in the real world. The "Barbenheimer" phenomenon and the potential battle of the sexes it represents is an interesting lens through which to view these films. I agree that the box office results could reflect public sentiment and what people are currently interested in. The color scheme comparison you made between the films and Bret the Hitman Hart's wrestling outfit gave me a chuckle. 🤣 When I saw Barbenheimer trending my first thought was Oppenbie must be taken. Sounds like you remembered the most important part of that paper too.
Normally I'm not too interested in biopics but this one's slightly different. I also like idea of Oppenheimer being a theoretician with a detached sense of what his invention would accomplish when put to use. There's a theory v practice duality in there. It'll be a lot of heavy lifting for any actor because Oppenheimer didn't just invent the thing, but he was tasked (or tasked himself) with shouldering the burden of his invention perhaps so no one else would have to. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, and this crown has got to be one of the heaviest there ever was. I'm not normally interested in biopics of historical figures but Oppenheimer strikes me as particularly psychologically ticklish and uniquely conflicted.
So far both films are getting good feedback.
I like Bret Hart and his outfits as well. The pink and black attack!
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Post by Merv on Jul 21, 2023 20:47:42 GMT 1
I appreciate your perspective on the matter, AQUA CAT! . It's interesting to see how different people interpret the same situation. I hadn't noticed any overt enmity between the sexes online, but I did see the term "Barbenheimer" trending. I initially thought it was a symbol of unity between audiences and genders, a playful mashup of two very different films. Your take on "Oppenheimer" as a story of creation and nurturing is intriguing and would certainly require a very open mind. Most people, I believe, would see Oppenheimer's work as largely destructive, given the devastating impact of the atomic bomb. I remember writing a paper on Oppenheimer in high school, of which I recall almost no details, but somehow managed to get a B+. That said, I do remember that Oppenheimer was a theoretician, and it's likely he only understood his invention in an abstract way until he saw it unleashed in the real world. The "Barbenheimer" phenomenon and the potential battle of the sexes it represents is an interesting lens through which to view these films. I agree that the box office results could reflect public sentiment and what people are currently interested in. The color scheme comparison you made between the films and Bret the Hitman Hart's wrestling outfit gave me a chuckle. 🤣 When I saw Barbenheimer trending my first thought was Oppenbie must be taken. Sounds like you remembered the most important part of that paper too.
Normally I'm not too interested in biopics but this one's slightly different. I also like idea of Oppenheimer being a theoretician with a detached sense of what his invention would accomplish when put to use. There's a theory v practice duality in there. It'll be a lot of heavy lifting for any actor because Oppenheimer didn't just invent the thing, but he was tasked (or tasked himself) with shouldering the burden of his invention perhaps so no one else would have to. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, and this crown has got to be one of the heaviest there ever was. I'm not normally interested in biopics of historical figures but Oppenheimer strikes me as particularly psychologically ticklish and uniquely conflicted.
So far both films are getting good feedback. I like Bret Hart and his outfits as well. The pink and black attack!
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jul 22, 2023 1:52:09 GMT 1
It's amazing how even with something like 'Barbenheimer', that unites these movies (and has been promoting seeing *both*), there's still those driving division between the two. I guess some just like that sort of thing. Those people are so few as to be completely insignificant. We really give way too much credit to tiny groups of internet trolls who are just looking for the attention.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jul 22, 2023 7:45:49 GMT 1
I thought it was ok. I definitely felt the duration of the movie. {Spoiler}Not really sure it needed the drama reveal-a bit out of left field
Although I havent read American Prometheus. Was Albert even needed? Cool cast though Heard there were sound issues again ie people not making out some of the conversations clearly. If that happened to me, then it was a bit out of boredom more than anything else lol I liked it more than Dunkirk and Tenet though Murphy and RDJ were great. Pugh and Blunt too
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jul 22, 2023 7:52:25 GMT 1
I appreciate your perspective on the matter, AQUA CAT! . It's interesting to see how different people interpret the same situation. I hadn't noticed any overt enmity between the sexes online, but I did see the term "Barbenheimer" trending. I initially thought it was a symbol of unity between audiences and genders, a playful mashup of two very different films. Your take on "Oppenheimer" as a story of creation and nurturing is intriguing and would certainly require a very open mind. Most people, I believe, would see Oppenheimer's work as largely destructive, given the devastating impact of the atomic bomb. I remember writing a paper on Oppenheimer in high school, of which I recall almost no details, but somehow managed to get a B+. That said, I do remember that Oppenheimer was a theoretician, and it's likely he only understood his invention in an abstract way until he saw it unleashed in the real world. The "Barbenheimer" phenomenon and the potential battle of the sexes it represents is an interesting lens through which to view these films. I agree that the box office results could reflect public sentiment and what people are currently interested in. The color scheme comparison you made between the films and Bret the Hitman Hart's wrestling outfit gave me a chuckle. 🤣 When I saw Barbenheimer trending my first thought was Oppenbie must be taken. Sounds like you remembered the most important part of that paper too.
Normally I'm not too interested in biopics but this one's slightly different. I also like idea of Oppenheimer being a theoretician with a detached sense of what his invention would accomplish when put to use. There's a theory v practice duality in there. It'll be a lot of heavy lifting for any actor because Oppenheimer didn't just invent the thing, but he was tasked (or tasked himself) with shouldering the burden of his invention perhaps so no one else would have to. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, and this crown has got to be one of the heaviest there ever was. I'm not normally interested in biopics of historical figures but Oppenheimer strikes me as particularly psychologically ticklish and uniquely conflicted.
So far both films are getting good feedback.
I like Bret Hart and his outfits as well. The pink and black attack! What about Napoleon re biopics. Are you interested in seeing that?
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Post by Merv on Jul 22, 2023 13:50:41 GMT 1
When I saw Barbenheimer trending my first thought was Oppenbie must be taken. Sounds like you remembered the most important part of that paper too.
Normally I'm not too interested in biopics but this one's slightly different. I also like idea of Oppenheimer being a theoretician with a detached sense of what his invention would accomplish when put to use. There's a theory v practice duality in there. It'll be a lot of heavy lifting for any actor because Oppenheimer didn't just invent the thing, but he was tasked (or tasked himself) with shouldering the burden of his invention perhaps so no one else would have to. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, and this crown has got to be one of the heaviest there ever was. I'm not normally interested in biopics of historical figures but Oppenheimer strikes me as particularly psychologically ticklish and uniquely conflicted.
So far both films are getting good feedback. I like Bret Hart and his outfits as well. The pink and black attack! What about Napoleon re biopics. Are you interested in seeing that?
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jul 22, 2023 17:54:27 GMT 1
When I saw Barbenheimer trending my first thought was Oppenbie must be taken. Sounds like you remembered the most important part of that paper too.
Normally I'm not too interested in biopics but this one's slightly different. I also like idea of Oppenheimer being a theoretician with a detached sense of what his invention would accomplish when put to use. There's a theory v practice duality in there. It'll be a lot of heavy lifting for any actor because Oppenheimer didn't just invent the thing, but he was tasked (or tasked himself) with shouldering the burden of his invention perhaps so no one else would have to. Heavy is the head that wears the crown, and this crown has got to be one of the heaviest there ever was. I'm not normally interested in biopics of historical figures but Oppenheimer strikes me as particularly psychologically ticklish and uniquely conflicted.
So far both films are getting good feedback.
I like Bret Hart and his outfits as well. The pink and black attack! What about Napoleon re biopics. Are you interested in seeing that? Maybe. Depends who's directing. I mean I expect to get more out of a Oppenheimer flick done by Nolan than I would if it were done by Spielberg. If Spielberg did it the theater would probably be clapping by the end. I'm expecting the narrative to be less rosy and romantic about Oppenheimer because Christopher Nolan and a chunk of the cast are British, so it's less likely to have people saluting it like it's the flag by the end.
It's the same with Napoleon. I'm sometimes skeptical of biopics and based on true story movies (especially of historical significance) because I don't like them being my education. That's my logic. I'd like to know so I'm not letting movies fill in the blanks of history for me, but if it's got a director I like then yeah I'd watch Napoleon. You?
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jul 22, 2023 18:33:03 GMT 1
I thought it was ok. I definitely felt the duration of the movie. {Spoiler}Not really sure it needed the drama reveal-a bit out of left field
Although I havent read American Prometheus. Was Albert even needed? Cool cast though Heard there were sound issues again ie people not making out some of the conversations clearly. If that happened to me, then it was a bit out of boredom more than anything else lol I liked it more than Dunkirk and Tenet though Murphy and RDJ were great. Pugh and Blunt too Boredom at a Nolan film. Whoever could have guessed that? Apart from me, that is.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 22, 2023 19:54:36 GMT 1
I loved the movie. Absolutely my kind of film. Downey jr. delivers a performence of a lifetime
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jul 22, 2023 19:55:29 GMT 1
What about Napoleon re biopics. Are you interested in seeing that? Napoleonic rap battle!
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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 23, 2023 4:25:53 GMT 1
The score....Fantastic.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jul 23, 2023 4:42:26 GMT 1
What about Napoleon re biopics. Are you interested in seeing that? Maybe. Depends who's directing. I mean I expect to get more out of a Oppenheimer flick done by Nolan than I would if it were done by Spielberg. If Spielberg did it the theater would probably be clapping by the end. I'm expecting the narrative to be less rosy and romantic about Oppenheimer because Christopher Nolan and a chunk of the cast are British, so it's less likely to have people saluting it like it's the flag by the end.
It's the same with Napoleon. I'm sometimes skeptical of biopics and based on true story movies (especially of historical significance) because I don't like them being my education. That's my logic. I'd like to know so I'm not letting movies fill in the blanks of history for me, but if it's got a director I like then yeah I'd watch Napoleon. You?
50/50 for me. I dont have anything against them but it's not like theyre my go-to films either. What if Ridley Scott directed a Napoleon film?
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jul 23, 2023 4:44:17 GMT 1
I thought it was ok. I definitely felt the duration of the movie. {Spoiler}Not really sure it needed the drama reveal-a bit out of left field
Although I havent read American Prometheus. Was Albert even needed? Cool cast though Heard there were sound issues again ie people not making out some of the conversations clearly. If that happened to me, then it was a bit out of boredom more than anything else lol I liked it more than Dunkirk and Tenet though Murphy and RDJ were great. Pugh and Blunt too Boredom at a Nolan film. Whoever could have guessed that? Apart from me, that is. Yeah but you dont really count lol. Dont you hate Nolan?
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jul 23, 2023 6:16:08 GMT 1
Maybe. Depends who's directing. I mean I expect to get more out of a Oppenheimer flick done by Nolan than I would if it were done by Spielberg. If Spielberg did it the theater would probably be clapping by the end. I'm expecting the narrative to be less rosy and romantic about Oppenheimer because Christopher Nolan and a chunk of the cast are British, so it's less likely to have people saluting it like it's the flag by the end.
It's the same with Napoleon. I'm sometimes skeptical of biopics and based on true story movies (especially of historical significance) because I don't like them being my education. That's my logic. I'd like to know so I'm not letting movies fill in the blanks of history for me, but if it's got a director I like then yeah I'd watch Napoleon. You?
50/50 for me. I dont have anything against them but it's not like theyre my go-to films either. What if Ridley Scott directed a Napoleon film? Yeah I'd turn out for Ridley Scott.
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Post by ])-Kyle "Wild Child" Gibney-([ on Jul 23, 2023 6:29:17 GMT 1
50/50 for me. I dont have anything against them but it's not like theyre my go-to films either. What if Ridley Scott directed a Napoleon film? Yeah I'd turn out for Ridley Scott. Well, you're in luck
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jul 23, 2023 19:34:48 GMT 1
Yeah I'd turn out for Ridley Scott. Well, you're in luck Very funny .
Drink it in, that probably couldn't have gone more smoothly. That setup worked perfectly.
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Post by AQUA RAPTOR! on Jul 23, 2023 20:50:24 GMT 1
Boredom at a Nolan film. Whoever could have guessed that? Apart from me, that is. Yeah but you dont really count lol. Dont you hate Nolan? It's not fault he makes every film the exact same way.
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