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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 9:11:39 GMT 1
After watching Agents of Shield, I’m slowly plowing through some the Marvel TV shows. I finished Agent Carter and the first two seasons of Daredevil.
AoS, overall it’s an A-, though overlong. I am pretty satisfied with Carter as it works well as a backstory to present MCU narrative.
Daredevil, like Agents of Shield, has to exist in the same time frame as the MCU and that is a problem. Shield implicitly gets around it, by shifting into a number of alternate and future realities, so that by the end of the series, the viewer isn’t sure if they are still in the original timeline that kicks off with Coulson recovering from Loki’s stab through the heart.
Daredevil is set just after the Battle of New York also. That the city is eat up with crime syndicates, complicit industrialists, and government corruption and this is causing angry vigilante antiheroes to emerge and who use extraordinary powers to fight crime, is never connected to extreme existential threat the alien invasion should be causing the people of New York. At least not in seasons one and two.
So, watching this series from the post-Endgame perspective, listening to Kingpin and Murdock talk about “their city” lacks the desperation they should be feeling as both their worlds are in the process of being rendered absurdly quaint in the face of the coming of Thanos and the state of existence we witness happening in Midtown Manhattan inside Stark HQ.
The Chitauri invasion alone should be addressed considering Murdock is a devout Catholic going through a spiritual crisis involving the nature of good and evil. In his confessions to his priest he doesn’t seem aware that greater powers than Satan or Jesus do certainly exist in his world and is breathing down humanity’s neck.
Despite the grittiness of the real NYC locations and great R-rated action scenes, the intermittent romances are rather flat. Charlie Cox is dynamic in his Daredevil costume, but not so with it off. Vincent D’Onofrio is spot on fantastic as Kingpin with his cross between Charles Foster Kane and John Houston.
The whole Punisher’s violence makes me ill to watch. I had to fast forward a few scenes. I will not be watching his series unless someone can talk me into it.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 18, 2021 17:33:11 GMT 1
The Chitauri invasion is over and life goes on. They don't know about Thanos and don't care about what goes on in Starke Tower because the Avengers are not focused on local crime. The existence of aliens would not automatically change someone's religious beliefs.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Aug 18, 2021 17:57:01 GMT 1
New Yorkers don't believe in existential threats... extreme or otherwise.
It is flat-out weird that a full-scale alien invasion is never mentioned in the series, but even if it were addressed, you're likely not taking Wilson and Matt's character traits into account.
The Kingpin would be more opportunistic and pragmatic regarding discovering the existence of aliens and not overly contemplative about it. Although experiencing a crisis of faith, Matt would surely become even more resolute in his belief in God/the devil and good and evil. Neither would descend into existential panic or academic reflection. They are both men of action.
I don't think "Matt" is meant to be "dynamic" so much as he is intended to be thoughtful and committed. He's dynamic as Daredevil because Daredevil is a fighter with surgical skill and precision. Punching someone in the face is dynamic; arguing a case in court could be as well, but it wouldn't be as dynamic as after-dark heroics (unless you're Tom Cruise).
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 19, 2021 4:51:45 GMT 1
I definitely still enjoy these as canon.
I will say I actually prefer that they aren’t dealing with the invasions or talking about them. I feel our world has its own corners where people are having to deal with completely separate matters despite other major events going on around them, and for me it makes the word feel smaller to think that everybody is involved with the same issue, no matter how big that issue is. So I like that they recognize theyre place is with the street level issues.
Oh boy if you thought the Punisher violence was bad here, season 1 of his series will make you vomit. It is absolutely brutal at times. Although I will say it is close to my favorite season on Netflix. It’s like Punisher Season 1, Jessica Season 1, and basically anything Daredevil. Those are tops.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 8:22:37 GMT 1
I definitely still enjoy these as canon. I will say I actually prefer that they aren’t dealing with the invasions or talking about them. I feel our world has its own corners where people are having to deal with completely separate matters despite other major events going on around them, and for me it makes the word feel smaller to think that everybody is involved with the same issue, no matter how big that issue is. So I like that they recognize theyre place is with the street level issues. Oh boy if you thought the Punisher violence was bad here, season 1 of his series will make you vomit. It is absolutely brutal at times. Although I will say it is close to my favorite season on Netflix. It’s like Punisher Season 1, Jessica Season 1, and basically anything Daredevil. Those are tops. True, we can also assume that they dealt with that stuff off-screen or in the period between the film and the series. Would also be kind of weird for DD to discuss aliens as a local hero, it's not that kind of a show
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 8:36:02 GMT 1
After watching Agents of Shield, I’m slowly plowing through some the Marvel TV shows. I finished Agent Carter and the first two seasons of Daredevil. AoS, overall it’s an A-, though overlong. I am pretty satisfied with Carter as it works well as a backstory to present MCU narrative. Daredevil, like Agents of Shield, has to exist in the same time frame as the MCU and that is a problem. Shield implicitly gets around it, by shifting into a number of alternate and future realities, so that by the end of the series, the viewer isn’t sure if they are still in the original timeline that kicks off with Coulson recovering from Loki’s stab through the heart. Daredevil is set just after the Battle of New York also. That the city is eat up with crime syndicates, complicit industrialists, and government corruption and this is causing angry vigilante antiheroes to emerge and who use extraordinary powers to fight crime, is never connected to extreme existential threat the alien invasion should be causing the people of New York. At least not in seasons one and two. So, watching this series from the post-Endgame perspective, listening to Kingpin and Murdock talk about “their city” lacks the desperation they should be feeling as both their worlds are in the process of being rendered absurdly quaint in the face of the coming of Thanos and the state of existence we witness happening in Midtown Manhattan inside Stark HQ. The Chitauri invasion alone should be addressed considering Murdock is a devout Catholic going through a spiritual crisis involving the nature of good and evil. In his confessions to his priest he doesn’t seem aware that greater powers than Satan or Jesus do certainly exist in his world and is breathing down humanity’s neck. Despite the grittiness of the real NYC locations and great R-rated action scenes, the intermittent romances are rather flat. Charlie Cox is dynamic in his Daredevil costume, but not so with it off. Vincent D’Onofrio is spot on fantastic as Kingpin with his cross between Charles Foster Kane and John Houston. The whole Punisher’s violence makes me ill to watch. I had to fast forward a few scenes. I will not be watching his series unless someone can talk me into it. Oh they are definitely all linked. I even provided evidence in another thread. Also the show does mention the battle of NY right? A bit fuzzy on the deets. Although now that I think about it, were the netflix shows ever referenced in the movies or by Shield? Kingpin was phenomenal. One small criticism-I just didnt like the way he spoke, specifically the pauses I think? Made it seem like he had trouble speaking. DDS3 was a bit underwhelming for me but I wont say more for obvious reasons I would skip Punisher season 2. I would definitely recommend the other season though. It's been so long so I cant really sell it right now Speak of the devil, pun intended, AQUA EDGE! recently mentioned DD and how we should make a thread about the show
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 8:58:10 GMT 1
After watching Agents of Shield, I’m slowly plowing through some the Marvel TV shows. I finished Agent Carter and the first two seasons of Daredevil. AoS, overall it’s an A-, though overlong. I am pretty satisfied with Carter as it works well as a backstory to present MCU narrative. Daredevil, like Agents of Shield, has to exist in the same time frame as the MCU and that is a problem. Shield implicitly gets around it, by shifting into a number of alternate and future realities, so that by the end of the series, the viewer isn’t sure if they are still in the original timeline that kicks off with Coulson recovering from Loki’s stab through the heart. Daredevil is set just after the Battle of New York also. That the city is eat up with crime syndicates, complicit industrialists, and government corruption and this is causing angry vigilante antiheroes to emerge and who use extraordinary powers to fight crime, is never connected to extreme existential threat the alien invasion should be causing the people of New York. At least not in seasons one and two. So, watching this series from the post-Endgame perspective, listening to Kingpin and Murdock talk about “their city” lacks the desperation they should be feeling as both their worlds are in the process of being rendered absurdly quaint in the face of the coming of Thanos and the state of existence we witness happening in Midtown Manhattan inside Stark HQ. The Chitauri invasion alone should be addressed considering Murdock is a devout Catholic going through a spiritual crisis involving the nature of good and evil. In his confessions to his priest he doesn’t seem aware that greater powers than Satan or Jesus do certainly exist in his world and is breathing down humanity’s neck. Despite the grittiness of the real NYC locations and great R-rated action scenes, the intermittent romances are rather flat. Charlie Cox is dynamic in his Daredevil costume, but not so with it off. Vincent D’Onofrio is spot on fantastic as Kingpin with his cross between Charles Foster Kane and John Houston. The whole Punisher’s violence makes me ill to watch. I had to fast forward a few scenes. I will not be watching his series unless someone can talk me into it. Oh they are definitely all linked. I even provided evidence in another thread. Also the show does mention the battle of NY right? A bit fuzzy on the deets. Although now that I think about it, were the netflix shows ever referenced in the movies or by Shield? Kingpin was phenomenal. One small criticism-I just didnt like the way he spoke, specifically the pauses I think? Made it seem like he had trouble speaking. DDS3 was a bit underwhelming for me but I wont say more for obvious reasons I would skip Punisher season 2. I would definitely recommend the other season though. It's been so long so I cant really sell it right now Speak of the devil, pun intended, AQUA EDGE! recently mentioned DD and how we should make a thread about the show The events are mentioned, but not the post traumatic stress any extraterrestrial invasion, even if thwarted, should have on people…especially people living a few blocks from the action. We see plenty of New York skylines, but if DD takes place only a few years after the battle, then where are the damaged buildings? And if a masked vigilante can take down an army of ninja zombies, I’d think Nick Fury and/or Hydra would be interested. Maybe they are busy rounding up inhumans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 9:20:52 GMT 1
The Chitauri invasion is over and life goes on. They don't know about Thanos and don't care about what goes on in Starke Tower because the Avengers are not focused on local crime. The existence of aliens would not automatically change someone's religious beliefs. Well, it is a missed opportunity to explore how the stress of not only a terrifying alien invasion, but nearly being nuked, is affecting the regular folks on the streets. That would explain criminal freak outs and costumed hero fad. (Sorta not unlike how some folks are behaving now.) True, life continues in the city and this includes its criminal life; and events fade, except when Ironman takes off from Stark and reminds everybody who saved their ass. I wonder what the Internet chatter is like. And the knowledge that god-like beings exist could damage a person’s traditional faith, such as Matt’s, in a Jesus as the only Son of the only God. Like how long before he figures out Jesus, if he existed 2000 years who arose from the dead, is little different from Thor or Loki.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 19, 2021 17:36:38 GMT 1
I definitely still enjoy these as canon. I will say I actually prefer that they aren’t dealing with the invasions or talking about them. I feel our world has its own corners where people are having to deal with completely separate matters despite other major events going on around them, and for me it makes the word feel smaller to think that everybody is involved with the same issue, no matter how big that issue is. So I like that they recognize theyre place is with the street level issues. Oh boy if you thought the Punisher violence was bad here, season 1 of his series will make you vomit. It is absolutely brutal at times. Although I will say it is close to my favorite season on Netflix. It’s like Punisher Season 1, Jessica Season 1, and basically anything Daredevil. Those are tops. True, we can also assume that they dealt with that stuff off-screen or in the period between the film and the series. Would also be kind of weird for DD to discuss aliens as a local hero, it's not that kind of a show Yeah thats what I’m talking about. We aren’t watching every second of these peoples lives. I really don’t know why people think it’s absolutely necessary for even major events to be mentioned in the contest of another story. We’re only seeing them for a few hours over days and weeks during the course of a show. We’re only watching the events that relate to the story being told. Conversations that have to do with the Alien Invasion wouldn't make the show because they’ve got nothing to do with the story.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 19, 2021 19:57:02 GMT 1
True, we can also assume that they dealt with that stuff off-screen or in the period between the film and the series. Would also be kind of weird for DD to discuss aliens as a local hero, it's not that kind of a show Yeah thats what I’m talking about. We aren’t watching every second of these peoples lives. I really don’t know why people think it’s absolutely necessary for even major events to be mentioned in the contest of another story. We’re only seeing them for a few hours over days and weeks during the course of a show. We’re only watching the events that relate to the story being told. Conversations that have to do with the Alien Invasion wouldn't make the show because they’ve got nothing to do with the story. I agree. There's only so much stuff you can put into one show. Decisions have to made as to what the show is about otherwise it decends into navel gazing.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Aug 19, 2021 20:29:59 GMT 1
I don't know I feel like a Alien invasion would bring a crisis of faith for some religious people.
I grew up in a very religious home and I once asked my grandfather if he believed in the possibility of Alien life outside of our solar system and he would always shut it down and tell me that God only created human life. "There's no such thing as Aliens! That's just Hollywood bullshit!" Is what he said to me once.
I've always wondered how he would react to an Alien invasion.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 19, 2021 21:22:39 GMT 1
Yeah thats what I’m talking about. We aren’t watching every second of these peoples lives. I really don’t know why people think it’s absolutely necessary for even major events to be mentioned in the contest of another story. We’re only seeing them for a few hours over days and weeks during the course of a show. We’re only watching the events that relate to the story being told. Conversations that have to do with the Alien Invasion wouldn't make the show because they’ve got nothing to do with the story. I agree. There's only so much stuff you can put into one show. Decisions have to made as to what the show is about otherwise it decends into navel gazing. Right. There’s a real question of, “When and why would he be having a conversation about the invasion that is in any way relevant to the story being told.” If there’s no real organic purpose to doing it, then you don’t do it. Real people don’t just start conversations about every possible important thing going on, every chance they get. It’s just not natural.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 3:00:38 GMT 1
My boyfriend is awesome! lmao
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 6:56:36 GMT 1
I don't know I feel like a Alien invasion would bring a crisis of faith for some religious people. I grew up in a very religious home and I once asked my grandfather if he believed in the possibility of Alien life outside of our solar system and he would always shut it down and tell me that God only created human life. "There's no such thing as Aliens! That's just Hollywood bullshit!" Is what he said to me once. I've always wondered how he would react to an Alien invasion. In this day and age, thats kind of embarrassing. No offense to anyone here. The probability of other, advanced life forms or at least the same as us technologically is unquestionable. Even if it's just one ET species that made it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 19:04:23 GMT 1
I completed the third season of Daredevil and can see why Netflix canceled the series.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 11:05:34 GMT 1
I completed the third season of Daredevil and can see why Netflix canceled the series. Well, they canceled all of the Marvel ones. Netflix had a disagreement with Disney/Marvel I just didnt like we had to deal with Fisk again so soon and this time cops were replaced with fed ones...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2021 14:57:51 GMT 1
I completed the third season of Daredevil and can see why Netflix canceled the series. Well, they canceled all of the Marvel ones. Netflix had a disagreement with Disney/Marvel I just didnt like we had to deal with Fisk again so soon and this time cops were replaced with fed ones... I’m being tongue in cheek. The last season is bad.
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