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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 5, 2021 14:44:42 GMT 1
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Post by maximura on Jul 5, 2021 15:47:36 GMT 1
That's just what they want you to think. I've yet to see anything definitively exclude them and will continue to see them as active until such a thing occurs. I'll take exhuming Coulson's body, Sif saying she's not been to Earth since Thor, maybe Agents of Shield being on TV in the background, but I'm going to need something to get off that train.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 5, 2021 17:44:59 GMT 1
That's just what they want you to think. I've yet to see anything definitively exclude them and will continue to see them as active until such a thing occurs. I'll take exhuming Coulson's body, Sif saying she's not been to Earth since Thor, maybe Agents of Shield being on TV in the background, but I'm going to need something to get off that train. Fair enough but it confirms what I have always believed.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2021 18:06:21 GMT 1
That’s awesome. I never considered them canon and was glad that they never acknowledged Couslon’s ridiculous resurrection in the movies.
I wonder why (if the rumors are true) they are using Charlie Cocks in No Way Home then. That cameo must be fake news.
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jul 5, 2021 21:52:45 GMT 1
That's so confusing, borderline irritating.
The actor who played Jarvis in Agent Carter showed up as himself as Jarvis in Avengers: Endgame, not to mention the movie references salt and peppered into the Netflix shows. There is and was enough in there to make the connection, so to turn around and say they're not the same universe is, in my opinion, a retroactive discontinuity.
The MCU Netflix shows (calling them that is a hard habit to break, since I've been calling them that for years) have their own aesthetic distinct and different enough that their references to the larger world could be explained as something else. Jessica Jones referencing the green dude in New York, her mother being sent to the raft, etc. What raft? Do both worlds have their own unique prison for powered individuals called the Raft? Apparently the answer is maybe.
The connections are just slightly too big enough for me to have felt I imagined them all along. Those jerks, playing with our realities.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 6, 2021 3:30:29 GMT 1
Its fine, but I’ll just point out, that we’re not only currently watching a show about variant timelines, but they’ve still yet to contract any of these shows, so whatever the official stance is, it’s all open to whatever you want it to be as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 6:05:57 GMT 1
Its fine, but I’ll just point out, that we’re not only currently watching a show about variant timelines, but they’ve still yet to contract any of these shows, so whatever the official stance is, it’s all open to whatever you want it to be as far as I’m concerned. But Coulson is definitely dead.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 6, 2021 9:47:52 GMT 1
Its fine, but I’ll just point out, that we’re not only currently watching a show about variant timelines, but they’ve still yet to contract any of these shows, so whatever the official stance is, it’s all open to whatever you want it to be as far as I’m concerned. But Coulson is definitely dead. Of course. He died in season 6 of Agents of Shield :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 9:57:10 GMT 1
This is highly offensive! Coulson was in both the Avengers and Captain Marvel movies so there na na na na na you cant touch me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 18:22:57 GMT 1
But Coulson is definitely dead. Of course. He died in season 6 of Agents of Shield :-) #NotCanon
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 6, 2021 19:20:10 GMT 1
Of course. He died in season 6 of Agents of Shield :-) #NotCanon #headcanoncounts ;-)
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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 6, 2021 19:44:27 GMT 1
#NotCanon #headcanoncounts ;-) Its fine of people have it be canon in their head. As long as they know Officially it isnt MCU canon And may I add Thank God
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 20:32:46 GMT 1
Its fine of people have it be canon in their head. As long as they know Officially it isnt MCU canon And may I add Thank God This!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 7, 2021 1:45:37 GMT 1
Its fine of people have it be canon in their head. As long as they know Officially it isnt MCU canon And may I add Thank God I don’t mean this in a mean way, but I legit give zero shits what’s official.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2021 9:53:12 GMT 1
I would also like to add Daniel Sousa appeared in Shield and we all know which show he came from and how important Peggy is to Cap in Endgame. Yeah that just happened. BOOM
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 7, 2021 17:30:37 GMT 1
Same actors playing same characters in movies and shows with the same logo on them. It's one universe until they come out and say we are retconning this and it is not cannon anymore.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 7, 2021 18:14:42 GMT 1
It's immaterial to me whether the events of the Marvel Studios movies and streaming shows are taking place in the same universe as the Netflix Marvel shows.
I hope Kevin is intelligent and savvy enough to cherry-pick the best actors and scenarios from the Netflix universe and fully incorporate them into the MCU. With Charlies Cox's inclusion in No Way Home and She-Hulk, it appears that the plan is working perfectly. Muahaha!
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Jul 7, 2021 20:13:27 GMT 1
Its fine, but I’ll just point out, that we’re not only currently watching a show about variant timelines, but they’ve still yet to contract any of these shows, so whatever the official stance is, it’s all open to whatever you want it to be as far as I’m concerned. But Coulson is definitely dead. He better be. I mourned his ass.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 9, 2021 20:10:35 GMT 1
Same actors playing same characters in movies and shows with the same logo on them. It's one universe until they come out and say we are retconning this and it is not cannon anymore. This is where I’m at. If they never contradict it, then I don’t see the point of being eager to dismiss it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 9, 2021 20:12:46 GMT 1
It's immaterial to me whether the events of the Marvel Studios movies and streaming shows are taking place in the same universe as the Netflix Marvel shows. I hope Kevin is intelligent and savvy enough to cherry-pick the best actors and scenarios from the Netflix universe and fully incorporate them into the MCU. With Charlies Cox's inclusion in No Way Home and She-Hulk, it appears that the plan is working perfectly. Muahaha! Much like Taylor’s comment, this is where I’m at. I’ve contended the whole time that there’s nothing about the shows that they’d need a reboot for. They’ve got a solid origin told already and they’ve got complete freedom to start a few years later and go in any direction they want. I can’t honestly see what a reboot accomplishes.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 10, 2021 5:42:11 GMT 1
It's immaterial to me whether the events of the Marvel Studios movies and streaming shows are taking place in the same universe as the Netflix Marvel shows. I hope Kevin is intelligent and savvy enough to cherry-pick the best actors and scenarios from the Netflix universe and fully incorporate them into the MCU. With Charlies Cox's inclusion in No Way Home and She-Hulk, it appears that the plan is working perfectly. Muahaha! Much like Taylor’s comment, this is where I’m at. I’ve contended the whole time that there’s nothing about the shows that they’d need a reboot for. They’ve got a solid origin told already and they’ve got complete freedom to start a few years later and go in any direction they want. I can’t honestly see what a reboot accomplishes. A reboot doesn't accomplish anything, but realistically, I think we're dealing with some big egos at Marvel - Kevin's being the biggest. If the trades have it right, Kevin just doesn't want to fully incorporate Netflix into the MCU fold because he never liked Joseph Loeb and doesn't care to use his work because he wrongfully believes it's an all-or-nothing scenario. The thing is, he can just take what was good and disregard whatever he doesn't like. It's pretty straightforward if you think about it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 10, 2021 6:24:59 GMT 1
Much like Taylor’s comment, this is where I’m at. I’ve contended the whole time that there’s nothing about the shows that they’d need a reboot for. They’ve got a solid origin told already and they’ve got complete freedom to start a few years later and go in any direction they want. I can’t honestly see what a reboot accomplishes. A reboot doesn't accomplish anything, but realistically, I think we're dealing with some big egos at Marvel - Kevin's being the biggest. If the trades have it right, Kevin just doesn't want to fully incorporate Netflix into the MCU fold because he never liked Joseph Loeb and doesn't care to use his work because he wrongfully believes it's an all-or-nothing scenario. The thing is, he can just take what was good and disregard whatever he doesn't like. It's pretty straightforward if you think about it. Yeah and that fits my suggestion of just starting with them as established characters. They don’t need to even acknowledge the shows. Just let them stand as is and move on in whatever way he likes. It’s been years, they can have any updated skill sets and costumes and skill sets they want.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 7:56:05 GMT 1
Much like Taylor’s comment, this is where I’m at. I’ve contended the whole time that there’s nothing about the shows that they’d need a reboot for. They’ve got a solid origin told already and they’ve got complete freedom to start a few years later and go in any direction they want. I can’t honestly see what a reboot accomplishes. A reboot doesn't accomplish anything, but realistically, I think we're dealing with some big egos at Marvel - Kevin's being the biggest. If the trades have it right, Kevin just doesn't want to fully incorporate Netflix into the MCU fold because he never liked Joseph Loeb and doesn't care to use his work because he wrongfully believes it's an all-or-nothing scenario. The thing is, he can just take what was good and disregard whatever he doesn't like. It's pretty straightforward if you think about it.
I mean thats literally what Disney did with Star Wars. Just because you dont like someone doesnt mean you cant appreciate their work and incorporate some of it. There are quite a few clues that it's all part of the wider mcu anyway. I just thought of another one, Lady Sif. Funnily enough, the fake one was in Loki while the real one actually appeared on Shield It would be so awesome to see Daisy in any of the future live-action MCU projects
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 8:57:59 GMT 1
That's just what they want you to think. I've yet to see anything definitively exclude them and will continue to see them as active until such a thing occurs. I'll take exhuming Coulson's body, Sif saying she's not been to Earth since Thor, maybe Agents of Shield being on TV in the background, but I'm going to need something to get off that train. The only previous, non-Disney TV shows I've seen are Agents of Shield and some of Agent Carter and Daredevil. I can't watch much of it as it causes burnout. After all, there are not that many superhero tropes and they just get repeated with new characters. Anyhow, I think Shield split off into its own time-verse with Coulson being resurrected, whereas in the MCU, he is dead. Of course, he can still show up as a visitor from another timeline. I suspect the "multiverse of madness" could be several timelines interweaving with each other causing havoc. And Sif did go to Midgard chasing down Lorelei where she meets Coulson in AoS.
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