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Post by Pluto on Sept 17, 2021 6:04:13 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 11:29:20 GMT 1
Are the numbers that important? I'm tired of being judged or graded on how much I like or dislike a particular movie.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 17, 2021 14:43:16 GMT 1
Are the numbers that important? I'm tired of being judged or graded on how much I like or dislike a particular movie. Unfortunately, they are pretty important, objectively speaking. That is to say, if you'd like to continue seeing more movies in this same genre, the financial performance of these movies is indeed essential. Whether or not the numbers are important to you is a matter of personal preference, of course. Some find their analysis engaging because we are in the midst of widespread and ongoing change in the media landscape. It's eerie that you mention being judged based on your personal preference, as I was just - only moments ago - reading this fascinating missive. Who knows, maybe CBMs are next. Hee hee hee...thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/arts-culture/546777-science-now-says-you-can-judge-people-by-their-taste
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 16:59:59 GMT 1
Right you are, Mr Mouse! Doing a one to one comparison to Black Widow is misguided at best. Black Widow’s second weekend was practically nonexistent. And it was always going to do better than Shang Chi given it’s star character and release date. Pirating cost the movie millions. And Shang Chi literally broke Labor Day records and could not have done better given the circumstances. And of course, you in your infinite wisdom chose to go theaters only for the duration. Why would you do that if it weren’t the obvious correct choice? Its simple. The MCU shills went out to the theater to see the movie on the big screen. But they, for the most part, went once because of the pandemic. Hardly any repeat viewings. Releasing the movie also on Premier Access secured Marvel/Disney for Black Widow an additional 125 million dollars. For Shang Chi it would probably have been more or less the same. Why? Because you can than have safe repeat viewings. I did it for Black Widow. Go theater and buy premier access. I would have done so again for Shang Chi. And I would not be the only one. There are markets where theaters are closed. Premier Access on Disney Plus would have made them a ton of money. In what world is it smart to leave a lot of money on the table? And pirating? Every movie that comes out in theaters is on pirate streaming sites the same day in high quality. That argument makes no sense. People that pirate will pirate anyway. People that are willing to pay will do so. See Black Widow's 125 million made on Disney Plus. Im fine if you dont like streaming services. But they exist and will only get bigger. Better use them to make money. That is the smart move from a business point of view. You’re making a few key errors here. 1) You cannot assume that the people who did premiere access with Widow did not go to the theaters this time. 2) Black Widow was pirated four times more than Shang Chi because of easy access to high quality versions 3) Black Widow would have done far better than it did in theaters if it were theaters only because of popularity of character and release date. The second weekend was non existent. You cannot compare it to Shang Chi one to one. It was always going to make more money. The question is how much. And we can’t know that now. Disney themselves have acknowledged this. And isn’t that really the bottom line? Disney basically ended this argument already by going theaters only for the duration. They did not do that to lose money. And I think they know their business better than us. We can agree to disagree here. But know that you guys are also disagreeing with Disney.
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 17, 2021 17:17:12 GMT 1
Its simple. The MCU shills went out to the theater to see the movie on the big screen. But they, for the most part, went once because of the pandemic. Hardly any repeat viewings. Releasing the movie also on Premier Access secured Marvel/Disney for Black Widow an additional 125 million dollars. For Shang Chi it would probably have been more or less the same. Why? Because you can than have safe repeat viewings. I did it for Black Widow. Go theater and buy premier access. I would have done so again for Shang Chi. And I would not be the only one. There are markets where theaters are closed. Premier Access on Disney Plus would have made them a ton of money. In what world is it smart to leave a lot of money on the table? And pirating? Every movie that comes out in theaters is on pirate streaming sites the same day in high quality. That argument makes no sense. People that pirate will pirate anyway. People that are willing to pay will do so. See Black Widow's 125 million made on Disney Plus. Im fine if you dont like streaming services. But they exist and will only get bigger. Better use them to make money. That is the smart move from a business point of view. You’re making a few key errors here. 1) You cannot assume that the people who did premiere access with Widow did not go to the theaters this time. 2) Black Widow was pirated four times more than Shang Chi because of easy access to high quality versions 3) Black Widow would have done far better than it did in theaters if it were theaters only because of popularity of character and release date. The second weekend was non existent. You cannot compare it to Shang Chi one to one. It was always going to make more money. The question is how much. And we can’t know that now. Disney themselves have acknowledged this. And isn’t that really the bottom line? Disney basically ended this argument already by going theaters only for the duration. They did not do that to lose money. And I think they know their business better than us. We can agree to disagree here. But know that you guys are also disagreeing with Disney. I didnt claim they didnt go theater. Quite the opposite. I claim Shang Chi's box office wouldnt be affected that much by a dual release. I think Disney made a mistake not doing a dual release for Shang Chi. But hey, lets agree to disagree. Overall I will see the movie anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 17:21:45 GMT 1
You’re making a few key errors here. 1) You cannot assume that the people who did premiere access with Widow did not go to the theaters this time. 2) Black Widow was pirated four times more than Shang Chi because of easy access to high quality versions 3) Black Widow would have done far better than it did in theaters if it were theaters only because of popularity of character and release date. The second weekend was non existent. You cannot compare it to Shang Chi one to one. It was always going to make more money. The question is how much. And we can’t know that now. Disney themselves have acknowledged this. And isn’t that really the bottom line? Disney basically ended this argument already by going theaters only for the duration. They did not do that to lose money. And I think they know their business better than us. We can agree to disagree here. But know that you guys are also disagreeing with Disney. I didnt claim they didnt go theater. Quite the opposite. I claim Shang Chi's box office wouldnt be affected that much by a dual release. I think Disney made a mistake not doing a dual release for Shang Chi. But hey, lets agree to disagree. Overall I will see the movie anyway. In any case, the Premiere Access option is off the table for the foreseeable future. So debating this further is probably unnecessary. Maybe you are right and Disney is losing money. But if so, it is money that they are willing to lose then. Which shows that they do value theaters and want to preserve them as the primary venue for their future films.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 17:23:09 GMT 1
Are the cartoon characters gone? Dang. I really wanted to meet Popeye.
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Post by Popeye on Sept 17, 2021 20:10:07 GMT 1
Are the cartoon characters gone? Dang. I really wanted to meet Popeye. I'm strong to the finich, 'cause I eats me spinach, I'm Popeye the sailor man!
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Post by Pluto on Sept 17, 2021 20:12:25 GMT 1
BARK! BARK! WOOF! WOOF!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 0:31:27 GMT 1
Are the cartoon characters gone? Dang. I really wanted to meet Popeye. I'm strong to the finich, 'cause I eats me spinach, I'm Popeye the sailor man! And I’m Ackbar the Sailor Man! But I eat plankton, so…
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 7:12:19 GMT 1
Are the numbers that important? I'm tired of being judged or graded on how much I like or dislike a particular movie. Unfortunately, they are pretty important, objectively speaking. That is to say, if you'd like to continue seeing more movies in this same genre, the financial performance of these movies is indeed essential. Whether or not the numbers are important to you is a matter of personal preference, of course. Some find their analysis engaging because we are in the midst of widespread and ongoing change in the media landscape. It's eerie that you mention being judged based on your personal preference, as I was just - only moments ago - reading this fascinating missive. Who knows, maybe CBMs are next. Hee hee hee...thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/arts-culture/546777-science-now-says-you-can-judge-people-by-their-tasteI understand, but why do people take such glee when the box office numbers are down on a reveal comic book movie? That one Nolan guy made Imdb2 comic movie board a miserable place. I happen to like Thor, The Dark World better than Ragnarok, but I'm afraid to say so, because I will go against the consensus that it sucks and no one will talk to me. I sense old fashion high school peer pressure sometimes and I never want to relive my high school days again.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 18, 2021 15:51:03 GMT 1
Unfortunately, they are pretty important, objectively speaking. That is to say, if you'd like to continue seeing more movies in this same genre, the financial performance of these movies is indeed essential. Whether or not the numbers are important to you is a matter of personal preference, of course. Some find their analysis engaging because we are in the midst of widespread and ongoing change in the media landscape. It's eerie that you mention being judged based on your personal preference, as I was just - only moments ago - reading this fascinating missive. Who knows, maybe CBMs are next. Hee hee hee...thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/arts-culture/546777-science-now-says-you-can-judge-people-by-their-tasteI understand, but why do people take such glee when the box office numbers are down on a reveal comic book movie? That one Nolan guy made Imdb2 comic movie board a miserable place. I happen to like Thor, The Dark World better than Ragnarok, but I'm afraid to say so, because I will go against the consensus that it sucks and no one will talk to me. I sense old fashion high school peer pressure sometimes and I never want to relive my high school days again. Life is essentially High School, and tribalism never goes out of style. I despise watching YouTubers that pit the corporations against one another in a Thunderdome-style competition weekend after weekend. They foster tribalism and toxicity in the fandom. It's easy enough to ignore their homespun fantasy narratives where they are in charge of the release calendar. It really gets uncomfortable to watch after a while. You are seeing someone play out a fantasy they have no chance of ever achieving at this point. You're a good poster; intelligent, articulate, and never a nuisance. I don't see why you should be afraid of anyone. Seek out the people who are a good fit for your style and temperament, and the ignore button is there for the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 7:31:34 GMT 1
I understand, but why do people take such glee when the box office numbers are down on a reveal comic book movie? That one Nolan guy made Imdb2 comic movie board a miserable place. I happen to like Thor, The Dark World better than Ragnarok, but I'm afraid to say so, because I will go against the consensus that it sucks and no one will talk to me. I sense old fashion high school peer pressure sometimes and I never want to relive my high school days again. Life is essentially High School, and tribalism never goes out of style. I despise watching YouTubers that pit the corporations against one another in a Thunderdome-style competition weekend after weekend. They foster tribalism and toxicity in the fandom. It's easy enough to ignore their homespun fantasy narratives where they are in charge of the release calendar. It really gets uncomfortable to watch after a while. You are seeing someone play out a fantasy they have no chance of ever achieving at this point. You're a good poster; intelligent, articulate, and never a nuisance. I don't see why you should be afraid of anyone. Seek out the people who are a good fit for your style and temperament, and the ignore button is there for the rest. I'm a huge joker.
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 20, 2021 18:51:46 GMT 1
Domestic 177 million Foreign 143 million Worldwide 320 million
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Post by Grandmaster on Oct 8, 2021 12:13:38 GMT 1
Domestic 207.8 million Foreign 181.2 million Worldwide 389 million
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 10, 2021 14:36:46 GMT 1
Domestic 207.8 million Foreign 181.2 million Worldwide 389 million Its a little sad to see the new box office norm when you know these would have made 3x as much. I’m wondering what kind of cutbacks will have to be made? Or will they really just keep production at the same level?
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 7, 2021 18:25:51 GMT 1
Shang Chi
Domestic 223 million Foreign 204 million Worldwide 427 million
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 22:33:19 GMT 1
Eternals seems to be doing pretty well. Maybe there’s hope for a sequel after all?
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Nov 8, 2021 22:39:44 GMT 1
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 9, 2021 19:57:23 GMT 1
Eternals seems to be doing pretty well. Maybe there’s hope for a sequel after all? Sequel is a given seen how the movie ends and the promise at the end.
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 9, 2021 19:58:46 GMT 1
Domestic 71 million Foreign 90 million Worldwide 161 million Thanks AQUA KEN! for reminding me to post this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2021 20:09:09 GMT 1
Eternals seems to be doing pretty well. Maybe there’s hope for a sequel after all? Sequel is a given seen how the movie ends and the promise at the end. It’s unrealistic to expect the critical reception to not impact their plans though. Would Chloe return? Would Marvel want her back? A sequel would, at the very least, involve some sort of creative shake up. As for the ending, I’ll find out in a few hours! Got my tickets online a few minutes ago!
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 9, 2021 20:31:51 GMT 1
Sequel is a given seen how the movie ends and the promise at the end. It’s unrealistic to expect the critical reception to not impact their plans though. Would Chloe return? Would Marvel want her back? A sequel would, at the very least, involve some sort of creative shake up. As for the ending, I’ll find out in a few hours! Got my tickets online a few minutes ago! Sequel is a given. The audience score is high and its a financial success. And trust me, after the movie, you will not doubt it anymore
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 15, 2021 4:05:19 GMT 1
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 15, 2021 14:40:57 GMT 1
Domestic 118.7 million Foreign 162.6 million Worldwide 281.3 million
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 27, 2021 20:36:55 GMT 1
Domestic 145.7 million Foreign 200.3 million Worldwide 346.1 million
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 6, 2021 4:42:24 GMT 1
Domestic 145.7 million Foreign 200.3 million Worldwide 346.1 million was planning to see this on Friday. Looks like it will have to be next Friday. Sooooooooooon though
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 7:21:51 GMT 1
Domestic 145.7 million Foreign 200.3 million Worldwide 346.1 million was planning to see this on Friday. Looks like it will have to be next Friday. Sooooooooooon though Dude… you haven’t even seen Eternals yet?! What’s happening, Archie?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 6, 2021 19:41:24 GMT 1
was planning to see this on Friday. Looks like it will have to be next Friday. Sooooooooooon though Dude… you haven’t even seen Eternals yet?! What’s happening, Archie? im asking myself the same thing lol. I was finally back on with the guys this weekend though. Had a great time!
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 22, 2021 15:55:29 GMT 1
Eternals has passed $400 million at the box office.
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