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Post by maximura on Jul 19, 2021 15:57:50 GMT 1
Pretty in depth agreement here on the day and date strategy backfire. Great point about the home access drawing money from the future video on demand while preventing the theater revenue. It would seem the model doesn't work not only for theaters, but also for overall stakeholders in general. Given the convenience and reduced overhead of home viewing, I'm sure they would have wanted to eventually withdraw from theaters entirely, but clearly the financials don't match that ambition at this time. deadline.com/2021/07/black-widow-disney-day-and-date-strategy-theatre-owners-protest-1234795420/Im shocked they don’t just go with something more like a $20, 24 hour rental option if they want to try it. Although TBH I see no real reason not to just stick with the theater release and eventual home release we’ve always had. You have to have that need to go to the theater or else they’re going to slow suffocate that side of the industry. Something worth noting here, is that Disney is not in business to keep theaters open and all of the streaming profit is theirs rather than a fraction of the theater profits which also carry additional costs. If Disney determines it stands to attain more or equal net income, they will drop theaters like a box full of bricks. There's very little litmus set for this style of release. A lower figure may still be more profitable due to reduced costs and profits in other areas. With so many variables, it may not be possible to have an informed reaction to this until many other films have done this also.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 19, 2021 16:15:15 GMT 1
Uh, Yeah, we'll likely never see another Marvel movie launch day and date on Disney+ ever again. This is likely the biggest reason for the earth-shattering drop. There's absolutely no point in releasing the film in China at all. They already have it. ‘Black Widow’s’ China Delay Rings Alarm Bells for HollywoodPretty in depth agreement here on the day and date strategy backfire. Great point about the home access drawing money from the future video on demand while preventing the theater revenue. It would seem the model doesn't work not only for theaters, but also for overall stakeholders in general. Given the convenience and reduced overhead of home viewing, I'm sure they would have wanted to eventually withdraw from theaters entirely, but clearly the financials don't match that ambition at this time. deadline.com/2021/07/black-widow-disney-day-and-date-strategy-theatre-owners-protest-1234795420/I agree with NATO, but, as always, they are doing quite a bit of chest-thumping. Thanks for sharing the piece, maximura . The solution isn't as straightforward as NATO would have you believe. Consumer behavior is changing, and their answer is simply to force everyone back into a coercive model that doesn't acknowledge a dynamic marketplace. I will say that they're likely the least greed-driven party in this ecosystem and their efforts and arguments do the most to preserve more jobs and the economy as a whole. With Black Widow, Disney just wanted all of their money for themselves as quickly as they could get it. The simple truth is that once you subtract the diehard Marvel fans and movie enthusiasts from Black Widow's Box office, most people were willing to stay at home and watch the movie for a premium (or with a five-finger discount). This means that the theatrical experience isn't as desirable as it was in the past. This could be because of the advent of streaming or due to lingering concerns over the health crisis. There still can be synergies between streaming and movies without the long and artificial windows between the two. Studios and Exhibitors just have to work harder than they have thus far to find them. Why not put 20 minutes of black Widow on streaming on day one and turn it into a "sharable" ad for the theatrical release. This would force pirates to put together a stitched-together hybrid of a digital copy and likely a screen-capped version. And if you don't like that idea, Disney, I got a dozen more - dial 1-800 under-vrs. Hee hee hee...
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 19, 2021 16:35:35 GMT 1
The day the music died, indeed. Nat deserved better. Grosses DOMESTIC (56.7%) $132,012,671 INTERNATIONAL (43.3%) $100,700,000 WORLDWIDE $232,712,671 And the weekend... Jul 16, 2021 | Friday | 2 | $8,028,000 | +59.7% | -79.7% | 4,275 | $1,877 | $113,789,671 | 8 | Jul 17, 2021 | Saturday | 1 | $10,384,000 | +29.3% | -55.4% | 4,275 | $2,429 | $124,173,671 | 9 | Jul 18, 2021 | Sunday | 1 | $7,200,000 | -30.7% | -59% | 4,275 | $1,684 | $132,012,671 | 10 |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jul 27, 2021 14:58:51 GMT 1
She did, but I am noticing that Space Jam has taken a slightly worse but relatively similar dive in its second weekend. Perhaps too early to say that this is a trend but it’s concerning for the future of theater releases if they’re opening weekend is the only weekend that returns to normal.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 27, 2021 15:33:47 GMT 1
She did, but I am noticing that Space Jam has taken a slightly worse but relatively similar dive in its second weekend. Perhaps too early to say that this is a trend but it’s concerning for the future of theater releases if they’re opening weekend is the only weekend that returns to normal. Space Jam hasn't even recovered its budget yet. In retrospect, Premier Access was likely not the worst idea Disney ever had; if their numbers are accurate, they probably pocketed another $60 M off the books (on top of the traditional grosses). I wish Black Widow didn't have to be the canary in this particular coal mine. I guess it made sense because Scarlett was on her way out, and Nat didn't have a sequel/franchise path. Had this been a new character release, like Shang Chi or Eternals - any chances of a sequel would be nil. The mouse house is a bid savvier than it would seem at a casual glance in this instance. Their strategy mitigated losses upfront, and anything they could have made further down the line was never going to be a certainty anyway (like China). The key is to make all of your money (or as much of it as possible) up front in this climate.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Jul 27, 2021 17:14:43 GMT 1
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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 27, 2021 17:58:29 GMT 1
Domestic 154 million Foreign 160 million Worldwide 314 million
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Post by Grandmaster on Jul 30, 2021 7:43:44 GMT 1
I have deleted all posts in this thread about vaccins and related matters
I dont care what side you are on. I just dont want this shit here on the board.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2021 8:15:59 GMT 1
I have deleted all posts in this thread about vaccins and related matters I dont care on what side you are on. I just dont want this shit here on the board. I have to say I agree this time. A bit too much politics lately
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jul 30, 2021 15:30:07 GMT 1
I have deleted all posts in this thread about vaccins and related matters I dont care on what side you are on. I just dont want this shit here on the board. I have to say I agree this time. A bit too much politics lately Yeah, there's virtually NOTHING you can talk about today without the risk of it becoming politicized. The only exception seems to be if you're willing to keep your discussion points at the mental level of a pre-teen fart joke. Sad really...
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 23, 2021 17:51:32 GMT 1
Black Widow
Domestic 180 million Foreign 189 million Worldwide 369 million
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 1:27:24 GMT 1
Black Widow Domestic 180 million Foreign 189 million Worldwide 369 million Thats actually pretty good all things considered. People simply aren’t going to theaters at the same rate. But this film did well
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Post by Grandmaster on Aug 24, 2021 5:10:16 GMT 1
Black Widow Domestic 180 million Foreign 189 million Worldwide 369 million Thats actually pretty good all things considered. People simply aren’t going to theaters at the same rate. But this film did well It made another 125 million in streaming. To be honest. Normally I would have seen it twice in theaters. Now only once. Why risk it?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Aug 24, 2021 16:44:48 GMT 1
Thats actually pretty good all things considered. People simply aren’t going to theaters at the same rate. But this film did well It made another 125 million in streaming. To be honest. Normally I would have seen it twice in theaters. Now only once. Why risk it? exactly. It’s that kind of thing for most everybody. Once and done. That’s how these are dropping so hard in the follow up weekends
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Post by Indiana Jones on Sept 2, 2021 20:17:08 GMT 1
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Sept 2, 2021 23:07:35 GMT 1
Thats incredible. And good for Shang Chi. I hope it shows some ability to hold on in the coming weeks. It seems to be a damn good film by all accounts
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 3, 2021 2:43:37 GMT 1
Thats incredible. And good for Shang Chi. I hope it shows some ability to hold on in the coming weeks. It seems to be a damn good film by all accounts Guys, I think this is the rebirth of MCU pride.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Sept 4, 2021 20:31:45 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2021 20:37:53 GMT 1
That is awesome, and unexpected. The MCU is saving theaters!
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Post by Indiana Jones on Sept 5, 2021 21:33:13 GMT 1
That is awesome, and unexpected. The MCU is saving theaters! Take that, Scorsese!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2021 1:57:18 GMT 1
That is awesome, and unexpected. The MCU is saving theaters! Take that, Scorsese! KAPOW! And D+ too. Take that “premiere access”! SHAZAM!
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Post by Indiana Jones on Sept 6, 2021 15:44:18 GMT 1
KAPOW! And D+ too. Take that “premiere access”! SHAZAM! Wrong multiverse!
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Sept 6, 2021 15:52:28 GMT 1
KAPOW! And D+ too. Take that “premiere access”! SHAZAM! SHAZAM! !!!! DC-MARVEL MULTIVERSE CONFIRMED!!!!!!!1111
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 7, 2021 13:09:42 GMT 1
Shang Chi
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 7, 2021 16:58:08 GMT 1
Shang-Chi is doing extremely well but I find it interesting that Black Widow actually made more at the box office in it's first 3 days than Shang-Chi did. We'll see what kind of legs this movie has without a Disney+ premier access option.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 7, 2021 17:43:56 GMT 1
Shang-Chi is doing extremely well but I find it interesting that Black Widow actually made more at the box office in it's first 3 days than Shang-Chi did. We'll see what kind of legs this movie has without a Disney+ premier access option. I know most people are sick of hearing about this, but Shang Chi's box office performance completely justifies Disney's decision to release Black Widow as a premium access option. Shang-Chi is supposedly a better movie than Black Widow (per most of the fandom), and it couldn't make the same or better money under similar circumstances. Shang-Chi technically had more time to beat Black Widow with the US holiday. We'll have to wait on the second weekend to be sure, but this doesn't help Johanssen's case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 18:03:21 GMT 1
Shang Chi shatters Labor Day weekend records! A very awesome feat. It’s almost like if you release movies in theaters only they do well. Who knew?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Sept 8, 2021 4:27:43 GMT 1
Shang Chi shatters Labor Day weekend records! A very awesome feat. It’s almost like if you release movies in theaters only they do well. Who knew? The bar isn't set all that high for breaking a Labor Day weekend record. As compared to Black Widow, Shang-Chi's performance proves the opposite of your point. Disney technically left Premier access money on the table with Shang-Chi --- to the tune of $150 M.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Sept 8, 2021 13:43:18 GMT 1
Wasn't Black Widow heavily pirated on Disney+?
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Post by Grandmaster on Sept 8, 2021 17:36:57 GMT 1
Black Widow made 125 million on Disney+ alone. Shang Chi may prove that a hybrid release is more profitable in the long run.
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