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Post by josephjoestar1 on Mar 28, 2021 8:07:45 GMT 1
Surprisingly good. An overall solid Superhero film. Much better than the garbage that was the 2017 version.
8/10 definitely Zack Snyder's best DC film(I mean that bar isn't too high).
As for how it campares with The Avengers movies I'd say it's better than Age of Ultron(7/10) and equal to Endgame(8/10) but doesn't come close to Infinity War or The Avengers 2012 (Both 9/10) in my opinion.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 28, 2021 14:39:57 GMT 1
Surprisingly good. An overall solid Superhero film. Much better than the garbage that was the 2017 version. 8/10 definitely Zack Snyder's best DC film(I mean that bar isn't too high). As for how it campares with The Avengers movies I'd say it's better than Age of Ultron(7/10) and equal to Endgame(8/10) but doesn't come close to Infinity War or The Avengers 2012 (Both 9/10) in my opinion. A solid amount of respectability. Looks great. Acted well. I don’t however think it belongs in the same sentence with any of the Avengers films, all of which have a lot more moving parts and more subtle layers about a variety of character motivations. ZSJL is a noble effort to polish an assembly cut.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 28, 2021 20:30:43 GMT 1
The Snyder Cut also doesn't address the root causes of Justice League's poor performance.
1. Derivative storyline that mimics what Marvel did with the Avengers over the course of decade but crammed into a single movie 2. Limited to no chemistry amongst the so-called Justice League 3. Unearned/shallow team-building moments
Fans should have pushed Warner Brothers to do more than simply match or copy what Marvel did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 1:36:56 GMT 1
I enjoyed it too but this is what happens when you try to rush a cinematic universe, a 4hr ensemble movie. Still crazy that this even happened
I cant remember now. Did Snyder leave or was he made to leave? Obviously his daughter passed under tragic circumstances
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 1:39:07 GMT 1
The Snyder Cut also doesn't address the root causes of Justice League's poor performance. 1. Derivative storyline that mimics what Marvel did with the Avengers over the course of decade but crammed into a single movie
2. Limited to no chemistry amongst the so-called Justice League 3. Unearned/shallow team-building moments Fans should have pushed Warner Brothers to do more than simply match or copy what Marvel did. I had doubt for a second there but then I remembered Suicide Squad and Guardians
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 29, 2021 2:37:22 GMT 1
The Snyder Cut also doesn't address the root causes of Justice League's poor performance. 1. Derivative storyline that mimics what Marvel did with the Avengers over the course of decade but crammed into a single movie
2. Limited to no chemistry amongst the so-called Justice League 3. Unearned/shallow team-building moments Fans should have pushed Warner Brothers to do more than simply match or copy what Marvel did. I had doubt for a second there but then I remembered Suicide Squad and Guardians In every way that matters, Justice League is just way too similar to Avengers. I'm not trying to disparage the fans, but the blatant similarities show how little it takes to please them. The elements Snyder didn't get to "finish" mirror Endgame's time travel mechanics fairly closely. So Snyder vision is essentially Marvel's vision but darker. Thanos never gets to crush Loki's decapitated head. And we're better for it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 30, 2021 2:50:52 GMT 1
I had doubt for a second there but then I remembered Suicide Squad and Guardians In every way that matters, Justice League is just way too similar to Avengers. I'm not trying to disparage the fans, but the blatant similarities show how little it takes to please them. The elements Snyder didn't get to "finish" mirror Endgame's time travel mechanics fairly closely. So Snyder vision is essentially Marvel's vision but darker. Thanos never gets to crush Loki's decapitated head. And we're better for it. It was amazingly similar. Guy shows up to steal multiple cosmic objects. The only things is there’s no real history built into this or motivation established for the villains to be doing so. We don’t even know what it is Steppenwolf did that this is some sort of punishment. It’s not bad, but it is the very minimum expectation. If there was any less going on, there wouldn’t be a story to tell.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 30, 2021 3:17:07 GMT 1
In every way that matters, Justice League is just way too similar to Avengers. I'm not trying to disparage the fans, but the blatant similarities show how little it takes to please them. The elements Snyder didn't get to "finish" mirror Endgame's time travel mechanics fairly closely. So Snyder vision is essentially Marvel's vision but darker. Thanos never gets to crush Loki's decapitated head. And we're better for it. It was amazingly similar. Guy shows up to steal multiple cosmic objects. The only things is there’s no real history built into this or motivation established for the villains to be doing so. We don’t even know what it is Steppenwolf did that this is some sort of punishment. It’s not bad, but it is the very minimum expectation. If there was any less going on, there wouldn’t be a story to tell. If I laid out the similarities between the two basic concepts point by point, you'd be stunned into submission. I know Hollywood pumps out similar competing movies all the time, but this instance is borderline plagiarism. And to do it years too late with two conflicting edits? I thought Snyder's version might be materially different in basic story mechanics, but it isn't. he just wanted to cram the New Gods into it. His movie is the cinematic equivalent of a run-on sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 3:29:52 GMT 1
In every way that matters, Justice League is just way too similar to Avengers. I'm not trying to disparage the fans, but the blatant similarities show how little it takes to please them. The elements Snyder didn't get to "finish" mirror Endgame's time travel mechanics fairly closely. So Snyder vision is essentially Marvel's vision but darker. Thanos never gets to crush Loki's decapitated head. And we're better for it. It was amazingly similar. Guy shows up to steal multiple cosmic objects. The only things is there’s no real history built into this or motivation established for the villains to be doing so. We don’t even know what it is Steppenwolf did that this is some sort of punishment. It’s not bad, but it is the very minimum expectation. If there was any less going on, there wouldn’t be a story to tell. But according to the fans, Kevin Feige was sold Snyder's plans by Geoff Johns and John Berg and used them for his Infinity Saga!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 3:31:20 GMT 1
It was amazingly similar. Guy shows up to steal multiple cosmic objects. The only things is there’s no real history built into this or motivation established for the villains to be doing so. We don’t even know what it is Steppenwolf did that this is some sort of punishment. It’s not bad, but it is the very minimum expectation. If there was any less going on, there wouldn’t be a story to tell. If I laid out the similarities between the two basic concepts point by point, you'd be stunned into submission. I know Hollywood pumps out similar competing movies all the time, but this instance is borderline plagiarism. And to do it years too late with two conflicting edits? I thought Snyder's version might be materially different in basic story mechanics, but it isn't. he just wanted to cram the New Gods into it. His movie is the cinematic equivalent of a run-on sentence. And it wasn't exactly hard to predict where the MCU was going if you bothered to pick up the relevant comic book issues. You just know WB had people sifting through Marvel back issues to try to figure out Feige's plan so they could beat them to the punch and make Disney-Marvel look like the copycats.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Mar 30, 2021 3:43:09 GMT 1
Surprisingly good. An overall solid Superhero film. Much better than the garbage that was the 2017 version. 8/10 definitely Zack Snyder's best DC film(I mean that bar isn't too high). As for how it campares with The Avengers movies I'd say it's better than Age of Ultron(7/10) and equal to Endgame(8/10) but doesn't come close to Infinity War or The Avengers 2012 (Both 9/10) in my opinion. I rated it 7 and 9 on each watch, so I'm on board with an 8.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 30, 2021 3:59:52 GMT 1
It was amazingly similar. Guy shows up to steal multiple cosmic objects. The only things is there’s no real history built into this or motivation established for the villains to be doing so. We don’t even know what it is Steppenwolf did that this is some sort of punishment. It’s not bad, but it is the very minimum expectation. If there was any less going on, there wouldn’t be a story to tell. If I laid out the similarities between the two basic concepts point by point, you'd be stunned into submission. I know Hollywood pumps out similar competing movies all the time, but this instance is borderline plagiarism. And to do it years too late with two conflicting edits? I thought Snyder's version might be materially different in basic story mechanics, but it isn't. he just wanted to cram the New Gods into it. His movie is the cinematic equivalent of a run-on sentence. I’d actually enjoy a lengthy breakdown because I’m sadistic like that. - Steppenwolf = heavy metal cheap Loki - Darkseid = Thanos - Boxes = Infinity Stones - Same basic arc, team gathers to stop it, they interact with some conflict. Uber villain is left to challenge them at a future date - all of it done in a more straightforward simplified manner What else you got?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 4:28:10 GMT 1
If I laid out the similarities between the two basic concepts point by point, you'd be stunned into submission. I know Hollywood pumps out similar competing movies all the time, but this instance is borderline plagiarism. And to do it years too late with two conflicting edits? I thought Snyder's version might be materially different in basic story mechanics, but it isn't. he just wanted to cram the New Gods into it. His movie is the cinematic equivalent of a run-on sentence. I’d actually enjoy a lengthy breakdown because I’m sadistic like that. - Steppenwolf = heavy metal cheap Loki - Darkseid = Thanos - Boxes = Infinity Stones - Same basic arc, team gathers to stop it, they interact with some conflict. Uber villain is left to challenge them at a future date - all of it done in a more straightforward simplified manner What else you got? I am curious myself. Good start. I didn't know Steppenwolf was sponsored by Uber though
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 4:28:55 GMT 1
Surprisingly good. An overall solid Superhero film. Much better than the garbage that was the 2017 version. 8/10 definitely Zack Snyder's best DC film(I mean that bar isn't too high). As for how it campares with The Avengers movies I'd say it's better than Age of Ultron(7/10) and equal to Endgame(8/10) but doesn't come close to Infinity War or The Avengers 2012 (Both 9/10) in my opinion. I rated it 7 and 9 on each watch, so I'm on board with an 8. You truly are a villain
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 30, 2021 5:55:49 GMT 1
If I laid out the similarities between the two basic concepts point by point, you'd be stunned into submission. I know Hollywood pumps out similar competing movies all the time, but this instance is borderline plagiarism. And to do it years too late with two conflicting edits? I thought Snyder's version might be materially different in basic story mechanics, but it isn't. he just wanted to cram the New Gods into it. His movie is the cinematic equivalent of a run-on sentence. And it wasn't exactly hard to predict where the MCU was going if you bothered to pick up the relevant comic book issues. You just know WB had people sifting through Marvel back issues to try to figure out Feige's plan so they could beat them to the punch and make Disney-Marvel look like the copycats. I tend to agree with your assessment. I think the Justice League writing team intentionally copied the basic MCU Infinity Saga storyline with the intention of making it bigger and more 'serious.' From their perspective, the same game had been played on them with Captain America: Civil War (and Batman vs. Superman).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 6:03:00 GMT 1
And it wasn't exactly hard to predict where the MCU was going if you bothered to pick up the relevant comic book issues. You just know WB had people sifting through Marvel back issues to try to figure out Feige's plan so they could beat them to the punch and make Disney-Marvel look like the copycats. I tend to agree with your assessment. I think the Justice League writing team intentionally copied the basic MCU Infinity Saga storyline with the intention of making it bigger and more 'serious.' From their perspective, the same game had been played on them with Captain America: Civil War (and Batman vs. Superman). Damn straight. And then they got cold feet when they got the bad news about BvS.
That said, I am willing to entertain the possibility that it is coincidence both ended up using time travel, mainly due to WB's absolute addiction to the Flashpoint storyline. They were already making people go through the paces of that stupid story multiple times before the DCEU rolled in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 6:19:04 GMT 1
I think you guys are giving them too much credit. Too lazy or too stupid to look at further Marvel issues
Also makes me wonder about the email attachment. Did the execs try to reference themselves. Look we're cool too. Our lives are all about emails, bad meetings and worse decisions
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 6:22:33 GMT 1
I think you guys are giving them too much credit. Too lazy or too stupid to look at further Marvel issues Also makes me wonder about the email attachment. Did the execs try to reference themselves. Look we're cool too. Our lives are all about emails, bad meetings and worse decisions That's what underpaid interns are for. It is very low effort for a WB executive to tell some hapless interns to get ahold of the relevant Marvel comics and write an outline of how the Infinity Saga goes.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 6:28:35 GMT 1
Yeah I know. Although I don't trust any of their staff at that point to make a correct decision or fetch me a slice of pizza. I think we've all experienced bad managers in our lives and it just trickles down
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 6:32:12 GMT 1
Yeah I know. Although I don't trust any of their staff at that point to make a correct decision or fetch me a slice of pizza. I think we've all experienced bad managers in our lives and it just trickles down I never said the interns did a good job. There's a reason Snyder's DCEU is a poor man's Infinity Saga. They took the basic ideas MCU was using without understanding what made it work as a compelling story.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 30, 2021 6:58:24 GMT 1
I think you guys are giving them too much credit. Too lazy or too stupid to look at further Marvel issues Also makes me wonder about the email attachment. Did the execs try to reference themselves. Look we're cool too. Our lives are all about emails, bad meetings and worse decisions It's possible... but, damn, there were just too many similarities. This video proposes to detail Snyder's 'plan' for Justice League Snyder Cut 2 and 3. It's the most convoluted shit I've ever heard. Wonder Woman dies in a 'knightmare' vision, but she kills Superman in another. Bruce has a baby with Lois! That's an excellent way to get yourself flash-fried. There is no way a casual CBM movie-goer would have ever been able to understand any of it.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 30, 2021 16:17:27 GMT 1
I think you guys are giving them too much credit. Too lazy or too stupid to look at further Marvel issues Also makes me wonder about the email attachment. Did the execs try to reference themselves. Look we're cool too. Our lives are all about emails, bad meetings and worse decisions It's possible... but, damn, there were just too many similarities. This video proposes to detail Snyder's 'plan' for Justice League Snyder Cut 2 and 3. It's the most convoluted shit I've ever heard. Wonder Woman dies in a 'knightmare' vision, but she kills Superman in another. Bruce has a baby with Lois! That's an excellent way to get yourself flash-fried. There is no way a casual CBM movie-goer would have ever been able to understand any of it. Now I almost want this to happen
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 30, 2021 17:15:08 GMT 1
It's possible... but, damn, there were just too many similarities. This video proposes to detail Snyder's 'plan' for Justice League Snyder Cut 2 and 3. It's the most convoluted shit I've ever heard. Wonder Woman dies in a 'knightmare' vision, but she kills Superman in another. Bruce has a baby with Lois! That's an excellent way to get yourself flash-fried. There is no way a casual CBM movie-goer would have ever been able to understand any of it. Now I almost want this to happen Why not? Turns out the villain's evil plan is to... turn the universe into hell and enslave all of existence. The ending has the intergalactic tyrant invading Earth with his lieutenants and an army of inhuman drones. The villains are met by a coalition of every superhero on the planet who oppose his plan. Sounds fairly original to me... Maybe B-Force will show up?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 22:42:44 GMT 1
Now I almost want this to happen Why not? Turns out the villain's evil plan is to... turn the universe into hell and enslave all of existence. The ending has the intergalactic tyrant invading Earth with his lieutenants and an army of inhuman drones. The villains are met by a coalition of every superhero on the planet who oppose his plan. Sounds fairly original to me... Maybe B-Force will show up? Hmm, where have we heard that before? I think it might have been that little independent film you've probably never heard about called Avengers: Infinity War.
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