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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 5:39:00 GMT 1
A writer's room meeting that happening before the pandemic and when the Fox buyout had only just happened, at that. Everyone watching the MCU should be aware that the series philosophy is to take its time and be satisfying in the long run rather than giving out short-lived instant gratification. The Marvel Studios philosophy is also to keep things simple when and wherever possible. The movies have tended to shy away from the deep convolutions of the source material. Rampant fan speculation, which I believe is born out of fans' repressed imaginations, creates unrealistic expectations of the franchise. If you have an idea involving 75 of your favorite obscure Marvel characters showing up in a five-hour TV show, please feel free to write yourself. If Mephostophiles lives under your pillow and talks to you at night, I won't judge because he talks to me too. Hee hee hee... Rampant speculation makes people who would otherwise be nameless and faceless fans like the rest of us feel like they have a creator-level stake in the process. You feel more important when you can successfully guess what Jac Schaeffer decided on in a soundproof room with her colleagues years before her work was released to the public. Add in what she had for breakfast that day, and you might get promoted to become an intermediary between the fans and the creator gods. You will become one of the chosen few worthy of explaining things to everyone else in worthless breakdowns and um-and-ah free analyses. Luckily, there are still fans out there that are decent enough to share their thoughts and feelings about the stories they read and watch. Healthy conjecture that doesn't involve self-contained parallel narratives and fantastic leaps in logic promotes discourse; save the worthless theory-crafting for your basement corkboard. The MCU is so popular it's becoming a fanthropological phenomenon. It's the "Endgame of fandom." Sometimes, I wish we could go back to the days of being a small thing without the stans, spoiler alerts, cultists, tubers, canonists, anti-fans, politifans, mosquitos, libidos, etc., etc. ad infinitum amen. Agreed. Heck, even the working title "The Mutants" seems to imply that Feige will start out the X-Men part of the MCU on a very small, simple scale.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 7:44:08 GMT 1
The Marvel Studios philosophy is also to keep things simple when and wherever possible. The movies have tended to shy away from the deep convolutions of the source material. Rampant fan speculation, which I believe is born out of fans' repressed imaginations, creates unrealistic expectations of the franchise. If you have an idea involving 75 of your favorite obscure Marvel characters showing up in a five-hour TV show, please feel free to write yourself. If Mephostophiles lives under your pillow and talks to you at night, I won't judge because he talks to me too. Hee hee hee... Rampant speculation makes people who would otherwise be nameless and faceless fans like the rest of us feel like they have a creator-level stake in the process. You feel more important when you can successfully guess what Jac Schaeffer decided on in a soundproof room with her colleagues years before her work was released to the public. Add in what she had for breakfast that day, and you might get promoted to become an intermediary between the fans and the creator gods. You will become one of the chosen few worthy of explaining things to everyone else in worthless breakdowns and um-and-ah free analyses. Luckily, there are still fans out there that are decent enough to share their thoughts and feelings about the stories they read and watch. Healthy conjecture that doesn't involve self-contained parallel narratives and fantastic leaps in logic promotes discourse; save the worthless theory-crafting for your basement corkboard. The MCU is so popular it's becoming a fanthropological phenomenon. It's the "Endgame of fandom." Sometimes, I wish we could go back to the days of being a small thing without the stans, spoiler alerts, cultists, tubers, canonists, anti-fans, politifans, mosquitos, libidos, etc., etc. ad infinitum amen. Agreed. Heck, even the working title "The Mutants" seems to imply that Feige will start out the X-Men part of the MCU on a very small, simple scale. Thats easily possible
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 7:50:28 GMT 1
A writer's room meeting that happening before the pandemic and when the Fox buyout had only just happened, at that. Everyone watching the MCU should be aware that the series philosophy is to take its time and be satisfying in the long run rather than giving out short-lived instant gratification. The Marvel Studios philosophy is also to keep things simple when and wherever possible. The movies have tended to shy away from the deep convolutions of the source material. Rampant fan speculation, which I believe is born out of fans' repressed imaginations, creates unrealistic expectations of the franchise. If you have an idea involving 75 of your favorite obscure Marvel characters showing up in a five-hour TV show, please feel free to write it yourself. If Mephostophiles lives under your pillow and talks to you at night, I won't judge because he talks to me too. Hee hee hee... Rampant speculation makes people who would otherwise be nameless and faceless fans like the rest of us feel like they have a creator-level stake in the process. You feel more important when you can successfully guess what Jac Schaeffer decided on in a soundproof room with her colleagues years before her work was released to the public. Add in what she had for breakfast that day, and you might get promoted to become an intermediary between the fans and the creator gods. You will become one of the chosen few worthy of explaining things to everyone else in worthless breakdowns and um-and-ah free analyses. Luckily, there are still fans out there that are decent enough to share their thoughts and feelings about the stories they read and watch. Healthy conjecture that doesn't involve self-contained parallel narratives and fantastic leaps in logic promotes discourse; save the worthless theory-crafting for your basement corkboard. The MCU is so popular it's becoming a fanthropological phenomenon. It's the "Endgame of fandom." Sometimes, I wish we could go back to the days of being a small thing without the stans, spoiler alerts, cultists, tubers, canonists, anti-fans, politifans, a mosquitos, my libidos, etc., etc. ad infinitum amen. hmm on some level I agree. It's just that angry people which are pretty much a vocal minority always somehow get attention. Makes for good news in entertainment circles I guess? There will always be crazies though and the internet has obviously made it worse via anonymity
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 8, 2021 8:13:33 GMT 1
The Marvel Studios philosophy is also to keep things simple when and wherever possible. The movies have tended to shy away from the deep convolutions of the source material. Rampant fan speculation, which I believe is born out of fans' repressed imaginations, creates unrealistic expectations of the franchise. If you have an idea involving 75 of your favorite obscure Marvel characters showing up in a five-hour TV show, please feel free to write it yourself. If Mephostophiles lives under your pillow and talks to you at night, I won't judge because he talks to me too. Hee hee hee... Rampant speculation makes people who would otherwise be nameless and faceless fans like the rest of us feel like they have a creator-level stake in the process. You feel more important when you can successfully guess what Jac Schaeffer decided on in a soundproof room with her colleagues years before her work was released to the public. Add in what she had for breakfast that day, and you might get promoted to become an intermediary between the fans and the creator gods. You will become one of the chosen few worthy of explaining things to everyone else in worthless breakdowns and um-and-ah free analyses. Luckily, there are still fans out there that are decent enough to share their thoughts and feelings about the stories they read and watch. Healthy conjecture that doesn't involve self-contained parallel narratives and fantastic leaps in logic promotes discourse; save the worthless theory-crafting for your basement corkboard. The MCU is so popular it's becoming a fanthropological phenomenon. It's the "Endgame of fandom." Sometimes, I wish we could go back to the days of being a small thing without the stans, spoiler alerts, cultists, tubers, canonists, anti-fans, politifans, a mosquitos, my libidos, etc., etc. ad infinitum amen. hmm on some level I agree. It's just that angry people which are pretty much a vocal minority always somehow get attention. Makes for good news in entertainment circles I guess? There will always be crazies though and the internet has obviously made it worse via anonymity I don't sense anger from the group of fans who want to control the conversation with wild speculation. They seem more like people who are starved for attention. They're bottomless pits that you shove content into, and it's immediately consumed. They don't reflect on it, and they can't generate any meaningful thoughts or genuine feelings about what they saw that aren't an endless litany of complaints or more baseless speculation. They just inhale content and invent more pseudo content while they're waiting for the next installment of their "favorite" franchise. The MCU now intersects with a subset of fans who are enamored of Hollywood, celebrities, and anything that dominates popular culture. I'm not judging, but it is hard to share the field with Tom and Lizzy stans, who think the sun shines out of their behinds. Comic book fans who just want to see competently made live-action adaptations of the comic books they read growing up are mingling with many other types of so-called fans. Here's my fan-fic of the day. Wouldn't it be cool to see Charles Bronson on Twitter talking about coal mines, jumping off trains, and robbing people? What a glorious anti-social media nightmare. Hee hee hee...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2021 8:22:10 GMT 1
hmm on some level I agree. It's just that angry people which are pretty much a vocal minority always somehow get attention. Makes for good news in entertainment circles I guess? There will always be crazies though and the internet has obviously made it worse via anonymity I don't sense anger from the group of fans who want to control the conversation with wild speculation. They seem more like people who are starved for attention. They're bottomless pits that you shove content into, and it's immediately consumed. They don't reflect on it, and they can't generate any feelings or thoughts about what they saw that aren't an endless litany of complaints or more baseless speculation. They just inhale content and invent more pseudo content while they're waiting for the next installment of their "favorite" franchise. The MCU now intersects with a subset of fans who are enamored of Hollywood, celebrities, and anything that dominates popular culture. I'm not judging, but it is hard to share the field with Tom and Lizzy stans, who think the sun shines out of their behinds. Comic book fans who just want to see competently made live-action adaptations of the comic books they read growing up are mingling with many other types of so-called fans. Here's my fan-fic of the day. Wouldn't it be cool to see Charles Bronson on Twitter talking about coal mines, jumping off trains, and robbing people? What a glorious anti-social media nightmare. Hee hee hee... Forgive my ignorance but all I know about ol Bronson is that he was a tough guy typecasted actor?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 8, 2021 8:30:58 GMT 1
I don't sense anger from the group of fans who want to control the conversation with wild speculation. They seem more like people who are starved for attention. They're bottomless pits that you shove content into, and it's immediately consumed. They don't reflect on it, and they can't generate any feelings or thoughts about what they saw that aren't an endless litany of complaints or more baseless speculation. They just inhale content and invent more pseudo content while they're waiting for the next installment of their "favorite" franchise. The MCU now intersects with a subset of fans who are enamored of Hollywood, celebrities, and anything that dominates popular culture. I'm not judging, but it is hard to share the field with Tom and Lizzy stans, who think the sun shines out of their behinds. Comic book fans who just want to see competently made live-action adaptations of the comic books they read growing up are mingling with many other types of so-called fans. Here's my fan-fic of the day. Wouldn't it be cool to see Charles Bronson on Twitter talking about coal mines, jumping off trains, and robbing people? What a glorious anti-social media nightmare. Hee hee hee... Forgive my ignorance but all I know about ol Bronson is that he was a tough guy typecasted actor? I'm no expert on the man myself, but I do love me some Death Wish films - even the bad ones (naturally). All I know is that he was an intensely private man who hated Hollywood and took up acting because "it looked easy." He grew up poor in a Pennsylvania mining town where he earned 1 USD for every TON of coal he could bring out of the mines. He seemed to hate everything and everyone besides his family. He was a consummate professional who avoided the media and his fellow filmmakers (outside of a chosen few). There are stories about the man that will make you wonder how he would have faired in today's "like" and "subscribe" driven world.
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Post by Grandmaster on Mar 8, 2021 11:52:25 GMT 1
On further note Lord Death Man please adjust your post so it doesnt call out another member of the board. People really need to cool it a bit. Lately there is a little too much rubbing each other the wrong way going around. Thats not why we created this place. And make no mistake, AQUA JAR!™ or me will step in if there is need for that. We love you all and hate see people get kicked out. Dont let that happen. We're all fans here. I've adjusted the post. But I'm still curious to know charzhino 's feelings on recent developments in WandaVision. Thank you
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Post by charzhino on Mar 8, 2021 23:58:16 GMT 1
I'm glad that most of the fan theories did not pan out. The majority of them were hackneyed and silly. It was like listening to a small child plan out their imaginary day. "After I leave the playground, Mom is going take me to my rocket ship. It's in my backyard. I will fly into outer space and meet Albert Einstien. When we meet, we will have lunch at Applebee's --- on the moon."It's the theories that promised to destroy the MCU continuity that were the most irritating. Some people are calling the "Bohner" reveal a Mandarin-level deception on the part of Marvel Studios. Hee hee hee... I sincerely hope Kevin Feige continues his epic troll on the fans who think there is room for the Fox-Men or the Sonyverse in the MCU --- because there isn't.
Rampant speculation is almost as divisive as the fringe conspiracy theories we're struggling with in the States. No, just because Anya Taylor-Joy wore a green dress to the Golden Globe awards, that does not automatically mean she has been cast as Polaris in the MCU. Ive said it on record way before WandVision that I want MCU to introduce xmen from the ground up. No to going the multiverse route cos it becomes a tangled mess with the biggest problem being the question of why Xmen introduced into this particular universe and not the other 100 million, as Arch pointed out. I have seen many fox Xmen fans on twitter intricately conjuring fantasies of how to integrate the Fox Xmen into MCU, and none of the theories make any sense to me, so that has always been a dead end as far as Im concerned. I was intrigued to see if they would cement Quicksilver from Fox, but ultimately it would not make sense in the long run so I didn't particularly care they made Peter into a Bohner joke. If anything his cameo in Wandavision confirmed to me he is clearly the superior Quicksilver based off fan hype and reaction to his surprise appearance.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 9, 2021 0:04:49 GMT 1
Agreed. Heck, even the working title "The Mutants" seems to imply that Feige will start out the X-Men part of the MCU on a very small, simple scale. Nah, that working title is what they'll go with most likely. And I posted on knowwhere last year that they wont use the name X-Men because itl offend snowflakes. Looks like im right
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 9, 2021 19:50:23 GMT 1
I think it's fine. It only gets bad when ego and bravado get in the way. It's not enough to make predictions, but rubbing them in is bad. I don't think it's any different from calculating the odds in your head. It's like sports. Predictions and guesses are half the fun, but when one watches just to be right, it means the inverse is being wrong when a prediction doesn't come true. That's no way to enjoy a show. That's no way to enjoy anything.
There's so much material, so many moving parts. It's meant to be guessed. Before Endgame came out, I thought it was possible (since I had no idea how it was going to resolve) that one or more Avengers could plead with Thanos to reverse the snap himself. I don't feel even the tiniest bit bad about it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2021 22:52:59 GMT 1
I think it's fine. It only gets bad when ego and bravado get in the way. It's not enough to make predictions, but rubbing them in is bad. I don't think it's any different from calculating the odds in your head. It's like sports. Predictions and guesses are half the fun, but when one watches just to be right, it means the inverse is being wrong when a prediction doesn't come true. That's no way to enjoy a show. That's no way to enjoy anything.
There's so much material, so many moving parts. It's meant to be guessed. Before Endgame came out, I thought it was possible (since I had no idea how it was going to resolve) that one or more Avengers could plead with Thanos to reverse the snap himself. I don't feel even the tiniest bit bad about it.
Speaking of making bold guesses, just about everyone on Knowhere guessed Thanos would be taken out as the main threat of the movie in the first hour. We were right about that one, but none of us expected Thanos would be replaced by... Thanos.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 0:13:29 GMT 1
I actually posted a theory on the IMDb Ultron page guessing that Quicksilver would die. I got so much hate for it. LOL. “He won’t die in his first movie, you moron!” 😂😂😂😂
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Mar 10, 2021 0:18:02 GMT 1
I actually posted a theory on the IMDb Ultron page guessing that Quicksilver would die. I got so much hate for it. LOL. “He won’t die in his first movie, you moron!” 😂😂😂😂
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Post by AQUA CAT! on Mar 10, 2021 0:55:27 GMT 1
I think it's fine. It only gets bad when ego and bravado get in the way. It's not enough to make predictions, but rubbing them in is bad. I don't think it's any different from calculating the odds in your head. It's like sports. Predictions and guesses are half the fun, but when one watches just to be right, it means the inverse is being wrong when a prediction doesn't come true. That's no way to enjoy a show. That's no way to enjoy anything.
There's so much material, so many moving parts. It's meant to be guessed. Before Endgame came out, I thought it was possible (since I had no idea how it was going to resolve) that one or more Avengers could plead with Thanos to reverse the snap himself. I don't feel even the tiniest bit bad about it.
Speaking of making bold guesses, just about everyone on Knowhere guessed Thanos would be taken out as the main threat of the movie in the first hour. We were right about that one, but none of us expected Thanos would be replaced by... Thanos. That man has incredible shoes to fill. Maybe men's sized 35 with a wide sole. I guess it takes a Thanos to replace a Thanos.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 10, 2021 16:58:36 GMT 1
We should make a list of all the WandaVision theories that were wrong. I'd start with the one that said the whole thing was a plot by some big bad to get Wanda's children and use their power.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Mar 10, 2021 17:29:20 GMT 1
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 10, 2021 18:36:17 GMT 1
We should make a list of all the WandaVision theories that were wrong. I'd start with the one that said the whole thing was a plot by some big bad to get Wanda's children and use their power. I'm down with this! Here's the one's I've seen that didn't come true: Agnes is working with Mephisto. Agnes is possessed by Nightmare. Mephisto created the Hex to leech off of Wanda. Darcy is secretly Mephisto. Evan Peters is Mephisto. Evan Peters is Nightmare. Grim Reaper is one of the antagonist. Wanda reanimated Vision corpse. Dottie is secretly a witch. Dottie is secretly Clea. Dottie is secretly Mephisto. Dottie is secretly Nightmare. Agnes was Mephisto. Agnes was Nightmare. Agnes rabbit is Mephisto. Evan Peters is Quicksilver from fox universe. Evan Peters is Pietro reincarnated. The Mail man is a Sword undercover Agent. White Vision is Ultron reborn. Doctor Strange fights Agnes to save Wanda. Baron Mordo shows up with Doctor Strange and kills Agatha Harkness. Agatha Harkness eats the Twins and consumes their powers. Agatha Harkness is the rape child of Nightmare/Mephisto and targets Wanda because of it (this is wild) The citizens of Westville are dead and are under Nightmare control to mess with Wanda. Wanda uses her powers to create Mutants. Wanda surrenders herself to Mephisto and bares his children (pretty sure this dude has a fucked up rape fetish with wanda)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 19:13:06 GMT 1
Am I the only one who doesn’t even know who MEMPHISTO is?
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Mar 10, 2021 19:24:52 GMT 1
Am I the only one who doesn’t even know who MEMPHISTO is? He started out being the Marvel Universe equivalent of Satan before Marvel added Satan from the Christian Mythology. He's been a big antagonist in the comics and has clashed with Doctor Strange, Ghost Rider, Spider-man, The Avengers and even Doctor Doom at one point.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 10, 2021 20:13:34 GMT 1
I'm genuinely surprised at how many people think it's fun to treat fandom like sports betting. That's okay though, I'm officially dismounting my high horse on this issue to get on a pony instead - Death Man abides.
In the spirit of joining the speculation party, here are some of my favorites from the WandaVision Mega thread on Reddit - Enjoy.
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Post by Grandmaster on Mar 10, 2021 20:44:12 GMT 1
People are idiots. I like to speculate but it is always in the guess what will happen. When it doesnt come true I dont get angry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 22:17:27 GMT 1
Am I the only one who doesn’t even know who MEMPHISTO is? He started out being the Marvel Universe equivalent of Satan before Marvel added Satan from the Christian Mythology. He's been a big antagonist in the comics and has clashed with Doctor Strange, Ghost Rider, Spider-man, The Avengers and even Doctor Doom at one point. Oh!
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Mar 10, 2021 22:32:35 GMT 1
He started out being the Marvel Universe equivalent of Satan Oh!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 23:01:29 GMT 1
He started out being the Marvel Universe equivalent of Satan before Marvel added Satan from the Christian Mythology. He's been a big antagonist in the comics and has clashed with Doctor Strange, Ghost Rider, Spider-man, The Avengers and even Doctor Doom at one point. Oh! He's also supposed to be the same demon from the Faust legend.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Mar 10, 2021 23:40:48 GMT 1
He's also supposed to be the same demon from the Faust legend.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 2:17:26 GMT 1
We should make a list of all the WandaVision theories that were wrong. I'd start with the one that said the whole thing was a plot by some big bad to get Wanda's children and use their power. I'm down with this! Here's the one's I've seen that didn't come true: Agnes is working with Mephisto. Agnes is possessed by Nightmare. Mephisto created the Hex to leech off of Wanda. Darcy is secretly Mephisto. Evan Peters is Mephisto. Evan Peters is Nightmare. Grim Reaper is one of the antagonist. Wanda reanimated Vision corpse. Dottie is secretly a witch. Dottie is secretly Clea. Dottie is secretly Mephisto. Dottie is secretly Nightmare. Agnes was Mephisto. Agnes was Nightmare. Agnes rabbit is Mephisto. Evan Peters is Quicksilver from fox universe. Evan Peters is Pietro reincarnated. The Mail man is a Sword undercover Agent. White Vision is Ultron reborn. Doctor Strange fights Agnes to save Wanda. Baron Mordo shows up with Doctor Strange and kills Agatha Harkness. Agatha Harkness eats the Twins and consumes their powers. Agatha Harkness is the rape child of Nightmare/Mephisto and targets Wanda because of it (this is wild) The citizens of Westville are dead and are under Nightmare control to mess with Wanda. Wanda uses her powers to create Mutants. Wanda surrenders herself to Mephisto and bares his children (pretty sure this dude has a fucked up rape fetish with wanda) lol Baron Mordo shows up with Doctor Strange and kills Agatha Harkness.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 15, 2021 0:00:34 GMT 1
Obviously Wandavision didn't follow a single thing anyone, whether here or elsewhere online, theorized about the show. Maybe we should give theorizing a rest for The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and every future MCU project. Because it obviously ain't doing any good. I was thinking about this a bit. Obviously all the higher power stuff didn’t pan out but some other stuff loosely played out. Agatha did use the kids. The kids did die in a sense. Wanda didn't create house of M but she did show an ability to generate alternate realities and it does looks like she’s about to open up some others to find her kids. Classic vision is gone. So some of that went at least in the direction of predictions HOWEVER! I fully agree we shouldn’t go too far with this stuff. I’m sorry but anybody upset over Foxverse Quicksilver didn’t see the writing on the wall or that it was never a quality or necessary idea to connect to Fox. As I’ve said all along, the MCU isn’t everybody else’s playground, and you don’t just shove somebody else’s work into your own. It’s weird.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 0:10:00 GMT 1
Obviously Wandavision didn't follow a single thing anyone, whether here or elsewhere online, theorized about the show. Maybe we should give theorizing a rest for The Falcon and the Winter Soldier and every future MCU project. Because it obviously ain't doing any good. I was thinking about this a bit. Obviously all the higher power stuff didn’t pan out but some other stuff loosely played out. Agatha did use the kids. The kids did die in a sense. Wanda didn't create house of M but she did show an ability to generate alternate realities and it does looks like she’s about to open up some others to find her kids. Classic vision is gone. So some of that went at least in the direction of predictions HOWEVER! I fully agree we shouldn’t go too far with this stuff. I’m sorry but anybody upset over Foxverse Quicksilver didn’t see the writing on the wall or that it was never a quality or necessary idea to connect to Fox. As I’ve said all along, the MCU isn’t everybody else’s playground, and you don’t just shove somebody else’s work into your own. It’s weird. I never cared about that, personally. My theory that the X Men will come from the multiverse never included the Fox version until Evans showed up. And even then I thought (however temporarily) that they would use him like they seem to be using Molina and Foxx in the Spidery multiverse. (Not the same exact versions, just the same actors) But that being said: doesn’t Marvel carry some responsibility for this too? Why did they use Evans anyway? At best it was a tacky meta joke, at worst you could argue that they were deliberately trolling fans of the X Men movies. Either way it seems gratuitous and unnecessary so they shouldn’t be shocked that some people were disappointed in the end because of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2021 0:13:06 GMT 1
I was thinking about this a bit. Obviously all the higher power stuff didn’t pan out but some other stuff loosely played out. Agatha did use the kids. The kids did die in a sense. Wanda didn't create house of M but she did show an ability to generate alternate realities and it does looks like she’s about to open up some others to find her kids. Classic vision is gone. So some of that went at least in the direction of predictions HOWEVER! I fully agree we shouldn’t go too far with this stuff. I’m sorry but anybody upset over Foxverse Quicksilver didn’t see the writing on the wall or that it was never a quality or necessary idea to connect to Fox. As I’ve said all along, the MCU isn’t everybody else’s playground, and you don’t just shove somebody else’s work into your own. It’s weird. I never cared about that, personally. My theory that the X Men will come from the multiverse never included the Fox version until Evans showed up. And even then I thought (however temporarily) that they would use him like they seem to be using Molina and Foxx in the Spidery multiverse. (Not the same exact versions, just the same actors) But that being said: doesn’t Marvel carry some responsibility for this too? Why did they use Evans anyway? At best it was a tacky meta joke, at worst you could argue that they were deliberately trolling fans of the X Men movies. Either way it seems gratuitous and unnecessary so they shouldn’t be shocked that some people were disappointed in the end because of it. No. Because Marvel Studios has a long history of pulling a "Gotcha!" on their audiences across several films in the MCU. The only people who were disappointed by this outcome were people who wanted to be disappointed.
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