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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 1, 2021 9:28:53 GMT 1
Its highly unlikely shows and movies that are made by and for streaming services will make it to physical media one day. Its not in the companies best interest. Putting stuff out on physical media will hurt their subscriptions. And the companies will say you will have access to their properties in high quality anywhere on your devices.
So I guess its time for the fandom to evolve too. And drop the need for collecting. How hard the blow is I dont think we have much choice.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 1, 2021 14:35:06 GMT 1
The majority of the Marvel Netflix shows came out on DVD and Blu-Ray. Corporations know there's still a large portion of the public and the fandom addicted to their landfill stuffers. Disney hasn't announced one way or the other if they're going to end physical media production. As long as is there is a market for them, they'll keep making them.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Feb 1, 2021 18:41:39 GMT 1
Its highly unlikely shows and movies that are made by and for streaming services will make it to physical media one day. Its not in the companies best interest. Putting stuff out on physical media will hurt their subscriptions. And the companies will say you will have access to their properties in high quality anywhere on your devices. So I guess its time for the fandom to evolve too. And drop the need for collecting. How hard the blow is I dont think we have much choice. I thought it might be a hard move, but I think I’ve weened myself off the “must have the hard copy” addiction faster than I thought. LDM brings up in an interesting point that they have continued to sell DVDs but I do think the time is coming where it will no longer exist.
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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 1, 2021 18:57:22 GMT 1
The majority of the Marvel Netflix shows came out on DVD and Blu-Ray. Corporations know there's still a large portion of the public and the fandom addicted to their landfill stuffers. Disney hasn't announced one way or the other if they're going to end physical media production. As long as is there is a market for them, they'll keep making them. Well the Marvel Netflix shows did come to DVD but that was a few years ago. And the revenue of the streaming went to Netflix, not Disney/Marvel. See The Mandalorian. The first season was never released. Not even a announcement made. I would be very surprised to see a home media release. Its a matter of time before the fabricators of electronic devices like Sony and Samsung stop to produce the players because less and less series are coming to home media. Its safe to say we are in the endgame now.
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Post by Grandmaster on Feb 1, 2021 18:59:33 GMT 1
Its highly unlikely shows and movies that are made by and for streaming services will make it to physical media one day. Its not in the companies best interest. Putting stuff out on physical media will hurt their subscriptions. And the companies will say you will have access to their properties in high quality anywhere on your devices. So I guess its time for the fandom to evolve too. And drop the need for collecting. How hard the blow is I dont think we have much choice. I thought it might be a hard move, but I think I’ve weened myself off the “must have the hard copy” addiction faster than I thought. LDM brings up in an interesting point that they have continued to sell DVDs but I do think the time is coming where it will no longer exist. Well the collector in me will think its a bloody shame if the shows dont come to DVD. It means there will be gaps in my collection.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Feb 1, 2021 19:00:41 GMT 1
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 1, 2021 19:02:50 GMT 1
Its highly unlikely shows and movies that are made by and for streaming services will make it to physical media one day. Its not in the companies best interest. Putting stuff out on physical media will hurt their subscriptions. And the companies will say you will have access to their properties in high quality anywhere on your devices. So I guess its time for the fandom to evolve too. And drop the need for collecting. How hard the blow is I dont think we have much choice. I thought it might be a hard move, but I think I’ve weened myself off the “must have the hard copy” addiction faster than I thought. LDM brings up in an interesting point that they have continued to sell DVDs but I do think the time is coming where it will no longer exist. The death of the DVD: Why sales dropped more than 86% in 13 years
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Post by Lord Death Man on Feb 2, 2021 1:10:43 GMT 1
Because they're inexpensive?
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Feb 2, 2021 1:21:07 GMT 1
Why do people still buy or read books? Because some people prefer physical media, something tangible that you can hold onto and have as yours. People collect all different things, some may collect DVDs. There's nothing wrong with that. I was forced to give up VHS tapes and our VCR (though we still have one. It's doesn't work great, but it's the only way I can watch the original Star Wars trilogy in it's non-'Special Edition' form) when DVDs were introduced. I now have almost double the amount of DVDs/Blu-rays to what I had on VHS. If the only way to watch shows ends up being online...then I guess I'll just watch fewer shows. No biggie. I've got more than enough DVDs/Blu-rays to keep me happy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 1:36:47 GMT 1
Why do people still buy or read books? Because some people prefer physical media, something tangible that you can hold onto and have as yours. People collect all different things, some may collect DVDs. There's nothing wrong with that. I was forced to give up VHS tapes and our VCR (though we still have one. It's doesn't work great, but it's the only way I can watch the original Star Wars trilogy in it's non-'Special Edition' form) when DVDs were introduced. I now have almost double the amount of DVDs/Blu-rays to what I had on VHS. If the only way to watch shows ends up being online...then I guess I'll just watch fewer shows. No biggie. I've got more than enough DVDs/Blu-rays to keep me happy. I know. It was just a joke
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Feb 2, 2021 1:47:45 GMT 1
Why do people still buy or read books? Because some people prefer physical media, something tangible that you can hold onto and have as yours. People collect all different things, some may collect DVDs. There's nothing wrong with that. I was forced to give up VHS tapes and our VCR (though we still have one. It's doesn't work great, but it's the only way I can watch the original Star Wars trilogy in it's non-'Special Edition' form) when DVDs were introduced. I now have almost double the amount of DVDs/Blu-rays to what I had on VHS. If the only way to watch shows ends up being online...then I guess I'll just watch fewer shows. No biggie. I've got more than enough DVDs/Blu-rays to keep me happy. I know. It was just a joke No, I get that. What I said in defense of DVDs/Blu-rays wasn't directed at you personally, just people in general who wonder why anyone still buys DVDs/Blu-rays.
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Post by Indiana Jones on Feb 8, 2021 18:45:33 GMT 1
Why do people still buy or read books? Because some people prefer physical media, something tangible that you can hold onto and have as yours. People collect all different things, some may collect DVDs. There's nothing wrong with that. I was forced to give up VHS tapes and our VCR (though we still have one. It's doesn't work great, but it's the only way I can watch the original Star Wars trilogy in it's non-'Special Edition' form) when DVDs were introduced. I now have almost double the amount of DVDs/Blu-rays to what I had on VHS. If the only way to watch shows ends up being online...then I guess I'll just watch fewer shows. No biggie. I've got more than enough DVDs/Blu-rays to keep me happy. Right? If streamers stop hiking the prices, maybe I'd subscribe to more of them. But I don't see that happening.
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Post by Grandmaster on Jun 21, 2021 4:37:58 GMT 1
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 21, 2021 16:49:59 GMT 1
I saw this story on comicbook.com. I don't think it amounts to more than clickbait for those who are riddled with anxiety over the lingering death of physical media. The report is so noncommital and riddled with caveats, I wouldn't say that it closes the door on physical media altogether. Releasing Blu-rays, at this time, is counterintuitive to Disney's goals, but I don't think that will remain the case indefinitely. WandaVision and The Falcon and the Winter Soldier still have new-subscriber potential. Their worldwide rollout of Disney+ is not complete. I believe markets like South Korea and Eastern Europe have yet to gain access. Why release DVDs or Blu-rays until you've maxed out your subscriber potential? There will probably be limited edition, overpriced physical media releases in a couple of years. I do agree with the idea that collecting physical media is fast becoming a thing of the past. After we wrapped the Podcast on Saturday, I had a Blu-ray disc or player malfunction in the Death Man household. It almost ruined movie night.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jun 21, 2021 17:30:56 GMT 1
I've had far more streaming malfunctions than I've ever had disc or player malfunctions.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 21, 2021 17:53:41 GMT 1
Well, then, that’s too bad for me. But I’m sticking to my guns and not getting another streaming service. I have Netflix through my uncle, HBO-Max through my cable provider, Apple on which I still have a few free movies to get, and a discounted Amazon Prime. When Apple runs out of the free movies, Amazon drops the discount, and Netflix figures out a way to ban piggybacking on a different household’s account, I’m out.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 21, 2021 19:05:00 GMT 1
Well, then, that’s too bad for me. But I’m sticking to my guns and not getting another streaming service. I have Netflix through my uncle, HBO-Max through my cable provider, Apple on which I still have a few free movies to get, and a discounted Amazon Prime. When Apple runs out of the free movies, Amazon drops the discount, and Netflix figures out a way to ban piggybacking on a different household’s account, I’m out. A valid strategy... It's interesting to see how different people manage their streaming consumption and spending. Making spreadsheets of my spending on streaming is a guilty pleasure of mine. As a born budgeter, I tend to set boundaries on monthly spending for streaming and similar subscriptions as a whole. This allows me to acquire any streaming services so long as they fall within predetermined spending limits. If I want access to another steaming service that will exceed my budget, I usually resort to the buddy system. Until recently, I was paying for extravagant services like removing all of the ads from YouTube (a 9.99 USD per month privilege). I went back to the ad subsidized version to save money, and the result is I watch YouTube a whole lot less.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 21, 2021 20:42:12 GMT 1
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jun 22, 2021 1:04:41 GMT 1
Yeah, real nice of them to cut off people from being able to view their shows that are limited to streaming only. Never mind the fact that people who can't afford or don't want to get streaming have probably loyally followed the MCU films and were really excited to watch the shows. Saying, "Nope, no DVDs/Blu-rays. Only streaming!" is just excluding a certain percentage of fans. And trying to bully/pressure people into streaming is not a good look. I'm used to missing out on things I enjoy. Numerous shows have had their first season/first few seasons released on DVD/Blu-ray here, then they haven't bothered releasing the rest of them. Shows such as Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist (just to name a few) are ones I've seen the first seasons of (and in the case of DD, I saw the second season too), but no other ones have been released here and I don't think they ever will, which is majorly disappointing, but I'll live. It's the same with WandaVision. This was the show I was most excited for and the only one that really interested me, I love the character of Wanda and probably would've very much enjoyed the show...but making it that the only way I can see it is via streaming?
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 22, 2021 2:57:15 GMT 1
Yeah, real nice of them to cut off people from being able to view their shows that are limited to streaming only. Never mind the fact that people who can't afford or don't want to get streaming have probably loyally followed the MCU films and were really excited to watch the shows. Saying, "Nope, no DVDs/Blu-rays. Only streaming!" is just excluding a certain percentage of fans. And trying to bully/pressure people into streaming is not a good look. I'm used to missing out on things I enjoy. Numerous shows have had their first season/first few seasons released on DVD/Blu-ray here, then they haven't bothered releasing the rest of them. Shows such as Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist (just to name a few) are ones I've seen the first seasons of (and in the case of DD, I saw the second season too), but no other ones have been released here and I don't think they ever will, which is majorly disappointing, but I'll live. It's the same with WandaVision. This was the show I was most excited for and the only one that really interested me, I love the character of Wanda and probably would've very much enjoyed the show...but making it that the only way I can see it is via streaming? This. 100% this.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Jun 22, 2021 20:45:36 GMT 1
Yeah, real nice of them to cut off people from being able to view their shows that are limited to streaming only. Never mind the fact that people who can't afford or don't want to get streaming have probably loyally followed the MCU films and were really excited to watch the shows. Saying, "Nope, no DVDs/Blu-rays. Only streaming!" is just excluding a certain percentage of fans. And trying to bully/pressure people into streaming is not a good look. I'm used to missing out on things I enjoy. Numerous shows have had their first season/first few seasons released on DVD/Blu-ray here, then they haven't bothered releasing the rest of them. Shows such as Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist (just to name a few) are ones I've seen the first seasons of (and in the case of DD, I saw the second season too), but no other ones have been released here and I don't think they ever will, which is majorly disappointing, but I'll live. It's the same with WandaVision. This was the show I was most excited for and the only one that really interested me, I love the character of Wanda and probably would've very much enjoyed the show...but making it that the only way I can see it is via streaming?
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Jun 22, 2021 20:46:46 GMT 1
Why do people still buy or read books? Because some people prefer physical media, something tangible that you can hold onto and have as yours. People collect all different things, some may collect DVDs. There's nothing wrong with that. I was forced to give up VHS tapes and our VCR (though we still have one. It's doesn't work great, but it's the only way I can watch the original Star Wars trilogy in it's non-'Special Edition' form) when DVDs were introduced. I now have almost double the amount of DVDs/Blu-rays to what I had on VHS. If the only way to watch shows ends up being online...then I guess I'll just watch fewer shows. No biggie. I've got more than enough DVDs/Blu-rays to keep me happy.
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Post by Jayman on Jun 22, 2021 23:31:30 GMT 1
I'm generally a watch it once kinda guy so I try to avoid buying dvd's.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 23, 2021 1:13:32 GMT 1
Why do people still buy or read books? Because some people prefer physical media, something tangible that you can hold onto and have as yours. People collect all different things, some may collect DVDs. There's nothing wrong with that. I was forced to give up VHS tapes and our VCR (though we still have one. It's doesn't work great, but it's the only way I can watch the original Star Wars trilogy in it's non-'Special Edition' form) when DVDs were introduced. I now have almost double the amount of DVDs/Blu-rays to what I had on VHS. If the only way to watch shows ends up being online...then I guess I'll just watch fewer shows. No biggie. I've got more than enough DVDs/Blu-rays to keep me happy. Forgive me but, I don't get it. Is it the medium of streaming you're against, or is it the economic model? Before there were books or the written word, people told each other stories orally. Then a written record of what was said came along. The artifact was now permanent and, for the most part, immutable. Despite all of the innovations and advantages of the printed word, I'll bet there were oral-tradition holdouts when portable books made their stunning debut. I'm sure some people said, "why do I have to "buy" this heavy, cumbersome object, find a place to store it, plus invest in learning how to decipher it? I would rather just go to the town square and have Herotatus or some such tell it to me." The physical media vs. streaming dichotomy is not quite as extreme as my hyperbolic example, but it does have this fight-the-future flavor. As a collector of many things, it would be hypocritical to tell physical-media aficionados that they can't own something. But here's the thing... What if I told you that 30 years from now, everything ever broadcast on television, filmed for theaters, or produced for any other commercial purpose would all be available to you - in any language - free of charge - in a massive digital library where any of it could be pulled up and viewed in any context with a mere verbal request? Would you still want the coasters? Would it be the artistry behind the thing, then? Even if it were possible to watch a segment of The Thing from Another World, pause, and then compare the same sequence from its 1981 remake all in the time it takes to find a lost remote? Imagine it all quantified, cataloged, and tagged so that retrieval, playback, and cross-referencing were as simple as breathing? Would the stories be any less valuable because you lack a physical artifact? I collect physical comic books for their nostalgic value. I know their production is harmful to the environment. I know they're generally more expensive to own and more time-consuming to maintain, but I still love to do it. The thing is, I'm 100% aware of the irrationality behind my hobby, and when the curtain falls on physical comic book publishing, there won't be much protesting from me. It would simply be the end of an era.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 23, 2021 2:56:42 GMT 1
Forgive me but, I don't get it. Is it the medium of streaming you're against, or is it the economic model? Before there were books or the written word, people told each other stories orally. Then a written record of what was said came along. The artifact was now permanent and, for the most part, immutable. Despite all of the innovations and advantages of the printed word, I'll bet there were oral-tradition holdouts when portable books made their stunning debut. I'm sure some people said, "why do I have to "buy" this heavy, cumbersome object, find a place to store it, plus invest in learning how to decipher it? I would rather just go to the town square and have Herotatus or some such tell it to me." The physical media vs. streaming dichotomy is not quite as extreme as my hyperbolic example, but it does have this fight-the-future flavor. As a collector of many things, it would be hypocritical to tell physical-media aficionados that they can't own something. But here's the thing... What if I told you that 30 years from now, everything ever broadcast on television, filmed for theaters, or produced for any other commercial purpose would all be available to you - in any language - free of charge - in a massive digital library where any of it could be pulled up and viewed in any context with a mere verbal request? Would you still want the coasters? Would it be the artistry behind the thing, then? Even if it were possible to watch a segment of The Thing from Another World, pause, and then compare the same sequence from its 1981 remake all in the time it takes to find a lost remote? Imagine it all quantified, cataloged, and tagged so that retrieval, playback, and cross-referencing were as simple as breathing? Would the stories be any less valuable because you lack a physical artifact? I collect physical comic books for their nostalgic value. I know their production is harmful to the environment. I know they're generally more expensive to own and more time-consuming to maintain, but I still love to do it. The thing is, I'm 100% aware of the irrationality behind my hobby, and when the curtain falls on physical comic book publishing, there won't be much protesting from me. It would simply be the end of an era. Clearly I’m not Chalice, but to speak for myself, yes, I would still want physical copies of movies. Less so, to be sure, than I want to keep physical copies of books; if we start getting rid of physical books and asking people, “Why are you fighting the future?,” then I’ll know we’re doomed as a civilization. Why is that? Well, physical copies are solid things—I can touch them and feel them. I can’t do that with pixels. Physical books also involve all the senses except for taste (and even that, if you’re a baby): the sight of the jacket and words, the smell of the paper, the sound of the pages, the touch of the thing as a whole. And books are conduits for emotion; I have so many dog-eared old copies of books passed down from family members that have something special about them, something that reminds me of people I love and have lost. You simply can’t get that with even the best Kindle/Nook/iPad copy. Getting back to the subject at hand, I appreciate the ease of streaming. I’d be a hypocrite and a liar if I said I completely hate it. But a DVD or a BluRay is mine in a way that a streamed movie isn’t. A streamed movie is essentially a communal thing that you get to borrow; I want something I own, something I know is mine. Because streaming is ultimately communal, that raises other questions: What if the owner of your hypothetically complete movie collection decides it shouldn’t include a movie anymore? What if it decides that Gone With the Wind is just too racist to allow on its service? What if every platform decides that? Then what happens to Gone With the Wind—which is flawed, to be sure, but still a work of art that should be seen? Or what if—perhaps even worse—Completeflix decides to reedit Gone With the Wind with computer effects to remove the “bad stuff”? Then something called Gone With the Wind exists, but it’s certainly not what it was before. None of that is science-fictional to assume anymore, and what we scoff at one day is becoming received opinion the next. Keeping discs, at least as long as we can, is some sort of bastion against a loss of physicality that is in a way is a loss of reality. If the future is one of increased censorship and conformity, then I’m delighted we have people fighting it. It’s not a place I, for one, would like to go.
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Post by The Phantom Menace on Jun 23, 2021 4:04:52 GMT 1
Forgive me but, I don't get it. Is it the medium of streaming you're against, or is it the economic model? Before there were books or the written word, people told each other stories orally. Then a written record of what was said came along. The artifact was now permanent and, for the most part, immutable. Despite all of the innovations and advantages of the printed word, I'll bet there were oral-tradition holdouts when portable books made their stunning debut. I'm sure some people said, "why do I have to "buy" this heavy, cumbersome object, find a place to store it, plus invest in learning how to decipher it? I would rather just go to the town square and have Herotatus or some such tell it to me." The physical media vs. streaming dichotomy is not quite as extreme as my hyperbolic example, but it does have this fight-the-future flavor. As a collector of many things, it would be hypocritical to tell physical-media aficionados that they can't own something. But here's the thing... What if I told you that 30 years from now, everything ever broadcast on television, filmed for theaters, or produced for any other commercial purpose would all be available to you - in any language - free of charge - in a massive digital library where any of it could be pulled up and viewed in any context with a mere verbal request? Would you still want the coasters? Would it be the artistry behind the thing, then? Even if it were possible to watch a segment of The Thing from Another World, pause, and then compare the same sequence from its 1981 remake all in the time it takes to find a lost remote? Imagine it all quantified, cataloged, and tagged so that retrieval, playback, and cross-referencing were as simple as breathing? Would the stories be any less valuable because you lack a physical artifact? I collect physical comic books for their nostalgic value. I know their production is harmful to the environment. I know they're generally more expensive to own and more time-consuming to maintain, but I still love to do it. The thing is, I'm 100% aware of the irrationality behind my hobby, and when the curtain falls on physical comic book publishing, there won't be much protesting from me. It would simply be the end of an era. Clearly I’m not Chalice, but to speak for myself, yes, I would still want physical copies of movies. Less so, to be sure, than I want to keep physical copies of books; if we start getting rid of physical books and asking people, “Why are you fighting the future?,” then I’ll know we’re doomed as a civilization. Why is that? Well, physical copies are solid things—I can touch them and feel them. I can’t do that with pixels. Physical books also involve all the senses except for taste (and even that, if you’re a baby): the sight of the jacket and words, the smell of the paper, the sound of the pages, the touch of the thing as a whole. And books are conduits for emotion; I have so many dog-eared old copies of books passed down from family members that have something special about them, something that reminds me of people I love and have lost. You simply can’t get that with even the best Kindle/Nook/iPad copy. Getting back to the subject at hand, I appreciate the ease of streaming. I’d be a hypocrite and a liar if I said I completely hate it. But a DVD or a BluRay is mine in a way that a streamed movie isn’t. A streamed movie is essentially a communal thing that you get to borrow; I want something I own, something I know is mine. Because streaming is ultimately communal, that raises other questions: What if the owner of your hypothetically complete movie collection decides it shouldn’t include a movie anymore? What if it decides that Gone With the Wind is just too racist to be permit on its service? What if every platform decides that? Then what happens to Gone With the Wind—which is flawed, to be sure, but still a work of art that should be seen? Or what if—perhaps even worse—Completeflix decides to reedit Gone With the Wind with computer effects to remove the “bad stuff”? Then something called Gone With the Wind exists, but it’s certainly not what it was before. None of that is science-fictional to assume anymore, and what we scoff at one day is quickly becoming received opinion the next. Keeping discs, at least as long as we can, is some sort of bastion against a loss of physicality that is in a way is a loss of reality. If the future is one of increased censorship and conformity, then I’m delighted we have people fighting it. It’s not a place I, for one, would like to go.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 23, 2021 7:43:23 GMT 1
Forgive me but, I don't get it. Is it the medium of streaming you're against, or is it the economic model? Before there were books or the written word, people told each other stories orally. Then a written record of what was said came along. The artifact was now permanent and, for the most part, immutable. Despite all of the innovations and advantages of the printed word, I'll bet there were oral-tradition holdouts when portable books made their stunning debut. I'm sure some people said, "why do I have to "buy" this heavy, cumbersome object, find a place to store it, plus invest in learning how to decipher it? I would rather just go to the town square and have Herotatus or some such tell it to me." The physical media vs. streaming dichotomy is not quite as extreme as my hyperbolic example, but it does have this fight-the-future flavor. As a collector of many things, it would be hypocritical to tell physical-media aficionados that they can't own something. But here's the thing... What if I told you that 30 years from now, everything ever broadcast on television, filmed for theaters, or produced for any other commercial purpose would all be available to you - in any language - free of charge - in a massive digital library where any of it could be pulled up and viewed in any context with a mere verbal request? Would you still want the coasters? Would it be the artistry behind the thing, then? Even if it were possible to watch a segment of The Thing from Another World, pause, and then compare the same sequence from its 1981 remake all in the time it takes to find a lost remote? Imagine it all quantified, cataloged, and tagged so that retrieval, playback, and cross-referencing were as simple as breathing? Would the stories be any less valuable because you lack a physical artifact? I collect physical comic books for their nostalgic value. I know their production is harmful to the environment. I know they're generally more expensive to own and more time-consuming to maintain, but I still love to do it. The thing is, I'm 100% aware of the irrationality behind my hobby, and when the curtain falls on physical comic book publishing, there won't be much protesting from me. It would simply be the end of an era. Clearly I’m not Chalice, but to speak for myself, yes, I would still want physical copies of movies. Less so, to be sure, than I want to keep physical copies of books; if we start getting rid of physical books and asking people, “Why are you fighting the future?,” then I’ll know we’re doomed as a civilization. Why is that? Well, physical copies are solid things—I can touch them and feel them. I can’t do that with pixels. Physical books also involve all the senses except for taste (and even that, if you’re a baby): the sight of the jacket and words, the smell of the paper, the sound of the pages, the touch of the thing as a whole. And books are conduits for emotion; I have so many dog-eared old copies of books passed down from family members that have something special about them, something that reminds me of people I love and have lost. You simply can’t get that with even the best Kindle/Nook/iPad copy. Getting back to the subject at hand, I appreciate the ease of streaming. I’d be a hypocrite and a liar if I said I completely hate it. But a DVD or a BluRay is mine in a way that a streamed movie isn’t. A streamed movie is essentially a communal thing that you get to borrow; I want something I own, something I know is mine. Because streaming is ultimately communal, that raises other questions: What if the owner of your hypothetically complete movie collection decides it shouldn’t include a movie anymore? What if it decides that Gone With the Wind is just too racist to allow on its service? What if every platform decides that? Then what happens to Gone With the Wind—which is flawed, to be sure, but still a work of art that should be seen? Or what if—perhaps even worse—Completeflix decides to reedit Gone With the Wind with computer effects to remove the “bad stuff”? Then something called Gone With the Wind exists, but it’s certainly not what it was before. None of that is science-fictional to assume anymore, and what we scoff at one day is becoming received opinion the next. Keeping discs, at least as long as we can, is some sort of bastion against a loss of physicality that is in a way is a loss of reality. If the future is one of increased censorship and conformity, then I’m delighted we have people fighting it. It’s not a place I, for one, would like to go. Much of your arguments have merit, but at the same time, their inherent cynicism is enough to make me understand why the arousal that physical media can cause would not only be desired but desperately needed in such a dark future. It's positively Orwellian. Let's move the clock 100 years into the future, where WE own the stories, and all claims towards centralized ownership are mere anecdotal footnotes in some digitized text. The public domain as the only domain, if you will. As we understand them, movies will likely become the purview of anthropologists who struggle to understand our lizard-brain impulses behind ownership and consumption. Fear not, the hypothetical movie compendium will contain the original release, the redacted version, and strange and wonderful new recombinations of the two we've yet to conceive. The edited version of a thing tells us just as much about ourselves as a species as the original. How silly we could be and how easily frightened. I'm not trying to deny that physical objects are indeed a "conduit for emotion" in the human animal. It's a curious and frankly cumbersome neurological quirk that seems at odds with the go-getter aesthetics of evolution and survival of the fittest. I wonder. Did my ancestor have time to ruminate underneath the spreading chestnut tree where he shared his first hungry kiss with Ms. neanderthal? I think not, less the predators just outside of earshot make a meal of him. Of course, my arguments are couched in metaphysics and fantastic futures with hyper-evolved women and men who pursue knowledge and askew sentimentality. I project this far to demonstrate what is at stake. Streaming is the beginning of something new. It is far from perfect, but its evolution is something that we can't turn away from because it lacks physicality. Much like Tony Stark, I'm a futurist. It saddens me that you and many others can't make the journey with me to this not-so-distant shore. I want pure experiences, zero apparatus, zero interface, zero filter - just the beautiful and uncanny horror of a pixel-perfect objective truth juxtaposed against my misremembered and imperfect recollection of a thing.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Jun 23, 2021 14:47:50 GMT 1
Much like Tony Stark, I'm a futurist. It saddens me that you and many others can't make the journey with me to this not-so-distant shore. I want pure experiences, zero apparatus, zero interface, zero filter - just the beautiful and uncanny horror of a pixel-perfect objective truth juxtaposed against my misremembered and imperfect recollection of a thing. If we’re doing MCU comparisons, then I’m “much like” Steve Rogers. And I’m more than fine with that. Also, I despise being pitied and sure as hell don’t appreciate that “saddens” crack. I’m perfectly content with who I am.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 23, 2021 15:27:08 GMT 1
Much like Tony Stark, I'm a futurist. It saddens me that you and many others can't make the journey with me to this not-so-distant shore. I want pure experiences, zero apparatus, zero interface, zero filter - just the beautiful and uncanny horror of a pixel-perfect objective truth juxtaposed against my misremembered and imperfect recollection of a thing. If we’re doing MCU comparisons, then I’m “much like” Steve Rogers. And I’m more than fine with that. Also, I despise being pitied and sure as hell don’t appreciate that “saddens” crack. I’m perfectly content with who I am. Apologies if you took offense; that was certainly not intended. If there is anyone that should be pitied, it's me. I stand alone, and regardless of whether I like it or not, I must be content with that.
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