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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 3, 2020 6:10:46 GMT 1
Forget the 'Snyder Cut' of Justice League, the only movie I'd really be interested in seeing an alternate cut of would be Rogue One. I know they changed the ending, for example (and there were shots in the trailer that weren't in the movie at all).
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 3, 2020 18:01:57 GMT 1
Rogue One was fantastic and Grand Moff Tarkin was awesome!
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Dec 3, 2020 18:07:39 GMT 1
Forget the 'Snyder Cut' of Justice League, the only movie I'd really be interested in seeing an alternate cut of would be Rogue One. I know they changed the ending, for example (and there were shots in the trailer that weren't in the movie at all). There was an alternate ending, but I think it was only scripted, and not actually shot. It ended with the gang flying to Coruscant and then "beaming" the plans to Leia's ship ( which was leaving Coruscant ) right before getting destroyed.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 3, 2020 22:46:27 GMT 1
Forget the 'Snyder Cut' of Justice League, the only movie I'd really be interested in seeing an alternate cut of would be Rogue One. I know they changed the ending, for example (and there were shots in the trailer that weren't in the movie at all). There was an alternate ending, but I think it was only scripted, and not actually shot. It ended with the gang flying to Coruscant and then "beaming" the plans to Leia's ship ( which was leaving Coruscant ) right before getting destroyed. Interesting. I thought I read somewhere that in the original ending, Jyn and Cassian lived. I also remember a shot from the trailer involving a Tie Fighter flying up to Jyn and her walking towards it holding a gun. From the sounds of it, the movie would've been quite a bit different originally (then again, I guess you can't trust everything you read on the internet. Shocking, I know).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 1:45:26 GMT 1
6) The Force Awakens
You heard Star Wars was back. But you weren’t sure. Then someone else said it. Star Wars is back. You watched the trailer. It had Chewbacca in it! And Han Solo! Is Stars Wars back? You went all in. The prequels were ten years ago after all. You were ready to love again! You wore your best Darth Vader t shirt to the theater. You saw X Wings on the big screen again! And tie fighters! And storming stormtroopers! Look! They’re storming! That’s so cool! And... is that? It is! It’s Admiral Ackbar! Sweet Mother of Mon Mothra! Star Wars IS back!
But then you noticed something. This wasn’t just familiar. It was too familiar! A desert planet. Where have I seen that before? Wait- Is that another Death Star?! No. No. It’s okay. That’s a Starkiller. Wait... what’s the difference. An X Wing trench run, That IS another Death Star! It’s almost like some soulless studio decided to manipulate you with all the old iconography. Is there anything new in this thing? The droid is a ball. That’s new. Kinda. R2 wasn’t a ball. Was he? No, he wasn’t. So... Star Wars is still back, right?
Sure it is! At least these characters are charming and the dialogue is witty. So long wooden prequels! Star Wars is BACK! But... why do you care about these characters? Is this Rey person really that interesting? Why the hell is she so good at everything? You have to keep repeating it now, Star Wars is back. Star Wars is back. Star Wars is back.
You go home and pretend you liked it. Everyone else did it seems. Days go by. Did you really like it? Watch it again. Not so thrilling. Not so fun. Not so... good. Not at all. Star Wars is back? Star Wars is dead. Goodbye Star Wars
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 4, 2020 2:51:15 GMT 1
STAR WARS: EPISODE 16: BROOM BOY STEPS IN HORSE SHIT! STAR WARS: EPISODE 17: BROOM BOY STEPS IN HORSE SHIT AGAIN! Evidently Broom Boy is a slow learner. 6) The Force Awakens You heard Star Wars was back. But you weren’t sure. Then someone else said it. Star Wars is back. You watched the trailer. It had Chewbacca in it! And Han Solo! Is Stars Wars back? You went all in. The prequels were ten years ago after all. You were ready to love again! You wore your best Darth Vader t shirt to the theater. You saw X Wings on the big screen again! And tie fighters! And storming stormtroopers! Look! They’re storming! That’s so cool! And... is that? It is! It’s Admiral Ackbar! Sweet Mother of Mon Mothra! Star Wars IS back! But then you noticed something. This wasn’t just familiar. It was too familiar! A desert planet. Where have I seen that before? Wait- Is that another Death Star?! No. No. It’s okay. That’s a Starkiller. Wait... what’s the difference. An X Wing trench run, That IS another Death Star! It’s almost like some soulless studio decided to manipulate you with all the old iconography. Is there anything new in this thing? The droid is a ball. That’s new. Kinda. R2 wasn’t a ball. Was he? No, he wasn’t. So... Star Wars is still back, right? Sure it is! At least these characters are charming and the dialogue is witty. So long wooden prequels! Star Wars is BACK! But... why do you care about these characters? Is this Rey person really that interesting? Why the hell is she so good at everything? You have to keep repeating it now, Star Wars is back. Star Wars is back. Star Wars is back. You go home and pretend you liked it. Everyone else did it seems. Days go by. Did you really like it? Watch it again. Not so thrilling. Not so fun. Not so... good. Not at all. Star Wars is back? Star Wars is dead. Goodbye Star Wars
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 4, 2020 3:39:43 GMT 1
TFA was the most awesome Star Wars since the last more awesome Star Wars!
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Dec 4, 2020 3:57:47 GMT 1
6) The Force Awakens You heard Star Wars was back. But you weren’t sure. Then someone else said it. Star Wars is back. You watched the trailer. It had Chewbacca in it! And Han Solo! Is Stars Wars back? You went all in. The prequels were ten years ago after all. You were ready to love again! You wore your best Darth Vader t shirt to the theater. You saw X Wings on the big screen again! And tie fighters! And storming stormtroopers! Look! They’re storming! That’s so cool! And... is that? It is! It’s Admiral Ackbar! Sweet Mother of Mon Mothra! Star Wars IS back! But then you noticed something. This wasn’t just familiar. It was too familiar! A desert planet. Where have I seen that before? Wait- Is that another Death Star?! No. No. It’s okay. That’s a Starkiller. Wait... what’s the difference. An X Wing trench run, That IS another Death Star! It’s almost like some soulless studio decided to manipulate you with all the old iconography. Is there anything new in this thing? The droid is a ball. That’s new. Kinda. R2 wasn’t a ball. Was he? No, he wasn’t. So... Star Wars is still back, right? Sure it is! At least these characters are charming and the dialogue is witty. So long wooden prequels! Star Wars is BACK! But... why do you care about these characters? Is this Rey person really that interesting? Why the hell is she so good at everything? You have to keep repeating it now, Star Wars is back. Star Wars is back. Star Wars is back. You go home and pretend you liked it. Everyone else did it seems. Days go by. Did you really like it? Watch it again. Not so thrilling. Not so fun. Not so... good. Not at all. Star Wars is back? Star Wars is dead. Goodbye Star Wars I’m not a fan of this one—at all, really. It’s the sequel I’ve probably seen bits and pieces of the most because it always seems to be on TV. Each time I sit down to watch any of it, though, I think it has some really solid ideas—making a stormtrooper the hero, coming up with a villain who worships Darth Vader, starting us off in the middle of some larger story with Max van Sydow—and makes nothing out of them. It just feels so corporate and focus-grouped and bland and, well, J.J. Abramsesque. Poor stormtrooper whose name I can’t remember—Finn! Yes, I looked that up. I like him, and he gets sidelined so quickly here. Gah. Harrison Ford gets nothing to do except die; to be fair, he probably wanted it that way. I can’t even really remember the third hero guy. They make it look like he dies but he doesn’t, right? I find Rey rather dull here (the scene where she tries to mind-control the guard is atrocious), but I’m not sure if that’s the character or Daisy Ridley’s acting. Ridley’s better in The Last Jedi and best in The Rise of Skywalker. Snoke looks cool. Some of the pseudo-fascist imagery is effective. Kylo Ren is a lousy villain, and Driver’s performance is just as bad (SHOUTING IS NOT ACTING—NO, NOT EVEN FOR PACINO!). Worst of all, though, it comes up with this stupid storyline in which the Empire came back and the good guys are a ragtag team who have to fight it—again. Why? Why not tell a new story in this world? Say—make the bad guys the ragtag fighters and show Leia, Luke, et al., dealing with the challenges of keeping a republic together despite those outside pro-Empire pressures? The Force Awakens has some good things about it, but none of those good things comes together for me. I think it’s a just plain bad movie. Give me the more personal, if imperfect, filmmaking of The Last Jedi or even the improved performances and sense of fun of Rise of Skywalker any day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2020 4:22:36 GMT 1
6) The Force Awakens You heard Star Wars was back. But you weren’t sure. Then someone else said it. Star Wars is back. You watched the trailer. It had Chewbacca in it! And Han Solo! Is Stars Wars back? You went all in. The prequels were ten years ago after all. You were ready to love again! You wore your best Darth Vader t shirt to the theater. You saw X Wings on the big screen again! And tie fighters! And storming stormtroopers! Look! They’re storming! That’s so cool! And... is that? It is! It’s Admiral Ackbar! Sweet Mother of Mon Mothra! Star Wars IS back! But then you noticed something. This wasn’t just familiar. It was too familiar! A desert planet. Where have I seen that before? Wait- Is that another Death Star?! No. No. It’s okay. That’s a Starkiller. Wait... what’s the difference. An X Wing trench run, That IS another Death Star! It’s almost like some soulless studio decided to manipulate you with all the old iconography. Is there anything new in this thing? The droid is a ball. That’s new. Kinda. R2 wasn’t a ball. Was he? No, he wasn’t. So... Star Wars is still back, right? Sure it is! At least these characters are charming and the dialogue is witty. So long wooden prequels! Star Wars is BACK! But... why do you care about these characters? Is this Rey person really that interesting? Why the hell is she so good at everything? You have to keep repeating it now, Star Wars is back. Star Wars is back. Star Wars is back. You go home and pretend you liked it. Everyone else did it seems. Days go by. Did you really like it? Watch it again. Not so thrilling. Not so fun. Not so... good. Not at all. Star Wars is back? Star Wars is dead. Goodbye Star Wars I’m not a fan of this one—at all, really. It’s the sequel I’ve probably seen bits and pieces of the most because it always seems to be on TV. Each time I sit down to watch any of it, though, I think it has some really solid ideas—making a stormtrooper the hero, coming up with a villain who worships Darth Vader, starting us off in the middle of some larger story with Max van Sydow—and makes nothing out of them. It just feels so corporate and focus-grouped and bland and, well, J.J. Abramsesque. Poor stormtrooper whose name I can’t remember—Finn! Yes, I looked that up. I like him, and he gets sidelined so quickly here. Gah. Harrison Ford gets nothing to do except die; to be fair, he probably wanted it that way. I can’t even really remember the third hero guy. They make it look like he dies but he doesn’t, right? I find Rey rather dull here (the scene where she tries to mind-control the guard is atrocious), but I’m not sure if that’s the character or Daisy Ridley’s acting. Ridley’s better in The Last Jedi and best in The Rise of Skywalker. Snoke looks cool. Some of the pseudo-fascist imagery is effective. Kylo Ren is a lousy villain, and Driver’s performance is just as bad (SHOUTING IS NOT ACTING—NO, NOT EVEN FOR PACINO!). Worst of all, though, it comes up with this stupid storyline in which the Empire came back and the good guys are a ragtag team who have to fight it—again. Why? Why not tell a new story in this world? Say—make the bad guys the ragtag fighters and show Leia, Luke, et al., dealing with the challenges of keeping a republic together despite those outside pro-Empire pressures? The Force Awakens has some good things about it, but none of those good things comes together for me. I think it’s a just plain bad movie. Give me the more personal, if imperfect, filmmaking of The Last Jedi or even the improved performances and sense of fun of Rise of Skywalker any day. Agreed. It was weird seeing everyone praise this thing when it came out. I do rank it higher than the other sequels though simply because I think there are moments of classic Star Wars in here. The escape through the starship graveyard is by far my favorite sequence in the Disney era because it actually has some genuine imagination in it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 20:44:49 GMT 1
5) Revenge of the Sith
If there is a theme or central thesis to these reviews it may be as follows: Post original trilogy Star Wars has always failed when it attempts to be something other than what Star Wars was originally intended to be. And with episode three that certainly holds true. While Rogue One failed in its attempt to be a gritty war movie, Revenge fails largely in its attempts to be an epic psuedo Shakespearean drama.
I can appreciate Lucas’ defense that the “old fashioned” delivery of the dialogue was intentional. But the characters in the original trilogy never circled the set delivering overly dramatic line readings like actors in a high school play. So why are they suddenly doing that here?
Still though, in retrospect it is certainly refreshing to see a Star Wars movie that plays it straight and contains none of the obnoxious winking at the audience that would infect the franchise years later. Palpatine is especially enjoyable in all his campy glory, cackling and chewing the scenery. And there are plenty of moments where the drama does hit its mark and provide glimmers of a truly epic Star Wars movie. The world building is still widely imaginative and the score is as good as ever.
Watching episode three makes it hard not to wonder why Lucas waited so long to get to the real story here. This isn’t so much part three as it is parts 1-3. You could easily make the case to throw out episodes 1-2 and just expand this script into three movies. As it is though Anakin’s turn is beyond rushed, which leaves almost every turn the character takes feeling forced and awkward.
Style over substance is another term that fits this movie quite well. In Return of the Jedi we only need the emotion of the script to make the final duel compelling. Here, we get lava waterfalls and all sorts of acrobatics over said lava, riding on droids, fighting atop giant collapsing girders and it’s all so unnecessary, barely enhancing the emotional component that the screenplay never fully earned.
In the end Episode Three remains throughly entertaining though. The dark moody atmosphere it maintains throughout is an achievement on its own. And as the last piece of the original Lucas movies it still retains some of the original magic, if only in its imaginative settings and designs.
ANAKIN YOU ARE BREAKING MY HEART!
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Dec 8, 2020 21:20:56 GMT 1
5) Revenge of the Sith If there is a theme or central thesis to these reviews it may be as follows: Post original trilogy Star Wars has always failed when it attempts to be something other than what Star Wars was originally intended to be. And with episode three that certainly holds true. While Rogue One failed in its attempt to be a gritty war movie, Revenge fails largely in its attempts to be an epic psuedo Shakespearean drama. I can appreciate Lucas’ defense that the “old fashioned” delivery of the dialogue was intentional. But the characters in the original trilogy never circled the set delivering overly dramatic line readings like actors in a high school play. So why are they suddenly doing that here? Still though, in retrospect it is certainly refreshing to see a Star Wars movie that plays it straight and contains none of the obnoxious winking at the audience that would infect the franchise years later. Palpatine is especially enjoyable in all his campy glory, cackling and chewing the scenery. And there are plenty of moments where the drama does hit its mark and provide glimmers of a truly epic Star Wars movie. The world building is still widely imaginative and the score is as good as ever. Watching episode three makes it hard not to wonder why Lucas waited so long to get to the real story here. This isn’t so much part three as it is parts 1-3. You could easily make the case to throw out episodes 1-2 and just expand this script into three movies. As it is though Anakin’s turn is beyond rushed, which leaves almost every turn the character takes feeling forced and awkward. Style over substance is another term that fits this movie quite well. In Return of the Jedi we only need the emotion of the script to make the final duel compelling. Here, we get lava waterfalls and all sorts of acrobatics over said lava, riding on droids, fighting atop giant collapsing girders and it’s all so unnecessary, barely enhancing the emotional component that the screenplay never fully earned. In the end Episode Three remains throughly entertaining though. The dark moody atmosphere it maintains throughout is an achievement on its own. And as the last piece of the original Lucas movies it still retains some of the original magic, if only in its imaginative settings and designs. ANAKIN YOU ARE BREAKING MY HEART! This one is as silly as all get-out, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t really enjoy it for exactly that reason. It’s overblown and ridiculous and (in my opinion) all a great deal of fun, especially with Ian McDiarmid camping it up to the nth degree. I agree with you that this script could have been expanded into three movies, as interesting as Phantom Menace’s world was, and that Anakin’s turn—wait, he wants to kill little kids now? And he thinks being evil will make his wife love him?—is rushed. Still, though, I just enjoyed it as “epic pseudo-Shakespearean drama” (great term).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2020 22:36:21 GMT 1
5) Revenge of the Sith If there is a theme or central thesis to these reviews it may be as follows: Post original trilogy Star Wars has always failed when it attempts to be something other than what Star Wars was originally intended to be. And with episode three that certainly holds true. While Rogue One failed in its attempt to be a gritty war movie, Revenge fails largely in its attempts to be an epic psuedo Shakespearean drama. I can appreciate Lucas’ defense that the “old fashioned” delivery of the dialogue was intentional. But the characters in the original trilogy never circled the set delivering overly dramatic line readings like actors in a high school play. So why are they suddenly doing that here? Still though, in retrospect it is certainly refreshing to see a Star Wars movie that plays it straight and contains none of the obnoxious winking at the audience that would infect the franchise years later. Palpatine is especially enjoyable in all his campy glory, cackling and chewing the scenery. And there are plenty of moments where the drama does hit its mark and provide glimmers of a truly epic Star Wars movie. The world building is still widely imaginative and the score is as good as ever. Watching episode three makes it hard not to wonder why Lucas waited so long to get to the real story here. This isn’t so much part three as it is parts 1-3. You could easily make the case to throw out episodes 1-2 and just expand this script into three movies. As it is though Anakin’s turn is beyond rushed, which leaves almost every turn the character takes feeling forced and awkward. Style over substance is another term that fits this movie quite well. In Return of the Jedi we only need the emotion of the script to make the final duel compelling. Here, we get lava waterfalls and all sorts of acrobatics over said lava, riding on droids, fighting atop giant collapsing girders and it’s all so unnecessary, barely enhancing the emotional component that the screenplay never fully earned. In the end Episode Three remains throughly entertaining though. The dark moody atmosphere it maintains throughout is an achievement on its own. And as the last piece of the original Lucas movies it still retains some of the original magic, if only in its imaginative settings and designs. ANAKIN YOU ARE BREAKING MY HEART! This one is as silly as all get-out, but I’d be lying if I said I didn’t really enjoy it for exactly that reason. It’s overblown and ridiculous and (in my opinion) all a great deal of fun, especially with Ian McDiarmid camping it up to the nth degree. I agree with you that this script could have been expanded into three movies, as interesting as Phantom Menace’s world was, and that Anakin’s turn—wait, he wants to kill little kids now? And he thinks being evil will make his wife love him?—is rushed. Still, though, I just enjoyed it as “epic pseudo-Shakespearean drama” (great term). I ended up going full circle over the years in my feelings towards this one. I was in high school when it came out and I really liked it then. My opinion soured over the years and then recently I came back to it and really enjoyed it again- perhaps in a different way than I originally did. I even get kind of a kick out of the “bad” parts. Some of the soapy moments are actually really fun. I still can’t help but imagine a trilogy that had the second movie end with Anakin giving in and joining Palpatine. It would’ve been a great mirror scene to when Luke jumps instead of joining Vader, and set up a third movie that was entirely about Anakin turning evil.
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Post by AQUA KEN! on Dec 8, 2020 23:15:40 GMT 1
5) Revenge of the Sith If there is a theme or central thesis to these reviews it may be as follows: Post original trilogy Star Wars has always failed when it attempts to be something other than what Star Wars was originally intended to be. And with episode three that certainly holds true. While Rogue One failed in its attempt to be a gritty war movie, Revenge fails largely in its attempts to be an epic psuedo Shakespearean drama. I can appreciate Lucas’ defense that the “old fashioned” delivery of the dialogue was intentional. But the characters in the original trilogy never circled the set delivering overly dramatic line readings like actors in a high school play. So why are they suddenly doing that here? Still though, in retrospect it is certainly refreshing to see a Star Wars movie that plays it straight and contains none of the obnoxious winking at the audience that would infect the franchise years later. Palpatine is especially enjoyable in all his campy glory, cackling and chewing the scenery. And there are plenty of moments where the drama does hit its mark and provide glimmers of a truly epic Star Wars movie. The world building is still widely imaginative and the score is as good as ever. Watching episode three makes it hard not to wonder why Lucas waited so long to get to the real story here. This isn’t so much part three as it is parts 1-3. You could easily make the case to throw out episodes 1-2 and just expand this script into three movies. As it is though Anakin’s turn is beyond rushed, which leaves almost every turn the character takes feeling forced and awkward. Style over substance is another term that fits this movie quite well. In Return of the Jedi we only need the emotion of the script to make the final duel compelling. Here, we get lava waterfalls and all sorts of acrobatics over said lava, riding on droids, fighting atop giant collapsing girders and it’s all so unnecessary, barely enhancing the emotional component that the screenplay never fully earned. In the end Episode Three remains throughly entertaining though. The dark moody atmosphere it maintains throughout is an achievement on its own. And as the last piece of the original Lucas movies it still retains some of the original magic, if only in its imaginative settings and designs. ANAKIN YOU ARE BREAKING MY HEART! Honestly I'd probably put this in my top 5 Star Wars movies. That Darth Plagueis the wise scene is great.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 1:07:53 GMT 1
5) Revenge of the Sith If there is a theme or central thesis to these reviews it may be as follows: Post original trilogy Star Wars has always failed when it attempts to be something other than what Star Wars was originally intended to be. And with episode three that certainly holds true. While Rogue One failed in its attempt to be a gritty war movie, Revenge fails largely in its attempts to be an epic psuedo Shakespearean drama. I can appreciate Lucas’ defense that the “old fashioned” delivery of the dialogue was intentional. But the characters in the original trilogy never circled the set delivering overly dramatic line readings like actors in a high school play. So why are they suddenly doing that here? Still though, in retrospect it is certainly refreshing to see a Star Wars movie that plays it straight and contains none of the obnoxious winking at the audience that would infect the franchise years later. Palpatine is especially enjoyable in all his campy glory, cackling and chewing the scenery. And there are plenty of moments where the drama does hit its mark and provide glimmers of a truly epic Star Wars movie. The world building is still widely imaginative and the score is as good as ever. Watching episode three makes it hard not to wonder why Lucas waited so long to get to the real story here. This isn’t so much part three as it is parts 1-3. You could easily make the case to throw out episodes 1-2 and just expand this script into three movies. As it is though Anakin’s turn is beyond rushed, which leaves almost every turn the character takes feeling forced and awkward. Style over substance is another term that fits this movie quite well. In Return of the Jedi we only need the emotion of the script to make the final duel compelling. Here, we get lava waterfalls and all sorts of acrobatics over said lava, riding on droids, fighting atop giant collapsing girders and it’s all so unnecessary, barely enhancing the emotional component that the screenplay never fully earned. In the end Episode Three remains throughly entertaining though. The dark moody atmosphere it maintains throughout is an achievement on its own. And as the last piece of the original Lucas movies it still retains some of the original magic, if only in its imaginative settings and designs. ANAKIN YOU ARE BREAKING MY HEART! Honestly I'd probably put this in my top 5 Star Wars movies. That Darth Plagueis the wise scene is great. It’s in my top five!
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Post by Lord Ackbar on Dec 9, 2020 21:53:58 GMT 1
I’m not one of those Star Wars is dead types, love TLJ and Rogue One, am enjoying Mandalorian (though the increasing lack of Dengar is testing my patience) but I’ve never seen Solo nor have any desire to 🤷♂️
Least favourite is definitely AOTC, would jump up a few spots if there was more Dexter Jettster
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 9, 2020 22:46:08 GMT 1
The only one of the prequels I sort of 'like' (but that's only because compared to the other two, it's not as bad).
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Post by Grandmaster on Dec 9, 2020 22:55:07 GMT 1
The only one of the prequels I sort of 'like' (but that's only because compared to the other two, it's not as bad). So Revenge of the Sith is the Wonder Woman of the prequels? People kinda like it because the rest of the franchise/trilogy is so terrible?
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 9, 2020 23:03:01 GMT 1
The only one of the prequels I sort of 'like' (but that's only because compared to the other two, it's not as bad). So Revenge of the Sith is the Wonder Woman of the prequels? People kinda like it because the rest of the franchise/trilogy is so terrible? Not everyone thinks that way. Some people (like myself) enjoy Wonder Woman because of its own merits and think it's a genuinely really good comic book movie. And yes, I do think it's (easily) the best one out of all the DCEU films so far.
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Post by Grandmaster on Dec 9, 2020 23:11:45 GMT 1
So Revenge of the Sith is the Wonder Woman of the prequels? People kinda like it because the rest of the franchise/trilogy is so terrible? Not everyone thinks that way. Some people (like myself) enjoy Wonder Woman because of its own merits and think it's a genuinely really good comic book movie. And yes, I do think it's (easily) the best one out of all the DCEU films so far. Thats fair. It is actually how I think about Wonder Woman vs the DCEU and Revenge of the Sith vs the Prequels. The third one of the prequels is tolerable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2020 23:24:09 GMT 1
Not everyone thinks that way. Some people (like myself) enjoy Wonder Woman because of its own merits and think it's a genuinely really good comic book movie. And yes, I do think it's (easily) the best one out of all the DCEU films so far. Thats fair. It is actually how I think about Wonder Woman vs the DCEU and Revenge of the Sith vs the Prequels. The third one of the prequels is tolerable. Well, for me there’s still one prequel higher as you’ll soon see. But I don’t really even think of WW in the context of the DCEU. I think of Jenkin’s WW and then Snyder’s Dark DC Darkness quite separately.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 0:30:27 GMT 1
4) The Phantom Menace
There is no denying this film's problems. Characters that are one dimensional at best, downright obnoxious at worst. Dialogue that is wooden at best, cringey at worst. And a script so meandering that it doesn't even have a clear protagonist. Yet, there is something special here too, something that Star Wars has been missing ever since. Though this movie contains the worst of George Lucas it also, undeniably contains some of the best of George Lucas. Indeed, Episode One contains the final dose of the Lucas magic, the last glimmer of that original inmagination that made Star Wars such an awe inspiring spectacle.
The world building here is stellar. From the planet and ship designs to the set pieces to the costumes and make up. The special effects were and still are a wonder to behold, both practical and computer generated. The sound design alone is magnificent. Certainly these are, in the end, superficial things to praise, because without a solid script they are not enough to hold a movie together. They are however still worth praising, because pure wonder inducing fantasy is hard to come by. And few filmmakers have ever reached the heights of the Lucas/Spielberg era blockbuster.
If The Force Awakens were a treasure chest it would be empty, save for a few crumpled old dollar bills. If Phantom Menace were a treasure chest, it would contain no small amount of steaming horse shit. But buried within, there are diamonds. And my god those diamonds are beautiful. Precious glimmering gems that are all too rare on this earth. And they are worth admiring. Just remember to wash your hands after.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 11, 2020 2:12:15 GMT 1
4) The Phantom Menace Yet, there is something special here too, something that Star Wars has been missing ever since. Though this movie contains the worst of George Lucas it also, undeniably contains some of the best of George Lucas. Indeed, Episode One contains the final dose of the Lucas magic, the last glimmer of that original inmagination that made Star Wars such an awe inspiring spectacle. The world building here is stellar. From the planet and ship designs to the set pieces to the costumes and make up. The special effects were and still are a wonder to behold, both practical and computer generated. The sound design alone is magnificent. Certainly these are, in the end, superficial things to praise, because without a solid script they are not enough to hold a movie together. They are however still worth praising, because pure wonder inducing fantasy is hard to come by. And few filmmakers have ever reached the heights of the Lucas/Spielberg era blockbuster. If The Force Awakens were a treasure chest it would be empty, save for a few crumpled old dollar bills. If Phantom Menace were a treasure chest, it would contain no small amount of steaming horse shit. But buried within, there are diamonds. And my god those diamonds are beautiful. Precious glimmering gems that are all too rare on this earth. And they are worth admiring. Just remember to wash your hands after.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 2:42:13 GMT 1
4) The Phantom Menace Yet, there is something special here too, something that Star Wars has been missing ever since. Though this movie contains the worst of George Lucas it also, undeniably contains some of the best of George Lucas. Indeed, Episode One contains the final dose of the Lucas magic, the last glimmer of that original inmagination that made Star Wars such an awe inspiring spectacle. The world building here is stellar. From the planet and ship designs to the set pieces to the costumes and make up. The special effects were and still are a wonder to behold, both practical and computer generated. The sound design alone is magnificent. Certainly these are, in the end, superficial things to praise, because without a solid script they are not enough to hold a movie together. They are however still worth praising, because pure wonder inducing fantasy is hard to come by. And few filmmakers have ever reached the heights of the Lucas/Spielberg era blockbuster. If The Force Awakens were a treasure chest it would be empty, save for a few crumpled old dollar bills. If Phantom Menace were a treasure chest, it would contain no small amount of steaming horse shit. But buried within, there are diamonds. And my god those diamonds are beautiful. Precious glimmering gems that are all too rare on this earth. And they are worth admiring. Just remember to wash your hands after.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 11, 2020 2:55:37 GMT 1
Okay, you found one thing I did like in TPM - Queen Amidala's look.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Dec 11, 2020 4:48:42 GMT 1
4) The Phantom Menace There is no denying this film's problems. Characters that are one dimensional at best, downright obnoxious at worst. Dialogue that is wooden at best, cringey at worst. And a script so meandering that it doesn't even have a clear protagonist. Yet, there is something special here too, something that Star Wars has been missing ever since. Though this movie contains the worst of George Lucas it also, undeniably contains some of the best of George Lucas. Indeed, Episode One contains the final dose of the Lucas magic, the last glimmer of that original inmagination that made Star Wars such an awe inspiring spectacle. The world building here is stellar. From the planet and ship designs to the set pieces to the costumes and make up. The special effects were and still are a wonder to behold, both practical and computer generated. The sound design alone is magnificent. Certainly these are, in the end, superficial things to praise, because without a solid script they are not enough to hold a movie together. They are however still worth praising, because pure wonder inducing fantasy is hard to come by. And few filmmakers have ever reached the heights of the Lucas/Spielberg era blockbuster. If The Force Awakens were a treasure chest it would be empty, save for a few crumpled old dollar bills. If Phantom Menace were a treasure chest, it would contain no small amount of steaming horse shit. But buried within, there are diamonds. And my god those diamonds are beautiful. Precious glimmering gems that are all too rare on this earth. And they are worth admiring. Just remember to wash your hands after. Someone should have told Lucas that this story was not the right place to begin. Someone—not a Spielberg-type auteur, but a nice, solid, amenable journeyman—should have agreed to Lucas’ offer to direct. Someone should have gone over the script with a fine-toothed comb (cue Spaceballs reference). And yet, yeah, you’re right about some kind of magic in this one. This one just looks so good—and that’s no small feat, especially as the next one looks terrible. The world is full of possibilities and wonder. Something about the film seems so in love with living, with all that life has to offer. Lucas is inspired by dozens of cultures and traditions here, all adding up to a celebration of humanity in all its splendid differences. And it’s ultimately sweet and fun, just like the original film—an old-fashioned serial, but with an enormous budget. It’s hard to judge this movie, in the end, and for me the third prequel edges it out just a bit. But this has joy and wonder to it, and those are the qualities I found appealing about this series to begin with (just two or so years ago, wow!).
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 11, 2020 17:54:20 GMT 1
"The Phantom Menace" is excellent except for the kid's acting.
BTW, this "Characters that are one dimensional at best, downright obnoxious at worst. Dialogue that is wooden at best, cringey at worst." Applies very much to "A New Hope" as well and that movie is really excellent.
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Post by Grandmaster on Dec 11, 2020 18:32:28 GMT 1
"The Phantom Menace" is excellent except for the kid's acting. BTW, this "Characters that are one dimensional at best, downright obnoxious at worst. Dialogue that is wooden at best, cringey at worst." Applies very much to "A New Hope" as well and that movie is really excellent. Well I kind of have to agree with maximura that individually speaking most Star Wars movies arent that great. He was a bit more adament but he does have a point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 21:35:28 GMT 1
I summon detour to this thread!
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Post by detour on Dec 11, 2020 21:43:31 GMT 1
I summon detour to this thread!
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Post by detour on Dec 11, 2020 21:44:47 GMT 1
Okay here goes. Starting with the last place. 11) Solo Getting right to my main issue with this movie: it shouldn’t even exist. It has no right to exist. And it’s very existence is offensive! Why? Because Han Solo is not from a series of novels or comic books, destined to be adapted again and again. Multiple Bonds? Yes. Ten actors playing Batman? Sure, why not. But Han Solo is Harrison Ford. He should never be played by another actor. And that’s not just because of the iconic status of Ford’s portrayal, but because there is no credible excuse for rebooting an original iconic movie character. It’s gratuitous at best, sacrilegious at worst. Who asked for this thing? Certainly not me. This.
'Nuff said.
But, seriously, WTF???
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