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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Nov 28, 2020 4:09:41 GMT 1
9) Attack of the Clones Wooden dialogue, one dimensional characters, over reliance on CGI, bad characterization... the common complaints about the prequels. It’s all here and then some! Episode two however, also lacks all of the positives aspects of the other two entires. The special effects -stellar in episodes one and three - are incredibly mediocre here. While Phantom Menace still looks gorgeous, Clones has aged horribly. It’s the first Star Wars movie shot digitally, and it shows. The movie looks like a bad cartoon. The story is so inconsequential here that you could literally skip this movie and not miss a beat. Obi Wan’s big mystery subplot of who ordered the clone army is not only dull, it’s entirely unneeded. The choice to make episode one into what is basically a prologue adventure was an odd one, but episode two still feels like a prequel to the prequel events. Two whole movies before the actual Clone War begins? Then there’s Anakin. One moment of meaningful character development takes places when his mother dies. The rest is dedicated to a love story. On its own, that’s a strange choice as most adventure movies wisely allow the romance to organically develop in the course of the adventure. Empire Strikes Back followed that formula to perfection. But in Clones it is the primary focus of the movie. And of course it doesn’t help that it happens to be the most awkward, unintentionally hilarious and downright creepy “love” story in movie history! Many fans such as myself have reevaluated the prequels and found that there is a lot to like. But not here. Episode Two remains as terrible as it always has been. I HATE SAND I…actually can’t remember much about this one. In fact, I’m reading my old “Salzmark Watches…” thread and still can’t remember much. I see that I liked the design of the worlds—and hated the lighting. Heh. Oh well, I can’t comment much, apologies. I do remember really liking the third prequel, though.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Nov 28, 2020 6:10:26 GMT 1
Well, it has minimal Jar Jar Binks and no kid Anakin in it, so that automatically puts this film above Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2020 6:51:01 GMT 1
Grandmaster it’s time for you to weigh in on Episode 2!
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 28, 2020 8:09:31 GMT 1
Grandmaster it’s time for you to weigh in on Episode 2! Attack of the Clowns. I have never seen an actor breaking down after a rage mass murder in such a wooden fake way as I did Hayden Christensen in that movie. And dont get me started on his seduction talk at the edge of the lake. Portman says it best when she is saying he is making her uncomfortable. THATS HOW I FELT. THE WHOLE FREAKING TIME. And I might add... I didnt use freaking. Since I dont care so much about esthetics its up to the story to save this movie. Well there isnt much story. At least nothing interesting. Its how does the creepy boy seduce an older woman while the one who is supposed to guide him is off on a subplot which has the same depth and importance and the Canto Bight bit in (The only thing I dont like about) The Last Jedi. Its a terrible movie from start to finish and it destroyed the greatness of the Star Wars franchise forever. And that, I cannot forgive nor forget.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 28, 2020 21:48:44 GMT 1
Attack of the Clones is great. Terrific action scenes good continuation of Anakin's story and I love the Obi Wan cloner story and the arena scene. What is your least favorite Star Wars movie? That's hard to answer. All of the movies are very good to great. The least great ones are Phantom Menace, Return of the Jedi, and The Last Jedi.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 6:11:06 GMT 1
8) The Last Jedi
Perhaps the most polarizing movie in the Star Wars canon. The division usually seems to center on the portrayal of Luke, but although I am personally not too fond of what they did with the character I have to cede the point because the fact is he is far and away the most interesting part of the movie. Mark Hammil gives a fantastic performance and despite the controversial characterization I admit I find his scenes intriguing. And his moments with R2 and 3PO are downright heartwarming.
To find the movie’s true flaws one must look elsewhere. Canto Bight. Even among The Last Jedi’s strongest admirers you will not find a single soul that likes this subplot. It’s downright pointless. Then there’s the Resistance subplot where for some reason the entire organization now fits aboard one ship. But does Leia get the spotlight? No, she’s quickly sidelined. Does Poe get his much needed character development? Barely. Does our hero Ackbar get the much deserved heroic death? Nope. All of these things are given to Holdo, a character who wasn’t even in the first movie.
Then there’s Rey and her story is- well, essentially nonexistent. Her big revelation involves the reveal that her parents were nobodies. But this is only important as a subversion of the audience’s expectations. We expected an “I am your father” twist so they gave us the opposite. But why does this matter to Rey? Never at any point did she herself have any hopes that Luke was her father. Never did she place any significance in the bloodline of her ancestors. She has no reason to care, so ultimately neither do we. And her big climactic moment of the film? Lifting rocks. Another meta joke reference to the classic movies that rings hollow when logic is applied.
The Last Jedi’s big claim is that it is just so bold and original that the fanboys couldn’t handle the boldness of it. But is this actually true? Or does this movie rip off the originals almost as much as the previous movie? The structure of Empire was clearly the template with a little Return of the Jedi mixed in for good measure: we have our hero training with a Jedi master, the ally characters running from the villains in space, and a big battle with ATATs on a white surfaced planet, and a Sith Lord that saves the hero by killing the emperor as he tortures her. Bold and original? Hardly.
IT WASN’T THE PLANES. IT WAS RIAN KILLED THE ACK!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 8:09:25 GMT 1
Grandmaster it’s time for you to weigh in on Episode 2! Attack of the Clowns. I have never seen an actor breaking down after a rage mass murder in such a wooden fake way as I did Hayden Christensen in that movie. And dont get me started on his seduction talk at the edge of the lake. Portman says it best when she is saying he is making her uncomfortable. THATS HOW I FELT. THE WHOLE FREAKING TIME. And I might add... I didnt use freaking. Since I dont care so much about esthetics its up to the story to save this movie. Well there isnt much story. At least nothing interesting. Its how does the creepy boy seduce an older woman while the one who is supposed to guide him is off on a subplot which has the same depth and importance and the Canto Bight bit in (The only thing I dont like about) The Last Jedi. Its a terrible movie from start to finish and it destroyed the greatness of the Star Wars franchise forever. And that, I cannot forgive nor forget. Time for a rewatch. I used to watch it quite a lot considering it was one of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah just wooden acting from Anakin's actor and some bad dialogue This is pretty funny Here's a case supporting Anakin's actor
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Nov 29, 2020 15:41:52 GMT 1
8) The Last Jedi Perhaps the most polarizing movie in the Star Wars canon. The division usually seems to center on the portrayal of Luke, but although I am personally not too fond of what they did with the character I have to cede the point because the fact is he is far and away the most interesting part of the movie. Mark Hammil gives a fantastic performance and despite the controversial characterization I admit I find his scenes intriguing. And his moments with R2 and 3PO are downright heartwarming. To find the movie’s true flaws one must look elsewhere. Canto Bight. Even among The Last Jedi’s strongest admirers you will not find a single soul that likes this subplot. It’s downright pointless. Then there’s the Resistance subplot where for some reason the entire organization now fits aboard one ship. But does Leia get the spotlight? No, she’s quickly sidelined. Does Poe get his much needed character development? Barely. Does our hero Ackbar get the much deserved heroic death? Nope. All of these things are given to Holdo, a character who wasn’t even in the first movie. Then there’s Rey and her story is- well, essentially nonexistent. Her big revelation involves the reveal that her parents were nobodies. But this is only important as a subversion of the audience’s expectations. We expected an “I am your father” twist so they gave us the opposite. But why does this matter to Rey? Never at any point did she herself have any hopes that Luke was her father. Never did she place any significance in the bloodline of her ancestors. She has no reason to care, so ultimately neither do we. And her big climactic moment of the film? Lifting rocks. Another meta joke reference to the classic movies that rings hollow when logic is applied. The Last Jedi’s big claim is that it is just so bold and original that the fanboys couldn’t handle the boldness of it. But is this actually true? Or does this movie rip off the originals almost as much as the previous movie? The structure of Empire was clearly the template with a little Return of the Jedi mixed in for good measure: we have our hero training with a Jedi master, the ally characters running from the villains in space, and a big battle with ATATs on a white surfaced planet, and a Sith Lord that saves the hero by killing the emperor as he tortures her. Bold and original? Hardly. IT WASN’T THE PLANES. IT WAS RIAN KILLED THE ACK! As fair-minded as ever about the most polarizing entry in the series, my friend! There’s a lot wrong with The Last Jedi’s script, which is strange because so many parts are excellently and tightly written. I agree with you on Luke and Hamill—and I admit I’ve warmed up to the characterization here—and I find it interesting and insightful that Rian Johnson provided more emotional, human, heartwarming moments here than in both of J.J. Abrams’ series entries. (I find little emotion in anything Abrams has done; to me he’s a consistently uninteresting filmmaker.) So why is the script so flabby? As you say, the casino subplot is pointless—and, worse than pointless, it feels shoehorned in there, for some reason unbeknownst to the audience. Poor what’s-his-name, the stormtrooper guy, gets to do precious little. Maybe the point of the casino is to give him something to do?—but then rework the script, Johnson! Laura Dern’s purple-haired matron is an inexplicable character. And of course Ackbar! I don’t want just to praise Johnson for the good parts and criticize him for the bad ones, especially as I’m not a huge fan of his films other than Knives Out, but some of the bad scenes seem very unlike him. The Brothers Bloom may suggest it has more up its sleeve than it really does, but those suggestions are parts of a controlled script. All the seemingly irrelevant scenes in Brick and Knives Out are actually detective-story clues to twist endings. I haven’t read much about production on The Last Jedi, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn much of the flabbiness was the studio’s doing. That doesn’t help the movie’s quality, but it’s interesting—and disappointing. That said, I am fine with Rey’s parents being “nobodies.” As you say, Rey never hoped Luke was her father, but I think she did hope she played a part in some larger cosmic meaning. Or am I misremembering? Either way, we find out she’s not: there is no grander cosmic meaning. There are only people, who have to develop meaning for themselves. This is existentialism at the most superficial level, sure, but I have to give Johnson et al. credit for providing even superficial existentialism in a summer blockbuster. Empire Strikes Back (which remains the best script—and best movie—in the series, I think) definitely is the template, yes. I think moving the killing of the emperor to the middle entry was a genuine shock—at least, I was surprised by it. It certainly does come from the originals, but just by moving it we’ve redefined our whole story. And I have to say it looks good. The scene of Rey in the cave really is a beauty. After Abrams’ visual blandness, it’s a revelation. All in all, The Last Jedi has some of the best and some of the worst things about any Star Wars movie. I ultimately see it favorably, I think, because of just how personal much of it seems in contrast to Abrams’ careful impersonality. I just wish the bad scenes weren’t this bad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 20:20:48 GMT 1
8) The Last Jedi Perhaps the most polarizing movie in the Star Wars canon. The division usually seems to center on the portrayal of Luke, but although I am personally not too fond of what they did with the character I have to cede the point because the fact is he is far and away the most interesting part of the movie. Mark Hammil gives a fantastic performance and despite the controversial characterization I admit I find his scenes intriguing. And his moments with R2 and 3PO are downright heartwarming. To find the movie’s true flaws one must look elsewhere. Canto Bight. Even among The Last Jedi’s strongest admirers you will not find a single soul that likes this subplot. It’s downright pointless. Then there’s the Resistance subplot where for some reason the entire organization now fits aboard one ship. But does Leia get the spotlight? No, she’s quickly sidelined. Does Poe get his much needed character development? Barely. Does our hero Ackbar get the much deserved heroic death? Nope. All of these things are given to Holdo, a character who wasn’t even in the first movie. Then there’s Rey and her story is- well, essentially nonexistent. Her big revelation involves the reveal that her parents were nobodies. But this is only important as a subversion of the audience’s expectations. We expected an “I am your father” twist so they gave us the opposite. But why does this matter to Rey? Never at any point did she herself have any hopes that Luke was her father. Never did she place any significance in the bloodline of her ancestors. She has no reason to care, so ultimately neither do we. And her big climactic moment of the film? Lifting rocks. Another meta joke reference to the classic movies that rings hollow when logic is applied. The Last Jedi’s big claim is that it is just so bold and original that the fanboys couldn’t handle the boldness of it. But is this actually true? Or does this movie rip off the originals almost as much as the previous movie? The structure of Empire was clearly the template with a little Return of the Jedi mixed in for good measure: we have our hero training with a Jedi master, the ally characters running from the villains in space, and a big battle with ATATs on a white surfaced planet, and a Sith Lord that saves the hero by killing the emperor as he tortures her. Bold and original? Hardly. IT WASN’T THE PLANES. IT WAS RIAN KILLED THE ACK! As fair-minded as ever about the most polarizing entry in the series, my friend! There’s a lot wrong with The Last Jedi’s script, which is strange because so many parts are excellently and tightly written. I agree with you on Luke and Hamill—and I admit I’ve warmed up to the characterization here—and I find it interesting and insightful that Rian Johnson provided more emotional, human, heartwarming moments here than in both of J.J. Abrams’ series entries. (I find little emotion in anything Abrams has done; to me he’s a consistently uninteresting filmmaker.) So why is the script so flabby? As you say, the casino subplot is pointless—and, worse than pointless, it feels shoehorned in there, for some reason unbeknownst to the audience. Poor what’s-his-name, the stormtrooper guy, gets to do precious little. Maybe the point of the casino is to give him something to do?—but then rework the script, Johnson! Laura Dern’s purple-haired matron is an inexplicable character. And of course Ackbar! I don’t want just to praise Johnson for the good parts and criticize him for the bad ones, especially as I’m not a huge fan of his films other than Knives Out, but some of the bad scenes seem very unlike him. The Brothers Bloom may suggest it has more up its sleeve than it really does, but those suggestions are parts of a controlled script. All the seemingly irrelevant scenes in Brick and Knives Out are actually detective-story clues to twist endings. I haven’t read much about production on The Last Jedi, but I wouldn’t be surprised to learn much of the flabbiness was the studio’s doing. That doesn’t help the movie’s quality, but it’s interesting—and disappointing. That said, I am fine with Rey’s parents being “nobodies.” As you say, Rey never hoped Luke was her father, but I think she did hope she played a part in some larger cosmic meaning. Or am I misremembering? Either way, we find out she’s not: there is no grander cosmic meaning. There are only people, who have to develop meaning for themselves. This is existentialism at the most superficial level, sure, but I have to give Johnson et al. credit for providing even superficial existentialism in a summer blockbuster. Empire Strikes Back (which remains the best script—and best movie—in the series, I think) definitely is the template, yes. I think moving the killing of the emperor to the middle entry was a genuine shock—at least, I was surprised by it. It certainly does come from the originals, but just by moving it we’ve redefined our whole story. And I have to say it looks good. The scene of Rey in the cave really is a beauty. After Abrams’ visual blandness, it’s a revelation. All in all, The Last Jedi has some of the best and some of the worst things about any Star Wars movie. I ultimately see it favorably, I think, because of just how personal much of it seems in contrast to Abrams’ careful impersonality. I just wish the bad scenes weren’t this bad. Excellent points, Salz. I have yet to see any of Rian’s other films. (Knives Out is high on my list). But I tend to think you are probably correct about the studio making some of the bad decisions here. I imagine Rian was given a huge checklist of things to do and he had to work around them. If I’m being completely fair I should admit that I have really only seen the movie once in its entirety. Then some bits and pieces when it aired on cable. To give it a truly fair critique I should rewatch it all the way through. But I just don’t see an upside as I already know the series falls apart completely in Rise of Skywalker. In regards to the killing of Snoke being in this movie I do agree that, at the time, it seemed interesting to push it into movie two because it raised the question of What Now? But then, of course, JJ just did the same damn thing again with Palps! Did Rian have something more interesting in mind? We will never know.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 20:25:04 GMT 1
Oh man, I really wanted to walk out of the theater after that scene. It absolutely killed any optimism I had going in. Poe: “Hey Hux, is your refrigerator running? Well then you better go catch it!” Hux: “Who is this?” Poe: “Yo mama!”
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Nov 29, 2020 22:37:26 GMT 1
I hated Broom Boy (as well as his friends) and the fact the movie ended on him when it should've ended one scene earlier with the Millennium Falcon flying off.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Nov 29, 2020 23:37:18 GMT 1
Excellent points, Salz. I have yet to see any of Rian’s other films. (Knives Out is high on my list). But I tend to think you are probably correct about the studio making some of the bad decisions here. I imagine Rian was given a huge checklist of things to do and he had to work around them. If I’m being completely fair I should admit that I have really only seen the movie once in its entirety. Then some bits and pieces when it aired on cable. To give it a truly fair critique I should rewatch it all the way through. But I just don’t see an upside as I already know the series falls apart completely in Rise of Skywalker. In regards to the killing of Snoke being in this movie I do agree that, at the time, it seemed interesting to push it into movie two because it raised the question of What Now? But then, of course, JJ just did the same damn thing again with Palps! Did Rian have something more interesting in mind? We will never know. Thanks! I mean, I don’t want to make excuses for Johnson when he almost definitely wrote the opening “comic relief” scene and at least came up with Purple Lady and the casino. On the whole, though, I do find his style and storytelling better and more intriguing than anything Abrams did, Solo, or even (I know you like this one, sorry) Rogue One. Yes, Rise of Skywalker ruins everything Johnson set up, and we’ll never know what if anything Johnson had in mind. (Who on earth came up with the idea of giving a trilogy to three—ultimately two—different filmmakers? Kennedy?) As a series entry and a film, that one deserves the criticisms thrown at Last Jedi. And do watch Knives Out! It’s brilliant.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Nov 29, 2020 23:39:04 GMT 1
STAR WARS: EPISODE 10: BROOM BOY SWEEPS THE STABLE! STAR WARS: EPISODE 11: BROOM BOY SWEEPS THE STABLE AGAIN! STAR WARS: EPISODE 12: BROOM BOY RETURNS TO SWEEPS THE STABLE! STAR WARS: EPISODE 13: BROOM BOY RETURNS TO SWEEPS THE STABLE AGAIN! STAR WARS: EPISODE 14: BROOM BOY TRIES ON HIS SECRET DECODER RING! STAR WARS: EPISODE 15: BROOM BOY TRIES ON HIS SECRET DECODER RING AGAIN! STAR WARS: EPISODE 16: BROOM BOY STEPS IN HORSE SHIT! STAR WARS: EPISODE 17: BROOM BOY STEPS IN HORSE SHIT AGAIN!
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Nov 30, 2020 0:26:08 GMT 1
Random thought: How is it young Boba Fett picks up his father's decapitated head and it doesn't slide right out of its helmet? It must've been a really tight fit.
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Post by maximura on Nov 30, 2020 0:28:40 GMT 1
Random thought: How is it young Boba Fett picks up his father's decapitated head and it doesn't slide right out of its helmet? It must've been a really tight fit. chin strap
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Nov 30, 2020 1:05:02 GMT 1
Random thought: How is it young Boba Fett picks up his father's decapitated head and it doesn't slide right out of its helmet? It must've been a really tight fit. chin strap I didn't know Madalorian helmets had chin straps (I always just figured they place their helmets over their heads with no form of securing them). Anyway, if they do indeed have chin straps, then that explains it. Thanks for answering this question I'd always had since first watching the movie.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Nov 30, 2020 1:16:00 GMT 1
I didn't know Madalorian helmets had chin straps (I always just figured they place their helmets over their heads with no form of securing them). Anyway, if they do indeed have chin straps, then that explains it. Thanks for answering this question I'd always had since first watching the movie. I hate to interrupt, but I think he was joking, if you slow the scene down, you can actually see the shadow of the head falling out.
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Post by maximura on Nov 30, 2020 1:20:13 GMT 1
I didn't know Madalorian helmets had chin straps (I always just figured they place their helmets over their heads with no form of securing them). Anyway, if they do indeed have chin straps, then that explains it. Thanks for answering this question I'd always had since first watching the movie. Honestly, I expect the real decision was based on not wanting the rating attached to showing a kid watching his dad's head fall out of a bucket bleeding at his feet. I often justify minor issues with an unknown solution so as not to get hung up on something that could have an assortment of answers. Inflatable helmet guard secures it to the head, a chin strap, a magnetic collar that cinches when a head is inside of it. The armor was from a warrior culture, so I'm quite certain they found a way of securing their helmets for safety given their flight combat training.
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Post by maximura on Nov 30, 2020 1:23:01 GMT 1
I didn't know Madalorian helmets had chin straps (I always just figured they place their helmets over their heads with no form of securing them). Anyway, if they do indeed have chin straps, then that explains it. Thanks for answering this question I'd always had since first watching the movie. I hate to interrupt, but I think he was joking, if you slow the scene down, you can actually see the shadow of the head falling out. Did it really? I had initially wondered as well. I'm still convinced they have a seal of some type, though I've never researched the armor specs, which I'm sure exist. I'll have an answer soon.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Nov 30, 2020 1:24:49 GMT 1
I hate to interrupt, but I think he was joking, if you slow the scene down, you can actually see the shadow of the head falling out. Did it really? I had initially wondered as well. I'm still convinced they have a seal of some type, though I've never researched the armor specs, which I'm sure exist. I'll have an answer soon.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Nov 30, 2020 1:27:12 GMT 1
I didn't know Madalorian helmets had chin straps (I always just figured they place their helmets over their heads with no form of securing them). Anyway, if they do indeed have chin straps, then that explains it. Thanks for answering this question I'd always had since first watching the movie. I hate to interrupt, but I think he was joking, if you slow the scene down, you can actually see the shadow of the head falling out. You're right! I never realised this. Well, I guess you learn something new every day. I didn't know Madalorian helmets had chin straps (I always just figured they place their helmets over their heads with no form of securing them). Anyway, if they do indeed have chin straps, then that explains it. Thanks for answering this question I'd always had since first watching the movie. Honestly, I expect the real decision was based on not wanting the rating attached to showing a kid watching his dad's head fall out of a bucket bleeding at his feet. I often justify minor issues with an unknown solution so as not to get hung up on something that could have an assortment of answers. Inflatable helmet guard secures it to the head, a chin strap, a magnetic collar that cinches when a head is inside of it. The armor was from a warrior culture, so I'm quite certain they found a way of securing their helmets for safety given their flight combat training. Yeah, I totally knew the reason for not showing the disembodied head was because of the rating, but I always wondered what in 'in-movie' explanation for it was. Now I know.
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Post by maximura on Nov 30, 2020 1:30:31 GMT 1
That's awesome. I had never noticed that. Thanks. I haven't found a specific attachment method but will continue to look out of curiosity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 3:16:49 GMT 1
Excellent points, Salz. I have yet to see any of Rian’s other films. (Knives Out is high on my list). But I tend to think you are probably correct about the studio making some of the bad decisions here. I imagine Rian was given a huge checklist of things to do and he had to work around them. If I’m being completely fair I should admit that I have really only seen the movie once in its entirety. Then some bits and pieces when it aired on cable. To give it a truly fair critique I should rewatch it all the way through. But I just don’t see an upside as I already know the series falls apart completely in Rise of Skywalker. In regards to the killing of Snoke being in this movie I do agree that, at the time, it seemed interesting to push it into movie two because it raised the question of What Now? But then, of course, JJ just did the same damn thing again with Palps! Did Rian have something more interesting in mind? We will never know. Thanks! I mean, I don’t want to make excuses for Johnson when he almost definitely wrote the opening “comic relief” scene and at least came up with Purple Lady and the casino. On the whole, though, I do find his style and storytelling better and more intriguing than anything Abrams did, Solo, or even (I know you like this one, sorry) Rogue One. Yes, Rise of Skywalker ruins everything Johnson set up, and we’ll never know what if anything Johnson had in mind. (Who on earth came up with the idea of giving a trilogy to three—ultimately two—different filmmakers? Kennedy?) As a series entry and a film, that one deserves the criticisms thrown at Last Jedi. And do watch Knives Out! It’s brilliant. I actually don’t like Rogue One. But you’ll find that out soon with the next review.
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Nov 30, 2020 15:32:48 GMT 1
I actually don’t like Rogue One. But you’ll find that out soon with the next review. Heh, oops! Not sure why I thought that…
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 2:29:48 GMT 1
7) Rogue One
Often cited as the fan favorite amongst the Disney Star Wars era, there is indeed a lot to like about this anthology movie. There’s finally some imagination in the planet designs with a gorgeous beach world and a significantly less bland desert world. The climax contains sone magnificent action in space. And who can say no to Admiral Raddus and his beautiful blue mon cal crew.
When you ask fans what their favorite scenes are they will undoubtedly point you to the Vader scenes. And they are certainly fantastic. What fan wouldn’t enjoy seeing Darth Vader in his lava world castle spouting glorious quips like “Be careful not to choke on your ambition”. And no, that is not sarcasm. That scene is pure joy. And that quip is pure gold. I watched it five times in a row during my first viewing. But isn’t it more than a bit troublesome that the best scene in the movie is yet another manipulation of nostalgia? A scene that features a classic character who isn’t even important to the plot?
I have yet to hear any sound defense of the new characters in the the movie. They are flat, forgettable one dimensional cliches. The protagonist is moderately interesting, but still ultimately quite forgettable. It makes you wonder why this story even needed to be told. Is it really the heroic tragedy of sacrifice that it poses as? Does it actually fit into the existing story in a meaningful way? To answer those questions you must ask how much you really cared about anything that happened in it. For me the answer is a resounding Not Much.
Then there’s the completely misguided notion that Star Wars can be adapted to fit sub genres like “Star Wars the War Movie”, complete with gritty action and Saving Private Ryan style shaky cam. But the fallacy there is that Star Wars is fundamentally defined, not solely by its iconography or even it’s mythology, but largely by the classic fantasy action serial genre that it once so fully embraced. There are no gritty war movie Star Wars movies. And to attempt such a project only demonstrates a severe misunderstanding of what this series is.
In the end though, I think this movie reveals its true intent when it “revives” long dead actor Peter Cushing to play a video game version of Moff Tarkin. Not only is this visually distracting, it is downright tasteless in its blatant manipulation of the fan base, and serves as the perfect allegory of Disney Star Wars: When you can’t be original, you might as well resurrect the dead. Sometimes literally.
BONUS POINTS FOR ADMIRAL RADDUS!
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Dec 3, 2020 3:52:24 GMT 1
7) Rogue One Often cited as the fan favorite amongst the Disney Star Wars era, there is indeed a lot to like about this anthology movie. There’s finally some imagination in the planet designs with a gorgeous beach world and a significantly less bland desert world. The climax contains sone magnificent action in space. And who can say no to Admiral Raddus and his beautiful blue mon cal crew. When you ask fans what their favorite scenes are they will undoubtedly point you to the Vader scenes. And they are certainly fantastic. What fan wouldn’t enjoy seeing Darth Vader in his lava world castle spouting glorious quips like “Be careful not to choke on your ambition”. And no, that is not sarcasm. That scene is pure joy. And that quip is pure gold. I watched it five times in a row during my first viewing. But isn’t it more than a bit troublesome that the best scene in the movie is yet another manipulation of nostalgia? A scene that features a classic character who isn’t even important to the plot? I have yet to hear any sound defense of the new characters in the the movie. They are flat, forgettable one dimensional cliches. The protagonist is moderately interesting, but still ultimately quite forgettable. It makes you wonder why this story even needed to be told. Is it really the heroic tragedy of sacrifice that it poses as? Does it actually fit into the existing story in a meaningful way? To answer those questions you must ask how much you really cared about anything that happened in it. For me the answer is a resounding Not Much. Then there’s the completely misguided notion that Star Wars can be adapted to fit sub genres like “Star Wars the War Movie”, complete with gritty action and Saving Private Ryan style shaky cam. But the fallacy there is that Star Wars is fundamentally defined, not solely by its iconography or even it’s mythology, but largely by the classic fantasy action serial genre that it once so fully embraced. There are no gritty war movie Star Wars movies. And to attempt such a project only demonstrates a severe misunderstanding of what this series is. In the end though, I think this movie reveals its true intent when it “revives” long dead actor Peter Cushing to play a video game version of Moff Tarkin. Not only is this visually distracting, it is downright tasteless in its blatant manipulation of the fan base, and serves as the perfect allegory of Disney Star Wars: When you can’t be original, you might as well resurrect the dead. Sometimes literally. BONUS POINTS FOR ADMIRAL RADDUS! Little for me to say, except—agreed with all. The Vader scenes are excellent (and I say that as someone with no particular personal nostalgia for this series!), the Cushing scenes feel morally wrong. The new characters are forgettable—and, sadly but truly, irrelevant. (As you say, why does this story need to be told?) The shaky cam war movie vibe is irritating. The best scenes of this movie are very good, but the movie as a whole just doesn’t work.
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Post by AQUA JAR!™ on Dec 3, 2020 4:27:36 GMT 1
Aside from any ( perfectly valid ) moral reasoning, one can dismiss the Tarkin abomination for two simpler reasons:
1) It looks like shit
and
2) It sounds nothing like him
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Post by AQUA SALZ! on Dec 3, 2020 5:03:32 GMT 1
Aside from any ( perfectly valid ) moral reasoning, one can dismiss the Tarkin abomination for two simpler reasons: 1) It looks like shit and 2) It sounds nothing like him Yup! They couldn’t have even got a St. Pete soundalike?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2020 5:53:01 GMT 1
Aside from any ( perfectly valid ) moral reasoning, one can dismiss the Tarkin abomination for two simpler reasons: 1) It looks like shit and 2) It sounds nothing like him I couldn’t believe how bad it looked! I was stunned by its crappiness! Same with that ridiculous CGI Leia at the end!
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