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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 18:37:53 GMT 1
Sorry @raimiackbar I did some editing on this post
Lets discuss The Marvels here.
[countdown:The Marvels=November 9 2022 9:00 AM+1]See The Marvels in theaters now![/countdown]
Thoughts? Expectations?
I'd like to see a cosmic movie, one with a heavy sci fi influence. Not necessarily a planet hopping adventure, but perhaps one set entirely on the new Skrull homeworld and the Kree home world. I'd stay off of Earth as much as possible.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 18:42:28 GMT 1
Well, the rumored director Michelle Maclaren has a long resume of impressive fantasy and Sci-Fi shows of a darker atmosphere (X-Files, Game of Thrones, Walking Dead), so if this is true, I expect CM2 to be a lot darker than its predecessor.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 19:10:25 GMT 1
Well, the rumored director Michelle Maclaren has a long resume of impressive fantasy and Sci-Fi shows of a darker atmosphere (X-Files, Game of Thrones, Walking Dead), so if this is true, I expect CM2 to be a lot darker than its predecessor. Nice. I'll have to look up her filmography.
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Post by Grandmaster on May 12, 2020 19:10:49 GMT 1
I hope Brie Larson will even advocate her politics louder. Just to piss of the dude bros.
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Post by Indiana Jones on May 12, 2020 19:45:47 GMT 1
I'd prefer that. Perhaps introduce Richard Rider?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 20:31:17 GMT 1
Well, the rumored director Michelle Maclaren has a long resume of impressive fantasy and Sci-Fi shows of a darker atmosphere (X-Files, Game of Thrones, Walking Dead), so if this is true, I expect CM2 to be a lot darker than its predecessor. Nice. I'll have to look up her filmography. I'm wondering if they're not going to intentionally mirror what they did with Chris Evans's Captain America with her. They both had origin films that were just straightforward fun little adventures with an angle of tragedy and both the protagonists ending out time displaced whether it be by abduction or being frozen in the North Pole. If they do follow the same basic template as Cap's trilogy, then I expect Captain Marvel 2 to be much heavier and darker.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 21:19:51 GMT 1
I hope Brie Larson will even advocate her politics louder. Just to piss of the dude bros. I hate this new-age political crap. Lilith has now been asking for more souls and a bigger domain for her demons
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 21:20:59 GMT 1
Well, if the rumours are true, we could see Rogue in action
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 21:31:57 GMT 1
Nice. I'll have to look up her filmography. I'm wondering if they're not going to intentionally mirror what they did with Chris Evans's Captain America with her. They both had origin films that were just straightforward fun little adventures with an angle of tragedy and both the protagonists ending out time displaced whether it be by abduction or being frozen in the North Pole. If they do follow the same basic template as Cap's trilogy, then I expect Captain Marvel 2 to be much heavier and darker. This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Could be a really good way to approach her trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2020 22:33:08 GMT 1
I'm wondering if they're not going to intentionally mirror what they did with Chris Evans's Captain America with her. They both had origin films that were just straightforward fun little adventures with an angle of tragedy and both the protagonists ending out time displaced whether it be by abduction or being frozen in the North Pole. If they do follow the same basic template as Cap's trilogy, then I expect Captain Marvel 2 to be much heavier and darker. This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Could be a really good way to approach her trilogy. In this case, the Rogue rumor is a lot more likely, because it doesn't get any worse for Carol Danvers than when she was robbed of her power by Rogue. Though I imagine they'll have to regenerate her powers somehow by the end of the film in order for there to be more Carol adventures.
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Post by Lord Death Man on May 13, 2020 3:48:21 GMT 1
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DEFEND THE WAY. DESTROY ALL HOSTILE ORGANISMS. ANNIHILATE ALL THAT IS UN-KREE.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on May 13, 2020 7:31:20 GMT 1
Well, if the rumours are true, we could see Rogue in action I would love to see a live action version of Rogue which does the character from the comics (and X-Men: The Animated Series) justice. It'll all come down to who they cast, as far as I'm concerned. I'm just wondering how they're going to have Rogue take Carol's powers and not make her look like the 'bad guy'.
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Post by Grandmaster on May 13, 2020 8:18:08 GMT 1
(PROTO-RESPONSE)// PLEX EMERGENCY BACK-UP// UNPACK// INSTALL// BIO DEFENSIVE// INSTALL// PLEX INFANTS// DOMINANT// EMERGENCY SEARCH AND RECALL// KREE ANCESTRAL ARCHIVE// (MEMORY OPEN)// PROCESS BY TYPE// KREE DOCTORS// KREE CHEMISTS// KREE POLICEMAN// KREE POETS// KREE LAWYERS// KREE BOTANISTS// KREE MURDERERS//
STOP// PLEX EMERGENCY INSTALL SELECT// INSTALL// PLEX MURDERERS// DOMINANT//
DEFEND THE WAY. DESTROY ALL HOSTILE ORGANISMS. ANNIHILATE ALL THAT IS UN-KREE. For the good of all Kree.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2020 10:33:18 GMT 1
(PROTO-RESPONSE)// PLEX EMERGENCY BACK-UP// UNPACK// INSTALL// BIO DEFENSIVE// INSTALL// PLEX INFANTS// DOMINANT// EMERGENCY SEARCH AND RECALL// KREE ANCESTRAL ARCHIVE// (MEMORY OPEN)// PROCESS BY TYPE// KREE DOCTORS// KREE CHEMISTS// KREE POLICEMAN// KREE POETS// KREE LAWYERS// KREE BOTANISTS// KREE MURDERERS//
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DEFEND THE WAY. DESTROY ALL HOSTILE ORGANISMS. ANNIHILATE ALL THAT IS UN-KREE. Phew...I think Skynet malfunctioned when it became self-aware
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Post by Grandmaster on May 13, 2020 10:35:21 GMT 1
Its the rise of the undead. Wouldnt surprise me in 2020. Its that kind of year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 19:48:21 GMT 1
Why isn’t this thread pinned? You are all sexists!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 19:55:04 GMT 1
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. Could be a really good way to approach her trilogy. In this case, the Rogue rumor is a lot more likely, because it doesn't get any worse for Carol Danvers than when she was robbed of her power by Rogue. Though I imagine they'll have to regenerate her powers somehow by the end of the film in order for there to be more Carol adventures. The whole “hero loses powers” is a staple of the superhero sequel. People complain about its overuse, but I say if it ain’t broke.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 15, 2020 21:18:10 GMT 1
Again I find that the fans are going down a shallow rabbit hole.
The confrontation between the then Ms. Marvel and Rogue is epic and tragic. But not necessarily because of what happened to Carol. Its effects on Rogue is where this chapter in Marvel history becomes interesting for me. Carol was sidelined as a superhero character after her run-in with Rogue. For the most part, we saw her from time to time in a hospital bed, either comatose or amnesiac.
Rogue's assault reduced Carol to the emotional capacity of a child. And even though she was the victor, Rogue herself suffered massive psychological damage that would forever change her character. Rogue believed she was Carol Danvers for a time, and in a very memorable episode, she made a heartbreaking attempt at living out Carol's life.
The Rogue versus Captain Marvel story is just as much Rogue's as it is Captain Marvel's - maybe even more so. I would hate to see Rogue's defining story arc reduced to a footnote in Captain Marvel's movie trilogy.
The battle between the two is very much a battle between the establishment superheroes of the day (e.g., the Avengers, Fantastic Four, etc.) and the new wave of counterculture heroes (e.g., X-Men, New Mutants, etc.). Rogue hated everything Carol stood for; she was a beautiful, honey-haired supermodel who respected within the superhero community and by the public. Rogue was hated and feared for what she was and couldn't understand why. Her sadism and anger lead her to attack Carol viciously.
Ironically, upon gaining Carol's emotions and thoughts, Rogue also gained the self-awareness and empathy needed to process her own anger and pain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 22:05:33 GMT 1
In this case, the Rogue rumor is a lot more likely, because it doesn't get any worse for Carol Danvers than when she was robbed of her power by Rogue. Though I imagine they'll have to regenerate her powers somehow by the end of the film in order for there to be more Carol adventures. The whole “hero loses powers” is a staple of the superhero sequel. People complain about its overuse, but I say if it ain’t broke. My complaint is that I don't want her haters to get what they want after they continually harassed me for 13 months.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 22:11:44 GMT 1
Again I find that the fans are going down a shallow rabbit hole. The confrontation between the then Ms. Marvel and Rogue is epic and tragic. But not necessarily because of what happened to Carol. Its effects on Rogue is where this chapter in Marvel history becomes interesting for me. Carol was sidelined as a superhero character after her run-in with Rogue. For the most part, we saw her from time to time in a hospital bed, either comatose or amnesiac. Rogue's assault reduced Carol to the emotional capacity of a child. And even though she was the victor, Rogue herself suffered massive psychological damage that would forever change her character. Rogue believed she was Carol Danvers for a time, and in a very memorable episode, she made a heartbreaking attempt at living out Carol's life. The Rogue versus Captain Marvel story is just as much Rogue's story if not Captain Marvel's - maybe even more so. I would hate to see Rogue's defining arc reduced to a footnote in Captain Marvel's trilogy. The Battle between the two is very much a battle between the establishment superheroes of the day and the new wave of counterculture heroes. Rogue hated everything Carol stood for; she was a beautiful, honey-haired superhero respected within the superhero community and by the public. Rogue was hated and feared for what she was and couldn't understand why. Her sadism and anger lead her to attack Carol viciously. Ironically, upon gaining Carol's emotions and thoughts, Rogue gained the self-awareness and empathy needed to process her own anger and pain. And this is why I know Marvel is going to give Carol's exactly what they want, and then take great pleasure in deconstructing it by showing them that everything special about Rogue came from Carol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 22:50:47 GMT 1
Again I find that the fans are going down a shallow rabbit hole. The confrontation between the then Ms. Marvel and Rogue is epic and tragic. But not necessarily because of what happened to Carol. Its effects on Rogue is where this chapter in Marvel history becomes interesting for me. Carol was sidelined as a superhero character after her run-in with Rogue. For the most part, we saw her from time to time in a hospital bed, either comatose or amnesiac. Rogue's assault reduced Carol to the emotional capacity of a child. And even though she was the victor, Rogue herself suffered massive psychological damage that would forever change her character. Rogue believed she was Carol Danvers for a time, and in a very memorable episode, she made a heartbreaking attempt at living out Carol's life. The Rogue versus Captain Marvel story is just as much Rogue's story if not Captain Marvel's - maybe even more so. I would hate to see Rogue's defining arc reduced to a footnote in Captain Marvel's trilogy. The Battle between the two is very much a battle between the establishment superheroes of the day and the new wave of counterculture heroes. Rogue hated everything Carol stood for; she was a beautiful, honey-haired superhero respected within the superhero community and by the public. Rogue was hated and feared for what she was and couldn't understand why. Her sadism and anger lead her to attack Carol viciously. Ironically, upon gaining Carol's emotions and thoughts, Rogue gained the self-awareness and empathy needed to process her own anger and pain. And this is why I know Marvel is going to give Carol's exactly what they want, and then take great pleasure in deconstructing it by showing them that everything special about Rogue came from Carol. Well on a superficial level yeah. Really depends upon how the mcu tackles the Rogue-Carol connection. Not sure that we will get a thorough enough exploration of that though
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2020 23:20:30 GMT 1
The whole “hero loses powers” is a staple of the superhero sequel. People complain about its overuse, but I say if it ain’t broke. My complaint is that I don't want her haters to get what they want after they continually harassed me for 13 months. I told you to stay off of Tweeter!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 0:33:01 GMT 1
My complaint is that I don't want her haters to get what they want after they continually harassed me for 13 months. I told you to stay off of Tweeter! This wasn't twitter. It came from all corners in the internet and even into my emails because these maniacs tracked that downs omehow.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 0:33:26 GMT 1
And this is why I know Marvel is going to give Carol's exactly what they want, and then take great pleasure in deconstructing it by showing them that everything special about Rogue came from Carol. Well on a superficial level yeah. Really depends upon how the mcu tackles the Rogue-Carol connection. Not sure that we will get a thorough enough exploration of that though Well, that's because it's simple. Everything special about Rogue came from Carol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 1:38:21 GMT 1
I told you to stay off of Tweeter! This wasn't twitter. It came from all corners in the internet and even into my emails because these maniacs tracked that downs omehow. You are a man with many enemies.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 1:39:01 GMT 1
Well on a superficial level yeah. Really depends upon how the mcu tackles the Rogue-Carol connection. Not sure that we will get a thorough enough exploration of that though Well, that's because it's simple. Everything special about Rogue came from Carol. I thought you were a big Rogue fan though? You mentioned her often in your criticism of the X Men movies.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 16, 2020 1:56:07 GMT 1
Again I find that the fans are going down a shallow rabbit hole. The confrontation between the then Ms. Marvel and Rogue is epic and tragic. But not necessarily because of what happened to Carol. Its effects on Rogue is where this chapter in Marvel history becomes interesting for me. Carol was sidelined as a superhero character after her run-in with Rogue. For the most part, we saw her from time to time in a hospital bed, either comatose or amnesiac. Rogue's assault reduced Carol to the emotional capacity of a child. And even though she was the victor, Rogue herself suffered massive psychological damage that would forever change her character. Rogue believed she was Carol Danvers for a time, and in a very memorable episode, she made a heartbreaking attempt at living out Carol's life. The Rogue versus Captain Marvel story is just as much Rogue's story if not Captain Marvel's - maybe even more so. I would hate to see Rogue's defining arc reduced to a footnote in Captain Marvel's trilogy. The Battle between the two is very much a battle between the establishment superheroes of the day and the new wave of counterculture heroes. Rogue hated everything Carol stood for; she was a beautiful, honey-haired superhero respected within the superhero community and by the public. Rogue was hated and feared for what she was and couldn't understand why. Her sadism and anger lead her to attack Carol viciously. Ironically, upon gaining Carol's emotions and thoughts, Rogue gained the self-awareness and empathy needed to process her own anger and pain. And this is why I know Marvel is going to give Carol's exactly what they want, and then take great pleasure in deconstructing it by showing them that everything special about Rogue came from Carol. I don't think the fans should be forced to choose one over the other. Rogue's storyline that occurred immediately after their fight is some of the most profoundly satisfying and tragic storytelling you'll find in X-Men history. It was only later that Carol's side of that battle was really told and understood. At one point, I think Rogue attempted to make amends, but Carol rejected her overtures and treated her as if she were subhuman. Powerful stuff to mine there... I hope Marvel gets it right. You're certainly not wrong in saying that everything that made Rogue into a three-dimensional character came from Carol. Before Carol, Rogue was a psychopathic sadist who reveled in causing chaos and hurting people at the behest of her "mother."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 5:48:50 GMT 1
Well, that's because it's simple. Everything special about Rogue came from Carol. I thought you were a big Rogue fan though? You mentioned her often in your criticism of the X Men movies. I am. I'm just very, very bitter about the whole Captain Marvel thing. The fact so many of these dudebros are crying for Rogue to come along and take Carol's power really puts a wet blanket on any enthusiasm I might have had for seeing the rise of Rogue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 5:52:08 GMT 1
And this is why I know Marvel is going to give Carol's exactly what they want, and then take great pleasure in deconstructing it by showing them that everything special about Rogue came from Carol. I don't think the fans should be forced to choose one over the other. Rogue's storyline that occurred immediately after their fight is some of the most profoundly satisfying and tragic storytelling you'll find in X-Men history. It was only later that Carol's side of that battle was really told and understood. At one point, I think Rogue attempted to make amends, but Carol rejected her overtures and treated her as if she were subhuman. Powerful stuff to mine there... I hope Marvel gets it right. You're certainly not wrong in saying that everything that made Rogue into a three-dimensional character came from Carol. Before Carol, Rogue was a psychopathic sadist who reveled in causing chaos and hurting people at the behest of her "mother." Unfortunately, there is a straight up culture war waging around Captain Marvel. I think the line in the sand has already been drawn.
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Post by Grandmaster on Nov 16, 2020 6:21:16 GMT 1
I thought you were a big Rogue fan though? You mentioned her often in your criticism of the X Men movies. I am. I'm just very, very bitter about the whole Captain Marvel thing. The fact so many of these dudebros are crying for Rogue to come along and take Carol's power really puts a wet blanket on any enthusiasm I might have had for seeing the rise of Rogue. For them alone they should make Rogue a transwoman played by the wokiest actress on the planet. Alyssa Milano comes to mind. So those idiots get what they wished for and wished they didnt.
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